POST #566: Random Observations
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1. That Jolly Time of Year
I was just kidding. In fact, I've had it up-to-here with the entire Christmas racket. Isn't it strange and ironic how our very economic survival depends upon us supplying the entire planet with weapons of mass destruction and making a mockery of the birthday of the Prince of Peace every December? I have consigned myself to permanent Scroogedom. That's okay. My life experiences have made me what I am. I suppose I was a curmudgeon waiting to happen. It's been a long time since I've been able to get into the "Christmas Spirit". Barring a miracle, this year won't be any different. Bah, freakin' humbug.
One thing is certain, though: this Christmas - or any other Christmas I may live to see - won't be one/tenth as sad and mournful as last year. That's the only silver lining I'm able to conjure up at the moment.
Happy Christmas, everybody.
2. Oh, and Speaking of Scrooge....
The halfwits who now comprise "the party of Abraham Lincoln" have only become more vehement recently in their opposition to the food stamps program. Someone went so far as to proclaim that the whole idea was positively un-American. Their favorite talking point these days is that it kills the initiative of the "underclasses" to get back to work. The problem with the poor, or so their argument goes, is that they're seriously lacking in moral fiber.
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
The other night on MSNBC's Now with Alex Wagner, there was a gut-wrenching story about a county in Kentucky with a median income level of under $23,000 per person per year. Nearly one/half of the population depends on food stamps to keep a roof over their heads and their children fed. Sadly, because the right wing's priorities are more sympathetic to the needs of a class of people who have more money than they know what to do with, the poverty-stricken all across the land are seeing what little benefits they receive slashed away by these heartless bastards and bitches. Most of the politicians doing the slashing are self-identified "Christians". Isn't that something?
My very-real sympathy for the people of Kentucky (a state from which my ancestors came) is tempered by the fact that most of them were probably foolish enough to vote for Mitch McConnell. I'm sorry to sound so cruel but the ones who did so deserve everything that is happening to them.
3. Stupidest Quote of the Week:
"The words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours."
Rick Santorum
My suggestion would be that we savor Mr. Rick while he's here. The silly jackass won't be around forever to amuse us. Appreciate him while you can. He's priceless. Absolutely priceless.
4. Bush v Castro
George W. Bush's slightly brighter younger brother has been stomping about the country making interesting statements regarding foreign policy. If you doubt he's going to make a run for it in 2016 you ought to take a second look. In order to establish his image as a tough guy on international relations, Jeb this week reaffirmed his anti-Cuba credentials. Under his administration there will be no recognition of that country.
We all need to sit down and take a deep breath, folks. When John F. Kennedy signed the Cuban embargo into law on February 3, 1962, Our current president was one day shy of six months old. Think about that for a minute. After nearly fifty-three years it's safe to conclude that the embargo has done neither the United States nor Cuba a damned bit of good. In the long history of despotic tyrants, Fidel Castro is pretty low-rent if you ask me. Saddam Hussein he ain't.
Please bear in mind that we had diplomatic relations with the Butcher of Baghdad for decades. To the best of my knowledge neither one of the Castro brothers ever hit an entire village of innocent people with poison gas. And when it comes to human rights, Cuba is a whole lot freer than Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan (two long-time - and current - allies of ours). You don't believe that? Where would you rather your sister live? Argument over.
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Happy Christmas, everybody.
2. Oh, and Speaking of Scrooge....
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"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
The other night on MSNBC's Now with Alex Wagner, there was a gut-wrenching story about a county in Kentucky with a median income level of under $23,000 per person per year. Nearly one/half of the population depends on food stamps to keep a roof over their heads and their children fed. Sadly, because the right wing's priorities are more sympathetic to the needs of a class of people who have more money than they know what to do with, the poverty-stricken all across the land are seeing what little benefits they receive slashed away by these heartless bastards and bitches. Most of the politicians doing the slashing are self-identified "Christians". Isn't that something?
My very-real sympathy for the people of Kentucky (a state from which my ancestors came) is tempered by the fact that most of them were probably foolish enough to vote for Mitch McConnell. I'm sorry to sound so cruel but the ones who did so deserve everything that is happening to them.
3. Stupidest Quote of the Week:
"The words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours."
Rick Santorum
My suggestion would be that we savor Mr. Rick while he's here. The silly jackass won't be around forever to amuse us. Appreciate him while you can. He's priceless. Absolutely priceless.
4. Bush v Castro
George W. Bush's slightly brighter younger brother has been stomping about the country making interesting statements regarding foreign policy. If you doubt he's going to make a run for it in 2016 you ought to take a second look. In order to establish his image as a tough guy on international relations, Jeb this week reaffirmed his anti-Cuba credentials. Under his administration there will be no recognition of that country.We all need to sit down and take a deep breath, folks. When John F. Kennedy signed the Cuban embargo into law on February 3, 1962, Our current president was one day shy of six months old. Think about that for a minute. After nearly fifty-three years it's safe to conclude that the embargo has done neither the United States nor Cuba a damned bit of good. In the long history of despotic tyrants, Fidel Castro is pretty low-rent if you ask me. Saddam Hussein he ain't.
Please bear in mind that we had diplomatic relations with the Butcher of Baghdad for decades. To the best of my knowledge neither one of the Castro brothers ever hit an entire village of innocent people with poison gas. And when it comes to human rights, Cuba is a whole lot freer than Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan (two long-time - and current - allies of ours). You don't believe that? Where would you rather your sister live? Argument over.
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As for Brother Jeb: Is this country going to be stupid enough to send another member of that disgusting family to the White House? Jeez, I hope so. I would never have writer's block again.
5. I Got Them Michael Brown Blues
Tourism Note: Avoid Ferguson, Missouri. The police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown says he has no trouble sleeping at night and that his conscience is clear. I thought this was an incredible thing to say. If I had killed a fifteen-year-old kid, regardless of the circumstances, it would bother me just a wee bit; but I guess that's just another example of my warped constitution. If Michael's body had been found in an ally - six bullets pumped into him - the investigating officers would have deemed it as a classic case of "overkill". Surely one shot (or two at the most) would have sent the kid a healthy message. Why was it necessary to shoot him six times? Isn't it a scream to watch all of those highly paid, white commentators on Fox Noise condemning the rioters in Ferguson?
At best Officer Wilson should have been charged with manslaughter. Instead he's flying free as a birdie. Can you blame me if I'm not in the holiday spirit? Seriously
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
AFTERTHOUGHT:
The photograph at the top of this diatribe was taken last summer with two of my oldest friends on this troubled earth. Forty years ago last month, on November 3, 1974, Kevin Swanwick, Jeannie Farley and I attended our first rock concert together at Radio City Music Hall. It was a David Bowie show.
We were the young Americans.
