American Sniping
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand."
Harper Lee
from To Kill a Mockingbird
FURTHER DISPATCHES FROM THE CULTURE WAR:
"Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy 'savages.' There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there."
Chris Kyle
"Savage, despicable evil". It really is an interesting choice of words - and very possibly quite appropriate. But we need to take into consideration how the people of Iraq must have felt toward George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's illegal, unjustified invasion of their sovereign nation. One cannot help but wonder how humanely Chris Kyle would have reacted had Saddam Hussein invaded his hometown of Odessa, Texas. "Savage, despicable evil" indeed. Everything is relative. Then again, that was a quote from his autobiography, which was ghost-written. Who knows what the silly bastard was really thinking.
I have not seen the new movie, about the life and "career" of Chris Kyle, nor do I plan to. Were I to stumble upon a copy of it on DVD, I might give it a whirl - if only out of morbid curiosity you understand. Other than that I have no desire to view it. My purpose here is not to comment on the film's merit - or lack thereof - as so many people who haven't seen it - (left and right) - seem to be doing these days. Besides, film criticism isn't really my schtick. I speak merely as a battle-hardened correspondent in America's never-ending culture war.
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| Clint debates a chair |
When someone in the thread pointed out to me that the Second Amendment guaranteed "The right of the people to keep and bear arms", I responded by quoting that section in its full and proper context:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed."
I wondered aloud, "What happened to that 'well regulated militia' bit?" As gently and as tactfully as I could, I pointed out that the part they love to quote so much is always quoted out of context. It is, in fact, only half of a much larger sentence.
This was probably a mistake on my part. You wouldn't believe the shit-storm of invective that I was subjected to....or perhaps you would. Their wrath didn't really bother me all that much. "If you can't stand the heat...." as Harry Truman once advised. In fact their complete freak-out was really kind of funny.
Apparently most (if not all) of the guys who commented are veterans of Operation Iraqi "Freedom". One of them said that I should show a lot more respect to the "men" (he neglected to mention the women) who fought over there for my "freedom". Another one even had the chutzpah to say that I was an idiot and an ingrate, and that I owe my right to free speech to the vets of Iraq. I responded that my First Amendment rights were fully in place when the United States Constitution was ratified two-hundred and twenty-six years ago. That's when the proverbial substance hit the old fan. I should have known better. The entire discussion went completely downhill from there.
It's time to take a deep breath, folks. I have no disrespect for anyone who believes that it is his or her vocation to don the uniform of the United States military. That's fine and dandy. But to imply that they were over there fighting so that I (or any of us) shall remain "free" is an absurdity too profound to contemplate. In March of 2003, George Walker Bush and Richard Bruce Cheney saw an opportunity to seize one of the largest oil reserves on the planet. They also sought to turn an armed conflict into a capitalistic orgy. Cheney's company, Halliburton, made billions in Iraq providing American servicemen and women with facilities and equipment, a lot of which proved to be of such piss-poor quality that it cost the lives of a few of the people who were unfortunate enough to utilize them - such as when some of these poor kids were electrocuted while performing the mere ritual of taking a shower in stalls provided by Cheney and his buddies. Nice.
That's what the war in Iraq was all about: a golden opportunity for a few obscenely wealthy bastards and bitches to become obscenely wealthier. "Freedom"??? Please. That's complete and utter nonsense. Don't insult my intelligence.
"Bring 'em on!"
-George W. Bush, Summer 2003
That it was the worst military blunder in American history only a fool would deny with hindsight. When Iraq exploded in sectarian violence in the summer of 2003, it was only a matter of time before the United States turned tail and got the hell out of there while the getting was good. The only problem was simply that the "getting" would never get very good at all; and it took a nearly a decade for our leaders to realize this nasty little fact. Unfortunately by that time the death toll had risen so high that they have yet to accurately assess the total number of lives lost on the Iraqi side. It might be a million souls lost. It might be more. Most of the dead were not of the "savage, despicable evil" variety of Chris Kyle's memories, but innocent men, women and little children. Ain't that a scream?
And now there is an attempt being made by some of our friends on the loony right to turn Chris Kyle into a secular saint. That's the biggest joke of all - and quite a bit disturbing at the same time. Any criticism of American Sniper is seen by these nitwits as borderline blasphemy, can you believe that?
Tell you what: Would you like to see a film about a true, honest-to-goodness American hero? Go see "Selma". It's about a guy named Martin Luther King. Incidentally, he was shot and killed on April 4, 1968 - by an American sniper named James Earl Ray. Not only that, Dr. King really did die for our freedoms - unlike Chris Kyle - who died simply because he was foolish enough to give a dangerous weapon to a guy on a shooting range who was as crazy as a bedbug. Real life is just drenched with juicy little ironies like that one, you know?
I'm afraid that my observations on my old pal's Facebook feed cost me a friendship that went back over four decades. My comments were deleted and I was immediately "unfriended". That's okay. What good are forty-year-old friendships if they can't be shattered into a million pieces overnight by something as seemingly trivial to human relationships as politics? I'll be fine, I promise. He'll be fine, too, I'm sure.
Every time I meet a person who served in Iraq, my inclination is not to thank them for their service to our country, but, rather, to apologize to them. "Sorry for the fuck up", I'm tempted to say, "I didn't vote for Dubya, Honest I didn't."