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SUGGESTED VIEWING:
Bing Crosby: Rediscovered
Last evening PBS's American Masters series aired this well-researched, two-hour documentary about the life and career of the most influential (and successful) singer of the twentieth century. Bing Crosby changed everything. And yet today, thirty-seven years after his passing, my generation, now in our mid-fifties, remembers him merely as the nice old man who came into our living rooms every December to serenade our families with White Christmas. Der Bingle was so much more than that. Artie Shaw once described him as "the first hip white guy in history". Agreed; but that doesn't even come close to explaining the magic that was Bing. Here's a link to order it off of amazon.com:
Bing Crosby: Rediscovered
He is a historical figure and deserves to be recognized as such. He was also one of the best comic actors who ever lived. Did I mention that? Bing Crosby is in danger of being forgotten. That shouldn't be the case.
SUGGESTED LISTENING:
My Baby Said Yes
by Bing Crosby with Louis Jordan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4QCm6NeNs
Bing back in the summer of 1944 when he was the first King of All Media! Music like this makes me truly happy!
5. I Got Them Michael Brown Blues
At best Officer Wilson should have been charged with manslaughter. Instead he's flying free as a birdie. Can you blame me if I'm not in the holiday spirit? Seriously
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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| With the lovely Miss Farley, 1974 ` |
The photograph at the top of this diatribe was taken last summer with two of my oldest friends on this troubled earth. Forty years ago last month, on November 3, 1974, Kevin Swanwick, Jeannie Farley and I attended our first rock concert together at Radio City Music Hall. It was a David Bowie show.
We were the young Americans.
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SUGGESTED VIEWING:Bing Crosby: Rediscovered
Last evening PBS's American Masters series aired this well-researched, two-hour documentary about the life and career of the most influential (and successful) singer of the twentieth century. Bing Crosby changed everything. And yet today, thirty-seven years after his passing, my generation, now in our mid-fifties, remembers him merely as the nice old man who came into our living rooms every December to serenade our families with White Christmas. Der Bingle was so much more than that. Artie Shaw once described him as "the first hip white guy in history". Agreed; but that doesn't even come close to explaining the magic that was Bing. Here's a link to order it off of amazon.com:
Bing Crosby: Rediscovered
He is a historical figure and deserves to be recognized as such. He was also one of the best comic actors who ever lived. Did I mention that? Bing Crosby is in danger of being forgotten. That shouldn't be the case.
SUGGESTED LISTENING:
My Baby Said Yes
by Bing Crosby with Louis Jordan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4QCm6NeNs
Bing back in the summer of 1944 when he was the first King of All Media! Music like this makes me truly happy!
posted by Tom Degan @ 10:05 AM
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83 Comments:
My random observation: Texas just stayed the execution of Scott Panetti to explore the issue of putting the mentally ill to death. My advice to Texas is that they should treat the mentally ill, not run them for higher political office.
Was Michael Brown wearing that outfit when he robbed the convenience store and assaulted the owner?
Anonymous #1 to Anonymous #2: It doesn't matter. The murderous cop had no knowledge that Michael Brown was a suspect. I want to thank you. I will now post with a distinct handle so there can be no confusion as to identity.
"If I had killed a fifteen-year-old kid".
Maybe you would if the "kid" was really 18 years old, close to 300 lbs, 6'4" tall, was trying to take your gun from you, and had slugged you in the face.
Get your facts right before you start to condemn the police or for that matter, anyone!
This is a link to a chart which outlines the lies told by PBS vs the actual testimony given to the grand jury. A little research on your part, outside your normal liberal sources might be helpful in the future.
theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/pbs-lie-chart.png
Anonymous #1 -
First, that is inaccurate.
Second, my point was the fact that Tom often engages in yellow journalism. Posting an exceptional photo in graduation garb is aimed at portraying an air of decency and legitimacy not in keeping with who the person was. There are far more photos that wouldn't paint such a nice picture. Why choose the one he did? Because he engages in yellow journalism.
If I had to take ANY human life for ANY reason, it would bother me.
And the ONLY people who said that Brown attacked the cop were the cop and other city employees.
The EYEWITNESSES told a different story, but as usual, the EYEWITNESSES were disregarded.
And again, as usual, the victim is conveniently too dead to tell his side of the story.
I also love how somone who clearly gets all his info from right wingblogs and Fox news can accuse someone else of "yellow journalism".
Did you figure out who your congressmen are yet Anonymous?
Chuck Shumer:
“After passing the stimulus, Democrats should have continued to propose middle-class-oriented programs and build on the partial success of the stimulus,” Schumer said. “Unfortunately, Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them. We took their mandate and put all our focus on the wrong problem. … It wasn’t the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for the end to the recession, higher wages and more jobs, and not changes in health care.”
Tom,
Your last rant was "Bill Cosby: Finished".
Now that many Democrats are now crapping on our young President and after the 2014 mid-term Tsunami, maybe your next rant should be "Democrat Party: Finished?"
I wish liberals had not jumped on the Michael Brown shooting as an example of police overreach. From what i can tell, there are plenty of instances that are better examples. In this one, I have felt that the police officer did what he had to do if he wanted to go home that night.
First of all Brown was a man, not a boy. At 18, you can join the military, vote and are regarded as an adult. He was a big man, as was the cop. But Brown had already overstepped with the robbery and manhandling of the clerk. Maybe he knew he'd be charged with something that could send him to prison. Maybe he was on something that made him not care; but nobody, white or black can reach inside a patrol car and try to grab the gun and expect it to be ignored (DNA evidence said he did that not just the word of the cop). Brown then maybe ran off as much as 35 feet (where there were blood stains on the road) and then turned when the officer yelled at him. Instead of going on the ground, which is what cops tell someone to do, and this one claimed he had said, he came toward him. There are witnesses, not city employees (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/01/witness-10-proves-darren-wilson-had-a-reasonable-belief-he-needed-to-shoot/) who said he was running toward the cop.
When that happens, the cop is trained to start shooting until the person falls. Stopping short of that is going to end up with you dead. That's also basic commonsense. It took a lot to stop Brown.
There are plenty of cases of police overreach but this does not strike me as one. Ferguson might have a bunch of cops who have been abusing their power. But when people try to turn Brown into a hero, they are ignoring the events of the day, some on video tape. I wish the country would look at the overall picture and not be caught up in this one story. From what I can tell, there are a lot of questions that deserve answers.
Yes..there are many questions needing answers...All the more reason Darren Wilson should have been indicted...No one is turning Michael Brown into a hero..and no one said he
was a choir boy..but he didn't deserve to
die...and just because Darren Wilson says he
had no other choice, doesn't make it true..
proof he grabbed for the gun..the same gun thst should have been immedistely taken as
evidence..Instead, Wilson himself put it in a
plastic bag and turned it in..hours after the
shooting..What about testimony from two
white workers who saw MB's hands go up in
surrender.?..and why did Wilson first say he
stopped him and his friend for jaywalking..and
only mentioned the robbery three months
later..Much of what you have cited as the
events of the day have been disputed by
forensic experts..I was not there..and neither were you..There have been many conflicting stories.This is why Darren Wilson should have bed tried, and evidence from both sides should have been presented..Rain Tf
"If I had to take ANY human life for ANY reason, it would bother me."
Unless it was a human in it's mothers womb.
Still waiting for you to support your claim that,
"wealth is "redistributed" from the middle class to the uber rich"
Bon,
I guess the blood splatters on the clothing of the cop where planted there as well? You know the ones that came from Mike Brown when he was trying to take the cops gun and the gun when off in the car and grazed Mikes thumb?
Rain is right on this one.
The forensic evidence in the Michael brown shooting case trumped the uncredible witness's who had another agenda which was lying about the incident. He did not raise his hands and say don't shoot. There is so much disinformation presented here it's amazing. First , Michael brown was not 15 years old, that lie was never in any news report so that was pulled out of the tail of this left wing blogger.liberals are nothing but liars and deceivers. You also do not put anyone on trial just because of public outrage. That would be ridiculou. and if you do think you should be you don't belive in the rule of law.
Also you could say the problems in the Kentucky town you mention are the result of your messiah Barack Hussein Obama for doing his best, and it's working, at eliminating the coal industry in that town and forcing those people on the government dole to begin with. Those people have not lived in that down since it was in existence only making that low wage. And that average wage is now mathematically calculated by what is happening in that town now. Just think there would not be all those people on food stamps in the first place of the Obozo regime had not taken their lively hood away.funny how the liberal don't want you to know about that part.
Mozart 1220 is lying like a good liberal does. There were several eyewitnesses , black eyewitness that collaborated the police officers report. Also of course like I said before the forensic evidence, in other words science, trumped the lies of the so called eyewitnesses that did not match the science that was found.
You see that's the way investigations work, you have to put the evidence against what witnesses say. Because you are always going to find a witness who has another agenda , science has no agenda. Several of the witness recanted their stories also.
And of course you always find a uncredible liberal liar who has to whine about Fox News . It's a standard with them.
No Darren Wilson should not have been tried, for one reason. A grand jury to indict has a much lower bar than an actual trial has. If you cannot meet the bar for a grand jury indictment then you will never reach the bar of probable cause that is the level for an actual trial. You don't change the law because of public outrage. The rule of law has to followed.does not matter how many times this has happened, it's taken case by case.
William French, the original EYEWITNESSES had no "agenda" other than to tell what they SAW. It was only AFTER Wilson told his version of the events that other "witnesses came forward backing up that story. However, the medical examiner works for the CITY. The original police report signed by Wilson was BLANK and filled out later in DIFFERENT HANDWRITING than the signature. BTW I was not "lying" just reporting what was said on the news before all the spin.
Of course all that is moot when you consider the fact that there was no reason to shoot Brown 6 times. In fact, don't Ferguson cops have Tazers?
Isn't it amazing how many BLACK people are being murdered by WHITE people and no charges are filed?
From what I read the medical evidence did not back up hands in the air. And even if Brown had, since he had originally attacked the officer, he had one choice to stay alive as he moved toward that officer-- lie on the ground as he was told to do. If he had gotten to the officer, he could have killed him. His weapons were his strength and hands. But most witnesses said nothing about hands in the air. That was just created for drama and plays better than truth for those wanting hysterics.
As for grand juries, they are made up of ordinary people who agreed to do it for a period of time. They can hear ALL the evidence and ask questions. I've been on a jury not long ago, could have been on a grand jury but it's a commitment of months. On a jury, you are very limited as to what is allowed. I'd say the grand jury, who took so long with this, was in a better situation to decide that Wilson could not be found guilty on the evidence. I've recently seen grand juries who didn't indict (NYC good example), where it made no sense, but the Wilson one did to me having heard all the evidence.
Wilson was not the one saying he hadn't heard about the theft. What he claimed, in all I have heard from him which included right afterward to authorities, is he had not heard of it when he first told them to quit walking down the middle of the road. He then heard it come over the radio and decided he should investigate farther. It's when the altercation turned deadly.
The problem in our country is to work out what's really going on with the police and trying to make Brown into this little boy and a hero is a mistake. There have been other situations that seem to me far more egregious. What is being said is blacks are stopped far more than whites and that leads to resentment.
I just saw a videotape of a cop coming up to a middle aged sounding black man who had been walking with his hands in his pocket, and the cop had to check him out only for being black with his hands in his pocket because someone called it in. That isn't right and it's getting worse. It reminds me of the old Bob Dylan song-- how many roads must a man walk down...
It is not a new problem,
"I also love how somone who clearly gets all his info from right wingblogs and Fox news can accuse someone else of "yellow journalism"."
I don't get anything from right-wing blogs. And, I'm not the Anon of your Congressman obsession everyone (I'm guessing including Tom) are sick of hearing about...
I don't dislike Tom or harbor ill-will, but posting THAT photo of Brown is beneath anyone who wants to be thought a serious political commentator. It is tabloid-esque. He knows that.
As usual, Rain makes good points from a fair and unbiased POV. I have a couple black friends who think the Ferguson thing is overblown and frankly embarrassing. And, yes, there ARE instances of actual racial profiling and unfair police brutality against people of all races and sexes. This was a opportunistic media grab and does disservice to the actual problem. If you watch the videos of the riots and looting, the whole event can have only caused more discredit to the black people involved - most of whom were not from that community. In fact, most of the black people in the community - particularly those who owned businesses, homes, etc. wanted nothing more than to be left alone by the media.
This was a media created and fueled disaster. If I were mayor of Ferguson, I'd look into suing the corporations behind the media outlets for reparations.
Tell you what Mozart, it would
be amazing if you could give the number of BLACK people being murdered by WHITE people and no charges are filed.
Sore Loser(Anonymous), it would be amazing if you made an intelligent statement JUST ONCE.
" I'm not the Anon of your Congressman obsession everyone (I'm guessing including Tom) are sick of hearing about... "
Maybe you should pick a different name. Until then, you ARE him, and what we are sick of is Anonymous (Sore Loser) refusing to answer any simple questions, while expecting everyone else to cater to him.
Still waiting for you to support your claim that, "wealth is "redistributed" from the middle class to the uber rich"
Sore Asshole is waiting for what he has already missed, or ignored. Note how he considers himself an expert on liberal thought, yet cannot even read what we write?
His whiny demand was answered in the previous thread.
Naive or stupid? Or more likely, just ASSHOLE. How about the trickle up wealth to the thug leader of the Blackwater gang for one example? How about Halliburton Dick and his crony war profiteers? How about the Wall Street bailout?
How about corporations paying zero income tax while using public funded infrastructure?
Reality. Try it some time.