Respect? Sure. But I pity them much more than I respect them - much, much more.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED VIEWING:
Hijacking Catastrophe
a film by Robert Greenwald
I left a link to watch this film a little less than three weeks ago, but I need to do it again. This excellent documentary details, with depressing accuracy, the incompetence and corruption behind the Bush Mob's illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the financial killing that Cheney and other GOP-connected "entrepreneurs" made off of it. This is the most important documentary to emerge from the Bush years, and so few people have seen it. See it now. You can pick it up for under ten bucks at amazon.com. I cannot recommend it enough. Watch it.
A BLAST FROM THE PAST:
Here's a really funny posting I saw on Facebook back in November. At the time I shared it on this site. Forgive me, but I need to share it with you again. It really is a riot of mirth!
Yeah, Dubya 'cared about' the troops
alright. The half-witted little psychopath "cared about" them so much that
he sent them off to fight
an illegal, un-winnable war in which over five thousand of them
sacrificed their lives. Now he lives in cushy retirement while the vets
that he "cared about" so much are committing suicide at record numbers.
Yeah, George W. Bush "cared about" the troops. Ain't that a fucking
hoot?
SUGGESTED LISTENING:
Everyday
by Buddy Holly
"But February made me shiver with every paper I'd deliver...." The music died fifty-six years ago today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty31QY5ZGHo
And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died....
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Special thanks to Facebook friend, Judi Stately, for the Harper Lee quote at the top of this piece.
Hi ho, everybody, hi ho....
Apparently most (if not all) of the guys who commented are veterans of Operation Iraqi "Freedom". One of them said that I should show a lot more respect to the "men" (he neglected to mention the women) who fought over there for my "freedom". Another one even had the chutzpah to say that I was an idiot and an ingrate, and that I owe my right to free speech to the vets of Iraq. I responded that my First Amendment rights were fully in place when the United States Constitution was ratified two-hundred and twenty-six years ago. That's when the proverbial substance hit the old fan. I should have known better. The entire discussion went completely downhill from there.
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| "HEY, TROOPS!" |
That's what the war in Iraq was all about: a golden opportunity for a few obscenely wealthy bastards and bitches to become obscenely wealthier. "Freedom"??? Please. That's complete and utter nonsense. Don't insult my intelligence.
"Bring 'em on!"
-George W. Bush, Summer 2003
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| Cooper as Kyle |
And now there is an attempt being made by some of our friends on the loony right to turn Chris Kyle into a secular saint. That's the biggest joke of all - and quite a bit disturbing at the same time. Any criticism of American Sniper is seen by these nitwits as borderline blasphemy, can you believe that?
I'm afraid that my observations on my old pal's Facebook feed cost me a friendship that went back over four decades. My comments were deleted and I was immediately "unfriended". That's okay. What good are forty-year-old friendships if they can't be shattered into a million pieces overnight by something as seemingly trivial to human relationships as politics? I'll be fine, I promise. He'll be fine, too, I'm sure.
Every time I meet a person who served in Iraq, my inclination is not to thank them for their service to our country, but, rather, to apologize to them. "Sorry for the fuck up", I'm tempted to say, "I didn't vote for Dubya, Honest I didn't."
Respect? Sure. But I pity them much more than I respect them - much, much more.
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED VIEWING:Hijacking Catastrophe
a film by Robert Greenwald
I left a link to watch this film a little less than three weeks ago, but I need to do it again. This excellent documentary details, with depressing accuracy, the incompetence and corruption behind the Bush Mob's illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the financial killing that Cheney and other GOP-connected "entrepreneurs" made off of it. This is the most important documentary to emerge from the Bush years, and so few people have seen it. See it now. You can pick it up for under ten bucks at amazon.com. I cannot recommend it enough. Watch it.
A BLAST FROM THE PAST:
Here's a really funny posting I saw on Facebook back in November. At the time I shared it on this site. Forgive me, but I need to share it with you again. It really is a riot of mirth!
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| A real Texas hero |
Everyday
by Buddy Holly
"But February made me shiver with every paper I'd deliver...." The music died fifty-six years ago today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty31QY5ZGHo
And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died....
********************
Special thanks to Facebook friend, Judi Stately, for the Harper Lee quote at the top of this piece.
Hi ho, everybody, hi ho....
posted by Tom Degan @ 7:24 AM
204 comments
204 Comments:
Who took more innocent human lives?
Dr. Kermit Gosnell
GWB
Chris Kyle
Excellent piece, my friend. The truth is mightier than the sniper.
By the way, neither will I watch this film -- or any film glorifying the so-called "war on terrorism". Unfortunately, those men and women who have participated believing they've done anything in the name of "freedom" have been cleverly deceived and manipulated as tools of the corporate-state.
The "head-shot" reached its target; the bulls-eye the egotistical glorification that a young generation yearns to connect to a day when fighting for your country meant just that. Instead, they lose their lives, their limbs, their sanity -- and us our national treasure -- so that billionaires can become wealthier.
If you are able to look at the Iraq War/Invasion from a distance you will is it is no different than Germany invading Poland or France.
It was and is a spectacle of torture and debauchery, if you read what when on in the Bagram prison housing 4500 men,women and children you would have to agree.
To glorify this sniper is the same as glorifying a German sniper who killed Polish or French citizens.
I read many first hand accounts of sniper killings throughout Iraq when it was happening and they rarely differentiated civilians from military targets.
Since we were wrong to even be in Iraq all of of the people killed by this sniper were innocent people.
is, should be see.
Yes, Clint Eastwood can make good action movies. Nothing very though-provoking.
Politicians who start wars are criminals, especially if the war is based on lies about WMDs, Saddam having ties to al-Qaeda, and a "nukular" weapons program.
War is savagery. Bush was the prime instigator of the savagery. Period.
Kyle was oblivious to his own savagery, killing people defending their country from invaders.
Sure, he might have saved some American lives, but that didn't stop the needless deaths of 4,000 in Bush's war for crony profit and political gain.
Nobody saved those 4,000 lives. Many liberals tried, but were called traitors siding with terrorists.
Those crowing most about "supporting the troops" sent them to their deaths. Maybe it's time for some vets to thank us for trying to save the lives of their dead comrades.
Such is the moral sickness of a military corporate empire.
So how do those "liberated Iraqis" feel about the movie?
‘American Sniper’ misfires in Iraq
After just a handful of sometimes rowdy screenings, the film has been pulled from Baghdad’s only movie theater amid complaints from the Iraqi government — as well as viewers — that it “insults” Iraqis.
…“It glorifies Americans and makes Iraqis out to be nothing but terrorists.”…
The movie also omitted to note that some Iraqis worked with the Americans, said Sarmad Moazzem, 32, who was one of them. He served alongside U.S. troops for five years in an Interior Ministry logistics division and now works as a security adviser at the theater that pulled the film.
“The film makes out that all Iraqis are terrorists — men, women and children,” he said, “whereas, actually, there are some people who loved the Americans and wanted them to stay to help rebuild our country. The movie didn’t show any of them.”
He listed numerous inaccuracies, such as the identification of Sadr City, the Baghdad neighborhood where Shiite militias battled U.S. troops on numerous occasions, as a stronghold of al-Qaeda — which is a Sunni group….
What scares me, is that we have come a long way from the way Vietnam Vets were treated.
We no longer call them "baby killers" which is commendable, but NOW we are swinging the pendulum frighteningly close to WORSHIP.
We SHOULD respect and honor our brave men and women in uniform. But when we make them infallible and SACRED, we run into dagerous ground.
Not ALL soldiers are "heroes". Some (my guess is a very small minority) are just bad people, obsessed with violence, who have found an outlet for their fetish.
I have not see this film, so I will not speak to what it does or does not portray, but I have been told it tries to connect 9-11 with Iraq, which is just plain wrong, and if Clint Eastwood is throwing HIS politics into it, he can speak to MY "empty chair" in the theater, because I want no part of the glorification of war.
American Sniper' is top U.S. box office hit for third week.
(Reuters) - Box office juggernaut "American Sniper" held the top spot at U.S. and Canadian box offices over the weekend with $31.9 million in ticket sales, according to studio estimates.
The Oscar-nominated war film directed by Clint Eastwood and starring best actor nominee Bradley Cooper as a Navy Seal sharpshooter easily triumphed over several new releases as it closed in on a domestic total of $250 million since opening on Jan. 16.
What is the significant of this fact?
Majority of Americans don't agree with the views of Tom on this subject
including the First Lady. Michelle Obama Praises 'American Sniper' At Veterans Event.
What is the solution to it's popularity?
Tax it?
Ban it?
I'm afraid Tom, that you are preaching to a congregation that is shrinking as the midterm elections have indicated.
Michelle Obama Praises 'American Sniper' At Veterans Event,
Majority of Americans don't agree with the views of Tom on this subject
Is Michelle Obama “most Americans”?
No,
Has the majority of Americans seen the movie?
No.
Does the majority of Americans think Bush’s war for crony profit and political gain was worth it?
No.
Are most Americans dupes of Right Wing military propaganda?
Yes, they were, unfortunately. 70% bought into Saddam having something to do with al-Qaeda and 9-11 just before the war criminal started his war,
As of June 2014, 75%, aka “Most Americans”, say the Iraq war wasn't worth the costs:
Poll
What is the significance of these facts?
The majority of Americans don't agree with the views of Sore Asshole on this, or any other subject
Sore Asshole is hopelessly incapable of logic and honesty as he spins for his Republican/Koch masters.
He has no shame. This makes him an authoritarian sociopath, the “conservative without a conscience” described in John Dean’s book of that title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2] It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
President Clinton stated in February 1998:
Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production....
Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits....
It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons....
Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal....
President Clinton ~ 1998[6]
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.
This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
What a load of horse shit, Ritter had 2500 men and criss crossed Iraq for years and he knew they stopped making WMD in 1992. He was back in Iraq in 2003 screaming that there was no WMD. The Bush admin told him to get out before the bombs start falling.
" William Scott Ritter, Jr. was a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998, and later a critic of United States foreign policy in the Middle East. Prior to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, Ritter stated that Iraq possessed no significant weapons of mass destruction capabilities. He became a popular anti-war figure and talk show commentator as a result of his stance."
Just because people rushed out to see what all the fuss was about does not mean the "majority of Americans" agree with the premise or politics of the film.
Wasn't it 2 Live Crew that had a record out and no one cared until batshit evangelical Anita Bryant made a stink about having it banned? It shot to the top of the charts.
I'd call your position "straw man" but you don't even have any straw.
Ah, the final deflection, "the Clintons did it"!
But they didn't. Hillary is a neo-con enabler all the way, but she still didn't start the war.
Bush did.
Does the majority of Americans think Bush’s war for crony profit and political gain was worth it?
No.
Are most Americans dupes of Right Wing military propaganda?