See how he ignores what is in plain sight? Or is he just blinded by hate and prejudice? Hmm.
He will never learn what he doesn't want to know.
Sore Asshole is just agitating, as usual.
He's coming off as an angry jerk and sociopath, and is probably proud of it.
"Still waiting". What. An. Asshole.
Greed is his God, and hate is his sacrament.
He can go to Hell with the rest of his servants of mammon.
"I was not there..and neither were you"
Nor were you part of the grand jury, yet you pretend to know more than you do.
"...and what we are sick of"
WE ? You are delusional.
Regarding the Brown killing and the other one in New York:
Washington Post:
House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) said Thursday that he still has "unanswered questions" about the recent deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, two African Americans killed during confrontations with police officers.
“Clearly both of these are serious tragedies that we’ve seen in our society," he said in response to a question at his weekly press conference. "I think the American people want to understand more of what the facts were. There are a lot of unanswered questions that Americans have, and frankly I have."
And he's correct. We don't have all the answers. Sure Brown's behavior was that of a foolish bully, and finally self destructive.
How did it escalate?
Nobody but Wilson knows what happened in the car. Why was the window open enough to allow Brown to enter? Why didn't the cop just raise the window as Brown was entering the vehicle? Did he antagonize or insult Brown? If he did, we can be certain he wouldn't admit it.
We still don't know why a taser was not used, other than Wilson saying it was "unwieldy".
When and how did the officer's weapon come into play? Did he have it brandished at Brown before the altercation? Is Browns DNA on the weapon due to his attempt to brush it away or to take it? We do not know.
The armed party is supposed to be the one in control, the responsible party.
Speaking of responsibility:
Why did the cops run over the family's memorial on a street closed to traffic? This appears to indicate scorn and hate for Brown's family.
A cop-friendly prosecutor and cop-friendly grand jury is not the same as a fair trial with evidence allowed from both sides.
IF Wilson had a conscience he would be asking himself what he could have done differently. Instead he shrugs it off, saying his conscience is clear.
Right. That presumes he has one. It is obvious his fellow cops who crushed the memorial have no conscience. Why should we believe Wilson has one?
Sure, Brown was no saint. But that doesn't mean Wilson is one.
There are sociopaths on both sides of the law.
Why would we expect Wilson to publicly ruminate and speculate on what he could have done differently? Probably a foolish thing to do when facing potential legal issues. I mean, c'mon, at some point self-preservation takes over. I don't think that allows us to judge the inner sanctum of the man. I know a couple of front-line law enforcement officers. They would say when you are in the heat of a perceived life and death situation, there is no way you can relate second-for-second accounts of exactly what took place. Adrenaline is flowing and anxiety is high. And, I'll be the first to point out to my kids (and have) that if you do stupid stuff, at some point you may incur bad consequences. To try to perfectly weigh the scales is not easy here.
But, the problem is not that anyone has proved or failed to prove anything. The problem is that an uncertain and unfortunate (and agreeably up for debate) situation was turned into a race issue solely for the purpose of starting the rioting and for the media's own use. And, the typical media clowns were out in force at their beckon call to whip it up. Typical double-speak, innuendo and feigned concern abounded and drug the garden variety American into the pre-prescribed opinion like good little uncritical buyers of the media tripe.
None of it helpful. All of it destructive and taking the issue of race backwards.
And, now, on queue, we have the calls for more federal oversight and more cameras to keep us safe. Keep gobbling it up America - you're getting less free by the day.
But, it does sell TV commercials.
Look Mozart, if you can't back up your statements, like "isn't it amazing how many BLACK people are being murdered by WHITE people and no charges are filed" with numbers, how stupid is it for you to keep making them?
You must know I'm going to call you out on thses race baiting questions. So the answer to my question "how stupid is it for you", is IT IS VERY STUPID. And in your case par for the course.
Dumbya.
How did it escalate?
Brown hit the cop and went for the cop's gun.
Why was the window lowered?
Because it's hard to be heard from the inside of a car with it's windows rolled up.
Did he antagonize or insult Brown?
None of the even pro Brown(hands up, don't shoot crowd) testimony make the claim that the cop insult or antagonize Brown.
"cop-friendly grand jury"
How do you know that to be fact? You just think that because you don't like the outcome.
Dumbya, did you you know that the members of the Grand Jury had been selected BEFORE Brown was shot, by not days, not weeks, but by months? IE there was no way the Jury could have be selected with a bias for the Brown case as the were picked months before the shooting.
Unless of course they shared your psychic ability.
Do you understand the reason and duties for having a Grand Jury? If so explain to us who do not have your psychic skills.
BTW, what's up with Dianne Warwick and her friends?
Why did the cops run over the family's memorial on a street closed to traffic?
Where did you come up that lie, Dumbya?
Mother Jones
Daily Koz
Little Green Footballs
No one else has reported this to have happened. Where are the smart phone movies of the cops doing this?
Maybe the answer to all of this are the statements, as painful as they may be to the race hustlers and the race industry, of "Sir" Charles Barkley?
"Charles Barkley On Black Community: 'We Got A Lot Of Crooks!
Video Source:
dailycaller.com/2014/12/03/charles-barkley-on-black-community-we-got-a-lot-of-crooks-video/)
What is the most insightful statement about the riots after the Grand Jury decision were make by the Milwaukee WI Sheriff, David Clarke.
He points out that after 6 years of the Obama trillion dollar stimulus to create jobs, blacks in America are as bad off in not worse that they were before Obama was elected.
Video Source: realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/03/milwaukee_sheriff_david_clarke_white_house_fanning_the_flames_of_racial_discord.html
It's odd how blacks who have fled the liberal plantation view things.
Harley,
The problem is that an uncertain and unfortunate (and agreeably up for debate) situation..
Thank you.
We see Sore Asshole selectively, and hatefully, lashes out at me for mentioning the uncertainties. Note also that you and Boehner get a pass for recognizing some questions are still unanswered.
Sore Asshole, as usual, has ALL the answers.
This is what makes Sore Asshole an asshole. This is why I will no longer engage him with dialogue, apart from noting his lies and asshole behavior.
"uncertainties"?
Here are a few certainties.
If you dont do what a cop tells you to do, when he tells you, things will turn out bad for you.
If you break the law you are a criminal.
Criminals are punished.
If you like your Dr. you can keep your Dr.
In St.Louis area since Dec 1st there have been four (4) murders, none commented by white police or white citizens. 3 black victims 1 white victim. All committed by black men.
Dumbya,
Since you are in law enforcement, you are held to a higher standard. Certainly you can understand that?
Were you certain that OJ Simpson was innocent? Or were you uncertain?
Were you certain that the Lacrosse team had raped a black woman?
Were you certain that Tawana Brawley had been raped by white cops?
Yes black lives do matter, but the problem is the back community does not feel the same to the death of blacks unless they are taken by cops. The problem is not racism in the police force, the problem is the murdering done by blacks to other blacks.
BTW Dumbya, I didn't selectively, and hatefully, lash out to you. I did how ever, certainly hold you to task to provide the evidence needed to support your statements. Sounds like Dumbya is uncertainty having an angry day.
Sucks to be you.
Three in agreement. Sore Asshole selectively, and with prejudice, attacks only one.
Boehner: "There are a lot of unanswered questions that Americans have, and frankly I have."
Dubya: "And he's correct. We don't have all the answers."
Harley: "The problem is that an uncertain and unfortunate (and agreeably up for debate) situation..."
Sore Asshole: "BTW Dumbya, I didn't selectively, and hatefully, lash out to you."
Obviously, he did. Where does he address Harley's statement? How about Boehner's statement?
Full pass.
Attack the liberal. Blame the liberal for saying there are unanswered questions. For only liberals are to blame.
Scapegoating and hate are at the heart of fascism.
His is the scapegoating and hate that fuel fascism.
What. An. Asshole.
DuMbya,
Where does it say I have to recognize the statements of others in order to comment on yours?
No where.
Talk about authoritarian!
Talk about wanting to control the discussion!
Talk about wanting to be thought of as important!
Mozart,
How about backing up your statement with some facts about the "choking" death on Staten Island?
1. Was there a police supervisor there when the death occurred?
NO, death occurred at the hospital not the scene. Yes there was a supervisor at the street scene, he was, gasp, a BLACK Cop!
2. Did the black criminal resist arrest? Yes he did.
3. Did police officer follow NYPD rules in dealing with someone resisting arrest? Yes he did.
4. Why is selling loosies a crime in NYC? Because of the high taxes on a pack of cigs (total cost close to $13.00 a pack) there is a black market for cigs because many people who are addicted to cigs can not afford to buy a pack at at time. Hence in order to keep the tax dollars going to the govt, it is against the law to sell loosies. Govt can not deal with competition for THEIR money, IE tax dollars.
(Side question, is the way NYC is dealing with the sale of legal cigs have anything to tell us about the effects of the legalization of pot? If we cant stop the sale of pot let's tax it to get the rev, like what is being done with cigs?)
5. Did the black criminal selling loosies have other health issues?
Yes, several. Look them up.
6. What was the cause of death? Look it up.
7. Was a "choke hold" used?
No. Look it up. The hold was NOT a choke hold.
Is it possible that what the black community really wants is a set of laws for them and a set of laws for whites. To be enforced by black cops in their community and white cops else where?
If so that sounds like a return to segregation. Like a self imposed black only. ghetto. You tell me, I dont pretend to be an expert on an expert on what blacks Americans want, as I view them as individual, not a voting block.
8. Would black community leaders be happy if white cops no longer enforced the law in their community?
9. What percentage, nation wide, of blacks murdered, are done so by non black killers?
10. Would the man be still alive if he had not,
a. broke the law
b. resisted arrest when he was caught breaking the law?
Sore Loser (Anonymous) as long as you refuse to answer the simplest of questions wy should I cater to you?
And look at how many unarmed Black men (and one 12 year old boy) have been MURDERED by White cops just in the last few months, and that doersn't include Trayvon Martin, who was MURDERED by a paranoid wannabe cop.
Turn off Fox news, you might learn something.
NY Daily News:
HOMICIDE: Medical examiner says NYPD chokehold killed Staten Island dad Eric Garner
The 43-year-old dad died July 17 after cops on Staten Island attempted to arrest him for selling untaxed cigarettes. 'Thank God the truth is finally out,' the man's widow said Friday after the report was unveiled.
It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him.
Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn’t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.
The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and “prone positioning during physical restraint by police” killed Garner.
The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide
Washington Post:
Conservatives have joined liberals in denouncing the Staten Island grand jury’s decision Wednesday as a miscarriage of justice.
Sean Davis, founder of the conservative Web magazine the Federalist, tweeted: “The Eric Garner murder is pretty much slam-dunk second-degree manslaughter at the very least. But hey: Two Americas.”
And on Fox News, conservative Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer called the Staten Island grand jury’s decision “totally incomprehensible.”
“It looks as if . . . they might have indicted him on something like involuntary manslaughter at the very least,” Krauthammer said. “The guy actually said, ‘I can’t breathe,’ which ought to be a signal if the guy was unarmed, and the crime was as petty as they come.”
“I thought how sad. The verdict was hard to understand. … It’s sad that race continues to play such an emotional, divisive part of life.” – George W. Bush
Sore Loser, the choking by the cops WAS LISTED AS THE CAUSE OF DEATH. It doesn't matter if it was an "official" choke hold.
Not to mention the man said "I can't breathe" ELEVEN TIMES.
"And look at how many unarmed Black men (and one 12 year old boy) have been MURDERED by White cops just in the last few months, and that doersn't include Trayvon Martin, who was MURDERED by a paranoid wannabe cop."
Murdered? That's not what the jury's have said?
Are you the jury and the judge on these cases?
How many blacks have murdered by other blacks in the last few months?
How many whites have been murdered by blacks in the last few months?
How many blacks have been murdered by black cops in the last few months?
Logic should force you to examine and find the answers to these questions in order to support the position that white cops are killing blacks at an alarming rate and therefore must be racist.
The Solution is Simple.
Cops will no longer enforce the law when it is broken by a black. No arrests of blacks, no investigation of a crime if committed by black.
This will do several things, one of which is reduce the number of blacks in "unfairly" in prison. This will also reduce the number of black on black crimes like murder. After all, the problem is not the murder but the fact that there are cops arresting blacks for the murder.
The crime rate in the "community" will plummet, as will white on black crime.
Mozart, what you don't seem to understand is the feeling that many blacks have that all of the crime in their "community" stems from their being descendents of slaves, and therefore the fault of whites. Regardless of you liking it or not, there is still a desire to get even for slavery. Many blacks have said they are owed something from the white population because of slavery.
I would explain how this belief has been exploited by the white liberal plantation owners, but I realize if you cant understand the function of a Grand Jury, I'd be wasting my time.
If a white is not convected for the murder of a black it has to be the racist system, is what you are saying, because all whites who kill a black only do so for racist reasons!
What all of this says to me is that when it comes to race relations, there can be only one point of view and that is the system is racist and must be overthrown, without any concept of the system would look like afterwards, IE the Liberal view that it is always someone else s fault for a crime committed by a minority.
Do I care what any of the papers or elected official have said what they think about current events? No, I do not.
Why?
Because:
1. Decisions made by jury's are not made based on protests.
2. Decisions made by jury's are not made based on public opinion.
(if that was the way courts worked, should OJ Simpson have been convicted for the murder of two white people?)
3. Those quoted were not on the jury.
Name a better legal system any where in the world than the one here. Then take your trial/case to that system and see how it works for you.