Yes, they were, unfortunately. 70% bought into Saddam having something to do with al-Qaeda and 9-11 just before the war criminal started his war.
As of June 2014, 75%, aka “Most Americans”, say the Iraq war wasn't worth the costs:
Poll
What is the significance of these facts?
The majority of Americans don't agree with the views of Sore Asshole on this, or any other subject
Sore Asshole is hopelessly incapable of logic and honesty as he spins for his Republican/Koch masters.
Sorry Dumbya, your view on a lot of things are in the minority.
If that were not so, the DNC would still control Congress, the majority of Governorships and State Legislation's.
And most telling, the movie American Sniper would not be a blockbuster and the First Lady would not have praised it.
While you're entitled to your opinion no matter how unpopular and wrong it may be, the majority of Americans do not agree with you.
Sorry Dumbya, your view on a lot of things are in the minority.
On some things, yes.
But as we've seen ample evidence, most Americans don't think Bush's war was worth it. Most Americans support constitutional safety nets for the general welfare. Most Americans support constitutional regulation of commerce.
And most Americans reject the Right/Koch agenda. They did so during the last Republican lock on government and continue to do so.
On all these issues, Sore Asshole is in the minority that wishes to impose a one-party dictatorship agenda against the will of most Americans.
This is fascism more than a democratic representative republic.
That sniper fellow was a lucky guy, he got to live out his psychopathic wet dream, killing people.
I believe he said he loved killing and when you get to what you love,you should be happy and fulfilled. Is that sick or what!
That a large portion of the people approved the Chaney/ Bush War Of Terror unleashed on small defenseless countries means we are becoming the Pol Pot nation.
I was shocked and dismayed that so many Christians supported the wholesale murder, torture, and mayhem of the Bush and Obama administrations.
How can you condone and support evil and love Jesus at the same time?
"That's what the war in Iraq was all about: a golden opportunity for a few obscenely wealthy bastards and bitches to become obscenely wealthier."
Well Tom, That's what just about every war in history has been about. The only surprise is that in this day of widespread education and instant communication, it keeps working. But then again, if you think about it, it's not really a surprise.
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering
So why does the average human fall for this crap? Year after year, century after century? Can the average human REALLY be that stupid?
Not stupid, actually, just a victim of genetics. It appears the a very few of us, maybe five percent of the population, have been given the incredible gift of being able to see the world as it actually is, not through the filter of preconceived notions, or “Rose Colored Glasses”. They have the ability to learn from experience, and not repeat the same mistakes time after time. They have the ability to make a logical decision based on what they observe, not fairy tales they have heard. On what what someone else does, not what they say.
War has always been a con job. Convincing the gullible to give up their time, health, and even lives so the wealthy few can prosper. From before the days of Roman “Bread and Circuses” to the present day nothing has really changed.
Arguably one of the best examples of this was the Civil War right here in America. Can you imagine, the one percent of the day, the plantation owners, convincing the poor white sharecroppers living in a dirt floor shack to fight and die for greater glory of the south? The “right” to own a slave? Yeah, that's a hoot, own a slave. Most of these sharecroppers couldn't rub two nickels together, much less buy a slave. But yet they went proudly marching off to war, blinders firmly on and eyes wide shut. And they died by the thousands. Can anyone say “Darwin Award”?
So now you claim you lost a friend? Not surprising. In addition to being gullible to the point of being dumb as a box of rocks, these people also share an inability to look at themselves in the mirror and think “boy, was I taken for a ride”. They are totally unable to admit they have been conned, fleeced, bamboozled, suckered, and pwned. Not to mentioned used then thrown away like the disposable broken tool the one percent consider them to be. In other words, they lack the ability to learn from their mistakes. How many of them say say would do it again?
“But I pity them more - much, much more.” I used to, but not any more. They are what they are, what nature made them. I can't change them, you can't change them, I don't believe any amount of education will change them. I gave up that idea a long time ago. As a young man, I liked to believe that “Someday they will hold a war, and no one will come” Fat chance!
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana
Now that was some seriously good writing!
You win the Rants best post award, Tom will inform you of what that entails.
You should give yourself a name, you deserve it.
"Most Americans support constitutional safety nets for the general welfare."
If you are talking about SS and medicare, you're correct, but I think you would be hard pressed to find support for the other actions of the Federal govt being fostered on them under the guise of Constitutional safety nets.
And if you investigate you will find young Americans do not think SS will be there for them. Most Americans do not trust govt programs to work efficiently as hopped for and to stay within budget.
Example, Ted Kennedy said about Medicare that it would never need fixing or run out of money.
That has not been the case.
Regardless, what you have done is support my view that classic liberalism has been destroyed by the Progressive movement that started in part when the SCUSA redefined the general welfare clause in the Constitution in the 1930's.
Finally, your attempting to paint me with some kind of Right/Koch agenda is the most stupid, partisan one party thing you have written. Simple stated, in the free market place of idea Radical Progressives can not tolerate any view, any idea that is not lock step with their agenda.
Face it, Obama said the 2014 midterms were about his policy's. Voters rejected that in the only poll that really counts.
The rest is pure window dressing on your part.
Now I have to go, got some Classic Liberals who need help in getting elected in 2016.
The battle for liberty from the heavy hand of government never ends.
Anonymous 10:26AM
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana
IE: Chamberlain, Hitler and "peace in our time"?
Try selling "Give Peace a Chance" to the Kurds.
"Most Americans support constitutional safety nets for the general welfare."
If you are talking about SS and medicare, you're correct,
Exactly. And the GOP/Koch agenda is to remove or privatize these against the wishes of most Americans.
Constitutional taxation for medical care goes way back before 1930.
in July of 1798, Congress passed, and President John Adams signed into law an act "For the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen," establishing the Marine Hospital Service.
This Federal government socialized healthcare insurance was funded by a tax that was withheld from the sailor’s pay, and then turned over to the government by the ship’s owner.
Wrong again, sport.
"The only poll that really counts" applies to Obama's re-election too.
Most Americans do not trust govt programs to work efficiently as hopped for and to stay within budget.
This is a propaganda point that the Right employs to de-fund the programs so they don't operate as efficiently as they could.
Your propagandist calls it "reducing government to where it can be drowned in a bathtub."
Note almost every time Sore Asshole invokes "most Americans" it is either a lie or unsupported opinion.
Once again, this is what "classic liberalism" looks like:
To be clear, this is the agenda the Kochs billion dollars for the next election is pushing:
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
• “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
• “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
• “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
• “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
• “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
• “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
• “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
• “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
• “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
• “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
• “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
• “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
• “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
• “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
• “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
• “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
• “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
• “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
• “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
• “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
• “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
• “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
• “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”
Simple stated, in the free market place of idea Radical Progressives can not tolerate any view, any idea that is not lock step with their agenda.
Projection the radical Right employs as the REFUSE TO COMPROMISE.
Ronald Reagan was strongly against Medicare. The Great Communicator even recorded an LP: "Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Speaks_Out_Against_Socialized_Medicine
He uses the same rhetoric that I still hear today against the Affordable Care Act. He even used a phony quote by the scary socialist Norman Thomas.
The weird thing is, nowadays fox news viewers over 65 love their medicare and social security.
Love that Reagan LP, Caprice. It's the funniest record since The Sick Humor of Lenny Bruce.
'Projection the radical Right employs as the REFUSE TO COMPROMISE."
Please provide examples of Radical Progressive compromise.
(With Obamacare bill, Obama veto threat count now stands at 10. USA 2/2/2015)
But really, that's not what Tom's post is about.
It's about his being uncomfortable with the movie American Sniper for the reasons he stated.
I have no issue with his reasons, after all they are his and as a Classic Liberal, I believe in diversity of opinions. I just do not believe his view is the view of the majority of Americans.
Yes Tom, it's a comedy classic, right up there with Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl.
Did you read the latest?
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"NY AG Eric Schneiderman instructed Target, GNC, Walgreens and Walmart to immediately cease selling a number of scam herbal supplements. An investigation revealed that best-selling supplements not only didn’t work, but were potentially dangerous, with four out of five of the products not even listing any herbs in their ingredients–instead, the supplements contained fillers including powdered rice, houseplants and asparagus. Fraudulent products include echinacea, ginseng, St. John’s wort, garlic, ginkgo biloba and saw palmetto.
In total, only 21 percent of store brand herbal supplements contained plants listed on the labels.
“Mislabeling, contamination and false advertising are illegal,” said Schneiderman. “They also pose unacceptable risks to New York families — especially those with allergies to hidden ingredients.”
These drugs are not subject to the F.D.A.’s approval because of a loophole in a 1994 federal law (spearheaded by Utah Sen. Orrin G. Hatch who received funding from supplement makers), fraudulent products can easily reach consumers without accountability or oversight."
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What I wonder is how the GOP candidates for president would address this problem. We know their motto is "The battle for liberty from the heavy hand of government never ends." ...But does that mean dietary supplements, pharmaceuticals, meat, our drinking water, etc., should not be inspected by government agencies? Are these manufacturers supposed to police themselves?
Are these manufacturers supposed to police themselves?
Of course. We can't have government with more power than corporations, can we?
Besides corporations are, by virtue of wealth, superior persons with superior rights of "free speech".
Therefore they are not only more responsible "persons" and citizens, but morally superior to mere humans.
Look at the Koch agenda for their true intentions.
"Classic liberalism" is the usurpation of power by the economic elites and the root of fascism, war and austerity.
Forge this "classic liberalism" monster with war mongering neo-liberal neo-cons and we have the recipe for the destruction of the economy, representative democracy, and our freedom.
"...All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering
Isn't it amazing that tta is EXACTLY what Bush/Cheney did with the Iraq war?
Thank YouAnonymous, for pointing out that it was Conservatives that used Nazi techniques against Americans.
AS for the Reagan album, it rates up there with "Reefer Madness" as an example of how right wing propaganda utimately ends up just being so ridiculous it becomes a JOKE.
If you are able to look at the Islamic Fascist Caliphate that is growing like a cancer from a distance you will is it is no different than Germany invading Poland or France.
It was and is a spectacle of torture and debauchery, if you read how innocent people are taken captive and beheaded you would have to agree.
To ignore the Islam Fascists is like the people who were afraid to confront Hitler.
I sure wish our President, who blew a real lot of smoke up our asses to get elected and still lies like a rug, could grow some balls to fight these radical Islamicals in the Middle East.
Maybe the big bullshitter in the White House would confront these people if his wife or one of his daughters were in an ISIS video about to have their head chopped off.
Any government that forces its free citizens to buy a product or service is a tyrannical one.
Sad day for America the day that the tyrannical law ObamaGruberCare got passed.
America is a rotten state ruled by people like Nancy Pelosi, every bit as corrupt as the Castros and Maduros of the world. Our Constitution once kept us safe from these people, but no more.