The practical solution is:
Do not comment crime.
If caught doing so, don't resist arrest.
Maybe the debate should be: Why is the crime rate highest in the black population per capita than any other segment of our population?
But to do so might be called racist.
This is not a black and white issue.
"It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him."
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
"The words ‘separation of church and state’ are not in the U.S. Constitution".
Show where they are Tom, and while you are at it, how old again was Michael Brown?
Dumbya,
Goes to show again if you dont break the law, life is simple. If you get caught breaking the law and resist arrest, not so much. How many of the wards of the State that you clean up after and are under your care are there because they didn't break the law?
It is not a racial thing. It's an obey the law thing.
Grand Jury doesn't agree with you Dumbya. Sorry, better go home and kick the dog.
As the use of choke hold is illegal in NY State, why didn't the Grand Jury convict the cop of breaking the law by using it?
Why didn't the cop's black supervisor who was there stop the choke hold if it was being used?
Because he was not using a choke hold.
1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," "He wouldn't be dead today.
"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"
2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"
3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.
4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."
8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.
9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.
10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.
Right On Rev Sharptoon!
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
Hands Up, Don't Shoot!
Amazing that the ONLY person charged with a crime in the "Choke hold" case was the guy that shot the video PROVING that the cops were in the wrong.
Go figure.
Yup, almost as amazing as health insurance premiums going up counter to the promise that they would go down.
You break the law, you resist arrest, bad things will happen.
Amazing that you haven't figured that out yet.
HOMICIDE: Medical examiner says NYPD chokehold killed Staten Island dad Eric Garner
In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
What part of "I can't breathe" does NOT reflect substantial risk?
Was he even read his rights and told he was under arrest? Or was he simply assaulted?
Remember, even his "crimes" were petty, victim-less and non-violent. And the police have nothing better to do than send three officers after this guy?
How is this in any way protecting the public? How is this a priority? How is this justified?
Grand juries are NOT fair trials. They are rigged in favor of law enforcement.
This was at minimum poor police work.
Cops should be trained to de-escalate instead of agitating for confrontation.
Thugs are thugs. The lucky ones are in uniform.
There are sociopaths on both sides of the law.
Excellent points Dave Dubya at 12:08 PM,
I believe you should be a lawyer or Judge.
You speak the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Good points Dave,
We have to change a culture that says you suck it up, its fundamental to who we are as Americans.
Make that FOUR officers of the law "protecting" the public from buying cigarettes.
Where is the outrage over this waste of tax dollars?
Why, none at all, since a black guy was killed.
...And we have one such sociopath in the comment thread.
These cold blooded fascists with their reptilian mentality think there's no such thing as police brutality, and the man deserved to die for...what? Selling cigarettes.
So where's the evidence of him doing so in this instance?
Anyone?
Was he read his rights?
Anyone?
They barely hide their glee over the death of a non-violent man.
Because "values", amirite?
A zygote is valued more than a black man's life.
"Pro-life", my ass. They would dance on the graves of those they hate and demonize.
Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism.
Dave,
You are rambling and sound like you are talking to yourself. Are you drunk or stoned by chance?
There is no drunk or stoned person as deluded and hateful as the radical far Right authoritarian.
No wonder he's confused and avoids fair discussion.
Go figure Anonymous (Sore Loser) manahes to slip in a dig at Obamacare (which has NOTHING to do with the cost of premiums, except for vidictive insurance companies wanting to make it LOOK LIke Obama's fault)When we aree trying to expose injustice in the nations local police departments.
Didn't Anonytmous whine and cry over "Martial Law) in Boston after the Bombings? Funny how conservatives support the police killing Black people.
Dumbya,
You moron, there would not be a market place for selling loosies if the liberals of NY hadn't raised the taxes on cigs to where a pack cost close to $13 and the poor that they claim to be so concerned about can't afford them.
Cops were doing what they had been instructed to do in order to stop the loss of tax dollars due to the poor going to the black market for their cigs. The cops were trying to ensure the State got it's tax dollars and by removing any competition. Liberals typical reaction to the free market place.
Another example of liberalism failing, of liberal policy hurting the poor.
It's like the falling gas prices, Feds are talking about raising taxes on gas. Lower gas prices help the poor, help the economy help America grow. Increasing gas tax after The federal government collected a record amount of taxes in fiscal year 2014, topping $3 trillion in revenue for the first time in its history, shows who the real greedy are, shows who really worships money!
Liberalism, policy's so great they have to be enforced by the cops and mandated instead of voted on by the people.
Let's see if Sore Asshole can tell us how both this cop and myself are "morons".
What a Cop Cop Thinks About Staten Island:
He has seen the video. His immediate reaction is that the officer applying the choke hold will probably face federal indictments, and he should, for excessive force.
But my friend went further. He noted there was a sergeant on the scene who did not stop it, and questioned whether the sergeant should be brought up on charges. He also noted that the EMTs who arrived apparently made no attempt to revive Eric Garner. He pointed out that Garner's crime, which was a misdemeanor, did not even require an arrest - an officer could simply give him a criminal citation. He described what the police were doing, including how they pressed Garner to the ground while handcuffing him, as appalling and unnecessary.
Dictionary of the far Right:
"Moron": One who is NOT a racist gloating over a dead mad killed for no good reason.
His is the hate and racism that fuels fascism.
I have to agree with Sore Loser on this one Dave,
The current structure of government is that elected officials see consumers as sheep to be shorn. Garner, who died in a chokehold, was selling illegal cigarettes in NYC and stealing tax revenue. Remember, the government hates competition when it comes to collecting revenue. If Garner was selling refer, they probably would have let him go.
The cigarette taxes in NYC pay for government services. So to keep the coffers full the state needs to keep shearing the sheep. Similarly, inner cities are nickeled and dimed by the exact same government the progressives set up to supposedly help these people. Maybe you've seen Phildelphia parking wars, and why would NYC have alternate side street parking except to try and get more parking ticket revenue?
Thus, we have many progressive causes that are funded by stealing from the poorest of us and may have cost Garner his life.
Dumbya,
Now I can go to heaven, I've seen the Daily Kos quote a cop!
Obvious the solution is to withdraw all the cops from the Black Community and let them figure out what laws they want to enforce vs having to live under the oppressive laws imposed on them by white racist former slave owners. How would this work at the place where you work?
Next thing you know, Rev Sharpton will ask the Federal Govt take control of all State and local police.
What's going to be really interesting is to see how the
30,862 Foreign Criminals Obama’s Immigration Deputies Have Released Into America are treated by the cops under the Sharpton request.
Under Obama officials also repatriated only 8,805 of the roughly 180,000 unskilled Central American migrants who flooded across the border since 2011, according to the “Fiscal Year 2014 ICE Enforcement and Removal Operation Report.”