The most tyrannical part is how the lying goofball President can suspend, delay, ignore, and effectively rewrite the plain text of the law and no one seems to have any recourse. Hugo Chavez is in Hell laughing with delight at watching Obama abuse his executive power like a Banana Republic dictatorial thug.
Thank God there is only 2 more years of this lying steamy warm pile of Marxist dog shit we have for President.
IsIs sure are a nasty bunch but they would not exist if we left Saddam H in power. We opened Pandora's box and the world will pay a price for our arrogance.
If you are able to look at the Islamic Fascist Caliphate that is growing like a cancer from a distance you will is it is no different than Germany invading Poland or France.
I didn't make the above comment. ASSHOLE is sock puppeting again.
More dirty tricks from the party of Karl Rove, Dick Nixon and George W.
Again: To the asshole that keeps posting their anti-Obama bullshit with my name: FUCK YOU
Gee Dave Dubya @11:32 AM, what War Crimes are you referring to?
Congress approved both Wars, with Hillary at the front of the pack.
We can depend on Sore Asshole to exemplify how hateful and slimy Republicans can be.
"Values", you know.
Fascist "values".
JJ,
We know you don't pay attention.
Sore Asshole already played the idiotic Hillary/Iraq card.
Hillary the neo-con appeaser didn't start the war.
Bush did.
You confuse cheerleaders with players...among almost everything else.
I don't like any of the republicans currently available for 2016. Not so far. I'll actually vote for Clinton. She has an aggressive foreign policy, but liberal with social issues, like gay rights.
I disagree Harry. I'm forced to buy car insurance. I'm glad to be insured. And Obama may turn out to be one of our greatest presidents. I voted for him twice and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, if it wasn't for these stupid term limits.
Again in an attempt to keep the focus on the topic Tom presented us instead of waging war on views of those who disagree with the Radical Progressive agenda, I offer the following to support my stance that Tom's views are NOT the position of the majority of Americans.
From the Politico:
" MSNBC registered its lowest full-day rating in nearly a decade on Tuesday, a devastatingly low benchmark that shows just how severe the network’s decline has become.
The liberal cable news network drew an average of 55,000 viewers in the all-important 25-to-54 year-old demo on Tuesday, its lowest full-day rating since July 2005, according to Nielsen ratings provided by an industry source. CNN had nearly three times as many viewers in the demo; Fox News NEARLY FIVE times as many.
That low reflects a more general decline in recent years. In January, MSNBC’s daytime ratings for January were down 20 percent in total and 37 percent in the demo when compared to the previous year. In primetime, total viewership was down 23 percent, while the demo dropped by 39 percent."
I have yet been able to uncover a report where MSNBC disagreed with the positions of the DNC, President Obama and the Radical Progressives. For those who would claim the Politico is a rightwing slanted news source, that does not exempt MSNBC from the facts of their losing views. The numbers speak for themselves, regardless of who reports it.
MSNBC along with other news networks has yet to report on the announcement by the CPUSA plan to work with the DNC to defeat their opposition in the upcoming elections.
If the majority of Americans agreed with the news as reported by MSNBC, would their ratings be in the tank? I say no.
While I applaud Tom for having the intestinal fortitude to continue voice what is clearly now the MINORITY view, I believe it is just as important to show just how far out of step his views really are with the majority of Americans.
If the Radical Progressive controlled DNC was willing to compromise with the view of the Majority of Americans their downward trend might be halted. If this continues they face extinction.
JJ,
you forgot a few things,
You are NOT forced to buy a car
It is the law if the State you live in that requires you to buy car insurance, not the Federal govt.
The govt doesn't subsidize your car insurance payment with money taxed from someone else.
You are not forced to buy car insurance even if you don't need/own a car.
Sore Asshole has never grasped facts, logic and reason before. Why start now?
If the majority of Americans agreed with the news as reported by MSNBC...
Unlike FOX(R), MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than opinion.
Also unlike FOX(R), there is no "News" after MSNBC.
And where would FOX(R) ratings be if it were not foisted on the public as part of basic cable? What if people had to pay extra for it like MSNBC?
All this is outside the thinking of our Republican troll.
Note he flees from admitting he shares the Koch agenda.
They are the true radicals.
And speaking of FOX(R), Media Matters reports:
Fox News not only tossed aside its own clearly stated position about airing violent propaganda videos distributed by terrorists, it also became, according to The Guardian, the only American news organization this week to toil in the realm of marketing an execution.
Fox not only aired graphic images of a controversial Islamic State (ISIS) clip on its signature nightly news show, it embedded the gruesome, unedited video on its website, and provided lurid, play-by-play description of Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasaesbeh dying at the hands of his captures. (Shepard Smith: "Eventually the pilot collapses to his knees.")
This is just stunning. An American news organization hosting on its website an explicit terrorist video that captures the staged execution of an innocent hostage.
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
Well Dumbya, if that is the best you can be, so be it. But I think you are really rationalizing.
The fact that CNN beats MSNBC must mean something, but I guess since you can't blame the Koch's for that, why bring it up.
Or we could always do like the Jews in Nazi Germany did and hope they play nice they will be left alone, IE if we didn't report ISIS and their burning of people alive and beheading people and throwing gays to their death from towers and maybe they will play nice with us.
Hell, we have a President who will not call ISIS what they are yet ISIS still is beheaded Americans. Chamberlain much?
More importantly there is nothing you said that would indicate the majority of American agree with your argument that Fox News is to blame for the terror that ISIS is spreading.
There is great evil in this world that you seem to fear less than your fear of those who disagree with your politics or those who report the evil of ISIS.
Using your claim that by Fox news by reporting ISIS, they spread ISIS, would mean Edward R Murrow spread Nazism by reporting about them. Yet it does seem odd that ISIS is broadcasting over the internet without the help of Fox News their evil in order to spread their terror and with that terror their control.
Are MSNBC and CNN foisted on the American public as a part of basic cable? When I go to airports, the only news carried that I've seen has been CNN. I dont pay for any of the cable networks, suck if you have to.
You claim that MSNBC is NOT a news network? Better tell the folks at NBC Universal
then.
"MSNBC is an American basic cable and satellite channel that provides NEWS coverage and political opinion on current events. It is owned by the NBCUniversal News Group, a unit of the NBCUniversal Television Group division of NBCUniversal."
Wikipedia
P.S. do you still trust what Dan Rather and Brian Williams tell you as the truth?
Dave Dubya: "FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do."
One certainly can't prove FOX was abetting ISIS, but it's reasonable to conclude their actions were aiding ISIS.
My question: Can FOX be prosecuted for only aiding terrorism?...or does it have to be aiding and abetting?
Hillary Clinton and I were the first Americans to reach shore at Omaha Beach on D-Day.
We survived heavy fire with Hillary taking a few shots in the buttox.
We waited for enough troops and then scaled the cliffs to take out the German artillery bunkers.
Hillary Clinton and I were the first Americans to reach shore at Omaha Beach on D-Day.
We survived heavy fire with Hillary taking a few shots in the buttox.
We waited for enough troops and then scaled the cliffs to take out the German artillery bunkers.
My boyfriend Dave Dubya and I liked "American Sniper" so much that we are going to see it again at the theatre this weekend!
It looks like it may be AmeriKa's best movie of all time.
We just love Clint Eastwood.
Tom, you said that any posts by name thief's would be deleted, you never followed through on it.
These juvenile bullshit postings have nothing to do with free speech.
"Can FOX be prosecuted for only aiding terrorism?"
Go for JG, if you think you have a case. I hope you do and then Fox can use the power of the subpena to call witness, unless under the Radical Progressive rule of law that part of our legal code is dismissed. Using your claim that Fox News by reporting ISIS, they aided terrorism, would that mean Edward R Murrow aided Nazism by reporting about them.
Can we try Mr. Rather, Mr Williams and H. Clinton as they lied about their experiences in the war on Terror? Did their lies help the spread of ISIS?
Can we try Mr. Obama's last two Secy of States?
Can we subpena Mr. Hagel and Mr. Panetta for their experience as Secy of Defense and Director of the CIA under Obama?
But none of this changes the fact that the GOP now controls both Houses of Congress, the majority of State Governorships, the majority of State's Legislation, that MSNBC NEWS now ranks third behind first FOX and then CNN, that American Sniper is a blockbuster movie that millions of Americans have seen, that the First Lady, Michelle Obama praised 'American Sniper' at a Veterans Event, that the CPUSA has announced they were going to work with the DNC against the GOP and that your Progressive views are too Radical for the vast majority of Americans, and that all of these events support that fact.
So blame FOX News, blame the Kochs, the Tea Party, the BIG corporations, the SCUSA, the stupidity of the voters who dare vote against your politics, the lack of Net Neutrality, but I would think by now a reality check would be in order if I were you.
How to get a troll's panties in a wad:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This really riled him up. LOL How many names has he used now?
The hissy, whiney, amd angry distractions pour out of the Republican troll. The stupidity is astounding.
FOX(R) is no Ed Murrow. FOX(R) types would demonize him as a liberal commie for bringing down Right Wing Red-baiter Joe McCarthy.
Only FOX (R) would show such an execution by thugs. They make it their business to fan fears and hate.
Much more like what terrorists do, than what Edward Murrow would do.
Here's what Murrow would have said:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
No one said FOX was Ed Murrow. I simply asked that if FOX was helping ISIS spread their terror by reporting ISIS actions, was Murrow doing the same thing with his reports of the Nazi terror bombing of London?
To be clear that I understand what you are trying to claim, are you saying that if FOX News didn't report and let you decide on the acts of terror committed by ISIS, ISIS wouldn't be committing their acts of 7th century barbarism? Or are you saying if FOX news didn't report on the ISIS acts of terror, we wouldn't know about it, and therefore be safe, dumb, fat and happy? I'm trying to figure how telling us about ISIS terror has caused the spread of terrorist acts by ISIS.
(maybe I shouldn't rely on your answer as you said that MSNBC WAS NOT a NEWS network, and you were wrong.)
Jordon seems pretty pissed off at ISIS for burning their pilot alive, is that the result of a FOX news broadcast or an ISIS broadcast?
If you can't find your panties Dumbya, I could suggest where you could look for them, but I'm trying to stay on the subject that Tom selected for us, American Sniper. Sorry my doing so in my conversation with JG has caused such rage. You really should see a shrink about that some time.
I predict the next GOP presidential candidate will be Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.
He is pushing for a change in a law that is very important to almost all Conservatives.
He wants restaurant employees to have the right NOT to wash their hands when after leaving the bathroom.
Reducing government regulations is near and dear to most Conservatives so he is a slam dunk to win the nomination.