The document also showed that Obama repatriated less than 1 percent of the 12 million illegals living in the United States during the 12 months up to October 2014.
Better upgrade you work skills soon if you want to have a job.
When a man dictates the law, that man is a dictator.
Tyrone, How many "loosies" would Garner have to sell to "steal" enough tax revenue to be of any significance? Jeez man, are you seriously using that as an excuse? All you have to do is watch two or three episodes of "Cops" to see that it's not neccessary to KILL someone to subdue them, even after an actual crime! Cops carry Tazers for a reason!
But somehow lately, Black men have to die for misdemeanors.
WHY?
Strange Fruit indeed.
Sore Losre, when Blacks kill ANYONE they usually are convicted and do time. Maybe that's why there is no rioting.
However, LATELY when a White cop kills a Black person, they seem to find a way to criminalize the VICTIM enough to get the cop off the hook.
Go figure people get a bit upset.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120212/OPINION03/202120303
LATELY when a White cop kills a Black person, they seem to find a way to criminalize the VICTIM enough to get the cop off the hook.
Maybe the problem is the black WAS a criminal?
Funny how conservatives support the police killing Black people."
Mozart,
Prove what you said is not a lie.
Funny how blacks don't riot when blacks kill other blacks."
How many more blacks are murdered by other blacks that by cops?
Half a dozen a year?
Blacks kill more of each other in a year in Chicago that blacks killed by whites in all of America in a year!
And the problem is blacks go to jail for murder, but cops who are enforcing the law, get off? Really?
Did you read the case in NC, you know the DEEP South North Carolina, which just convected a white cop for killing a black guy?
Of course not.
The talking point from the left is again how bad off minority's have it in America, because of white people. Mainly RICH CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN WHITE PEOPLE!!! Isn't that right Mozart?
Yet liberals ignore the very provable well know fact that blacks kill blacks more that whites kill blacks. In fact blacks kill more whites that whites kill blacks, even thought there many more whites than blacks in America! Liberals who have for the past 55 years promised the Black Community that "a change was going to come" just keep voting for us and stay on our plantation. Go figure.
Wait until the 38,000 criminals that Dictator Obama released from jail into our society that are here illegally roam your neighborhood. Who You Gonna Call the racist cops for help? Or Al Sharpton?
"Black men have to die for misdemeanors"
Wrong!! LIE! Race Baiting!
All black men have to do is either
a. don't commit the misdemeanor
and if that doesn't fit their life style
b. if caught by the police for the misdemeanor (or for that matter, any crime), don't resit arrest.
It really isn't that hard. Many people never get arrested in their entire life.
don't resit arrest.
Still no evidence Garner was "arrested". Was he read his rights?
Looked like an assault to me.
No Miranda, no arrest.
For selling cigarettes...
So where's the evidence of him doing so in this instance?
Anyone?
Was he read his rights?
Anyone?
In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
What part of "I can't breathe" does NOT reflect substantial risk?
They barely hide their glee over the death of a non-violent man.
We expect no polite discourse and no answers from racists and haters.
Boehner: "There are a lot of unanswered questions that Americans have, and frankly I have."
Dubya: "And he's correct. We don't have all the answers."
Harley: "The problem is that an uncertain and unfortunate (and agreeably up for debate) situation..."
Sore Asshole: "BTW Dumbya, I didn't selectively, and hatefully, lash out to you."
Obviously, he did. Where does he address Harley's statement? How about Boehner's statement?
Full pass.
Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism.
Let's see if re-reading the officer's points will help Sore Asshole get to "Heaven" sooner, (providing there's a racist wing there.)
He has seen the video. His immediate reaction is that the officer applying the choke hold will probably face federal indictments, and he should, for excessive force.
But my friend went further. He noted there was a sergeant on the scene who did not stop it, and questioned whether the sergeant should be brought up on charges. He also noted that the EMTs who arrived apparently made no attempt to revive Eric Garner. He pointed out that Garner's crime, which was a misdemeanor, did not even require an arrest - an officer could simply give him a criminal citation. He described what the police were doing, including how they pressed Garner to the ground while handcuffing him, as appalling and unnecessary.
He cannot rationally argue with me or this cop.
Sore Asshole is a sore loser.
It's Free!, Swipe Yo EBT!
It's Free!, Swipe Yo EBT!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII
Good News everybody!
Poor Mary Landrieu lost the LA runoff yesterday.
Mary voted for ObamaCare that the MAJORITY of Americans did NOT want.
Mary is history.
+9 pickup in the Senate for the GOP!
BYE BYE MARY!
"Keystone" Mary was a Democrat???
Hard to tell the difference with all those oil soaked politicians.
"Keystone" Mary was a Democrat???"
Thats right Dave. Only Democrats voted for ObamaCare.
How do you feel about the low gas prices at the pump? Fossil Fuels rock!
Aint it funny that the more you progs say we are out of oil, the more reserves we find proving the opposite?
"For selling cigarettes.."
ILLEGALLY selling, moron! The State needs it's tax dollars and can not allow any competition for those dollars. A tax passed by liberals in NY, not by the Tea Party. A liberal constriction on free enterprise if there ever was one.
Have you ever heard of taking a suspect into custody, arresting them and then giving them their rights?
BUT when the suspect resists,, crap Dumbya, you work in law enforcement, why should anyone have to explain to you how it works? Do you give those who you take care of their rights when they break a law while in your custody? Do you read them their rights when you have to forcibly remove them from a cell?
What is the first thing you do?
You take steps to get control over them physically.
Same on the street.
And if there is resistance, do you reduce or heighten your efforts to gain control?
It is not lost on me how Dumbya keeps trying to change the narrative from one of a law breaker resisting arrest after being caught by cops, into one of the criminal wasn't really a bad guy, after all it was only cigs.
How can a person who can't breath, still be able to speak? Isn't speech the result of air going back and forth from our lungs through our vocal cords? Better still if he couldn't breath, why would he still resist being arrested?
"He noted there was a sergeant on the scene who did not stop it." Did he note that the sergeant was BLACK?
What I would like Dumbya and all those who agree with him to do is to advise what they think the correct response should be from a cop when dealing with a Black they caught committing a crime?
Looking for some new laws to soon be dictated to us by Dictator Obama giving federal govt control over police forces in the States. Power not in the Constitution, but what the heck, that old piece of paper was written by a bunch of white slave owners.
How many blacks were killed since Dec 1st by other blacks?
How many were killed by whites since Dec 1st?
How many blacks were killed by cops of any color since Dec 1st?
Dumbya,,
His stupidity is what fuels his liberalism.
Or maybe it's
His liberalism is what fuels his stupidity?
Instead of Sore Asshole’s uninformed blather, here’s something for reasonable people to consider .
Just five percent of (NYPD) arresting officers during that period account for 40% of resisting arrest cases -- and 15% account for more than half of such cases…Court records show officer Donald Sadowy was sued at least 10 times in little more than two years.
These thugs in uniform cost the NYPD over $100 Million per year in compensation payouts to their victims.
Only radical far Right authoritarians deny police brutality exists. To the far Right, cops and Wall Street can do no wrong. The respect and revere only two things. Wealth and power. The truth is none of their concern.
Dave,
Imagine if Tom Degan had been the COP instead of Darren Wilson who responded to the 300 pound thug robbing the little asian man's store.
After the thug charged Tom's police cruiser and punched Tom in the head a few times, Tom would have turned the other cheek like Jesus and let Michael take his gun and blow his head off. The media would have spent a day or two on the story and then buried it. The liberal media with their progressive agenda does not care about black on white or black on black crimes.
Dumbya is in full throat-ed anarchistic rage these days.
Could he use any more Party talking points, words and phrases than what he is using now?
Does he offer solutions to the problems he perceives as existing?
Of course not, because that what anarchists do.
Anarchists, Noun:
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.
Once anarchy is established, then the Socialist Liberation Peoples Party can come out of the shadows, claiming to be the only force capable of returning order to society, and ascend to the highest seats of power.
If he was really upset over of what he claims is a pandemic of police brutality he would offer solutions. He would deal with the problems cops face in trying to protect the innocents in the black "community". He would address the reasons for the high crime rate in the black "community", and offer solutions. He would be honest about what the culture of the black "community" is teaching it's youth. He would be open to the plain as the nose on his face truth that the white community have less crime. He would then examine the reasons why that is and implement his findings on the black "community. He would find out why black students graduate from high school at a lower rate that white students. He would examine the black culture that calls successful blacks Uncle Tom's or traitors to their race if they are conservative. He would face the stark reality that in NYC 78% of abortions are black or Hispanic and question who is it that really thinks and acts as if black lives don't matter?
But he won't because he knows that if the black "community" blames itself for the state of their community, instead of blaming the "man", there would be no need for him and his fellow liberals.
Liberalism needs an underclass to exist.
Hey here’s a way to insult African-Americans! The execrable maggot Al Sharpton says they can’t be expected to take care of their families unless the federal government provides them with jobs somehow. Makes sense.
Uhhhh, who has been the head of the federal government for six years? Whoever it is must be a racist because he won’t give blacks any jobs!!! Oh wait…
Embattled MIT professor Jonathan Gruber has not only gotten in trouble for bragging about helping President Obama put one over on the American people with Obamacare, he’s also been uncovered as an abortion advocate—but not a run-of-the-mill advocate of “women’s rights.”
No, Gruber’s abortion advocacy is of a particularly pungent eugenics variety. He’s on record repeatedly making the case from social science that abortion is a “social good” because it reduces the number of “marginal children,” by which he means urban poor—those he says can be counted on to commit crimes if they were ever born.
Gruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime.
Pro-lifers have always wondered why the black community has not responded more aggressively to the fact that so many abortion clinics are located in poor neighborhoods and why the black abortion rate is so much higher than whites.
A documentary called Maafa 21 argues that abortion is a part of what they called a “black genocide.”
Got to love progressives,
I see the conservative factions are now in full support of police brutality.
Whatever happened to all the "Obama is ordering Marshall Law" whining after the Boston Bombings?
When a person can DIE as a result of being arrested for a misdemeanor, is that Obama's fault, or will it only be blamed on him if White people start
dying?
I notice Sore Loser(Anonymous) has found someone else to whine about
House Resolution 758 passed with only 10 "nays", without fanfare, and without any sound basis.
That should tell you the state of our government today.
I am fearful.
Mozart,
Who you gonna call when you need a crime stopped?
Al Sharpton
or the
Police
"When a person can DIE as a result of being (RESITING) arrested for a misdemeanor,"
Two things,
1. Don't commit the crime
2. If caught, don't resist arrest
A lot of people go their entire lives without being arrested, its not that hard a thing to do. What do you think is a proper response by the police when the catch a person committing a crime? "I'm going to tell your mom on you?"
What do you think the police should do when a person resists arrest:
1. tickle them into submission?
2. taze them
3. shoot them
4. send in a police dog
5. beat them with clubs
6. wrestle with them
Tom is the one who brought up 18 year old M. Moore's death, as an example of white racism. One of the claims being made is that "black lives do count". My bringing up J. Gruber's position & statements on abortion of minority's must have, not surprisingly, gone right over your head. That Gruber lied to you about the real effect of the ACA and it's cost is one thing. But for you to ignore his reason for supporting the abortion of minority's should, if you were not a champagne socialist/liberal, send you into the streets screaming,
BLACK LIVES DO COUNT, EVEN IN THEIR MOTHERS WOMB!
Your silence is deafening.
The question that you and other liberals need to answer is,
when does a black life count?
Harley,
In a militarized corporatist empire such as ours, war can always depend on bi-partisan support.
Notice how nobody EVER asks if we can afford it, or even if we SHOULD do it.
As we learned from the Bush/Cheney regime that would be "siding with the terrorists", or other enemy du jour.
Rest in peace, Mr. Lennon. Ya' know, we really miss you, but don't think you'd recognize the place anymore. The peace and goodwill you spoke and sang about seem to be even more elusive, and so much less attainable, than when you were here.
Your memory, and your ideals and beliefs, live on in our hearts -- at least for those who still have one.
R.I.P.
Dave Dubya,
"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved....
After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."
"Your memory, and your ideals and beliefs, live on in our hearts -- at least for those who still have one."
What a crock of self righteous liberal psycho babel.
How does your heart feel about the black babys who have been murdered in their mothers wombs because of the policy's you support?
Sore loser (Anonymous) is great at changing the subject. Abortion has NOTHING to do with this conversation and one can be concerned with CERTAIN police officers being bigots and still support law enforcement as a whole.
And when have I EVER supported AL Sharpton?
I don't expect you top answer that, since you never answer any questions.
Oh, and it's "policies" not "policy's"
Maybe if you got an actual education you wouldn't look like such a fool in this forum.
Did you figure out who your congressmen are yet?
Sounds like Mozart woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Must be the nightmare of seeing his liberal policies being exposed as the frauds that they are.
When have you ever spoken OUT against the lies of the Rev Al?
I really don't know if I can believe what is in the recently released report on CIA interrogation practices from a Democrat-led Senate panel.
The Democrats were such total liars when it came to ObamaCare, I am thinking their CIA report is full of lies and as far as I am concerned they can stick their CIA report right up their ass!
Turns out Joe Wilson with his "You Lie" outburst was right all along!
Turns out Joe Wilson with his "You Lie" outburst was right all along!
It was an outrage and inappropriate.
Bush lied in his State of the Union and thousands died. "Nukular" tubes anyone? At least Dems had the courtesy and respect to not shout during the speech.
Double standards for the far Right on display. Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism.
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