Stupidity on display:
I simply asked that if FOX was helping ISIS spread their terror by reporting ISIS actions, was Murrow doing the same thing with his reports of the Nazi terror bombing of London?
Note the deception: To show the film made by terrorists is to "report on" it.
Every other news source reported on it without airing the horrible act.
How would Sore Asshole feel if that pilot was an American, and his brother?
Two kinds of people want to show that stuff. FOX and ISIS. Period.
News flash:
Murrow never showed Nazi propaganda films.
FOX (R) shows ISIS films.
No difference?
He may have reported on them, but what kind of idiot thinks reporting on enemy actions is the same as showing the films they made to recruit and evoke fear?
Here's what Murrow would have said:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
After getting a tingle up their legs over a burned Jordanian pilot, the Right has a new victim to exploit.
It's possible US bombs killed American health care worker Kayla Mueller, held by ISIS.
Does Sore Asshole and FOX(R) want to show her mangled body to the world?
Or would they prefer to show her being shot or burned alive?
Ghouls. Right Wing ghouls.
These are the monsters who want a one-party dictatorship and the Koch agenda here too.
Kind of fun reading Dumbya and Mozart screaming at the top of their lungs when ever one of their sacred Radical Progressive cows gets punctured. Like FOX news has strengthen and spread Islamic terrorism.
Too bad that their holding their breath while stomping their feet doesn't change the fact that their views and policy's are not held by the majority of Americans. Should I give you evidenced of why, or have you got it yet?
Thought For THE Day,
If FOX News is so irrelevant and not important as a source of news, then why would their showing the Nazi like behavior of ISIS terrorism, cause a problem? After all it's just cable news and the broadcast news programs have many more viewers than FOX? Did ABC, NBC and CBS show the vile animal behavior of the followers of a 7th century war lord. or was it just FOX?
Kind of neat to see Dumbya stumble over his claim that MSNBC is not a news organization. I would add that with the B. Williams admission of having lied to us, the claim that any of NBC even HAS a news department is highly questionable. Say one thing for Mr. Williams his lie puts him in good company with former Secy of State Clinton and her lie about coming under fire.
Or Jonathan Gruber about Obamacare.
Good to see Mozart and Dumbya are still keeping it classy.
Tom Degan, I see you linked to "Everyday" on youtube. Great song. It seems the folks who created the holographic live performance of Tupac are now working on resurrecting Buddy Holly:
http://www.hologramusa.com/news/virtual-buddy-holly-appear-new-touring-show/
Should be interesting.
Here is a brief clip of Everyday performed live, recorded by an audience member on February 21, 1958. Unfortunately, only a fragment survives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWZizDBTMO4
Hmmm...
I don't recall "screaming at the top of my lungs" over anything on this site.
Maybe the boy troll mistook the laughter we experience at his ridiculous comments for screaming.
He insistes on bringing up Fox news "ratings" even though we have shown many times that "ratings" and "integrity" are connected and equal. They are not.Like we've said before, "Survivor" had good ratings. Jerry Springer had good ratings. It doesn't mean they should be taken seriously.
And Dave didn't "stumble" over anything, the boy troll is just not willing (or able) to grasp what he was saying.
So far I have not seen Williams or Clinton caught in any "lies".
I am reminded however, of Dan Rather being run out of HIS job for telling the TRUTH about Bush going AWOL from the Texas Guard (a job Daddy got him so he wouldn't have to actually FIGHT in Vietnam, like John Kerry did)
See, we are onto the boy troll's nonsense.
Want to find out what he'll say tomorrow? Watch 5 minutes of Fox news or listen to 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh (if you can stand it without puking)
As for the woman allegedly killed by ISIS or my an attack ON ISIS, MY question would be, WHAT WAS SHE DOING THERE IN THE FORST PLACE?
You see, to date, ISIS has never killed ONE American who was IN The United States.
You go to a war torn area where they clearly think killing Americans is the biggest prize, you take your own chances. If you poke a hornet's nest, don't expect me to cry if and when you get stung.
Sore Loser attacking my typos in 3...2...1...
Dumbya, Mozart
I'll give both of you one thing for sure,
You have never let reality or the truth get in the way of what you believe.
Keeping it classy as always.
Just remember, the GOP now controls both Houses of Congress by the largest majority in decades, the majority of Governors are Republicans and the majority of State legislation's are GOP controlled, American Sniper is a smash hit, the First Lady praised it, MSNBC is a news cable network, Prague is not the capital of Russia, the Communist Party USA agrees with your positions and wants to help you, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, Hillary Clinton (who claims she was named after the first person to scale Mt Everest, LOL) have all lied about being under fire, Mozart reads six newspapers a day, Jonathan Gruber lied about the ACA, and you really can't keep your Dr or your health plan if you like them.
All of this makes you believe that the majority of Americans support the programs of the DNC who, with the help of the CPUSA, want to put into effect.
I don't think so. (how many votes did candidates of the CPUSA get in the last midterm, duh?)
But the real problem is Fox News has reported the slaughters committed by Islamic terrorist group ISIS.
But NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS and PBS never reported a word or showed a video about it.
As if ISIS needed any help in spreading their terror.
Laughable.
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This truth stands...and the fact Sore Asshole and FOX Fools are ghouls.
The Killian documents controversy (also referred to as Memogate, Rathergate or Rathergate[1]) involved six purported documents critical of U.S. President George W. Bush's service in the Air National Guard in 1972–73. Four of these documents[2] were presented as authentic in a 60 Minutes Wednesday broadcast aired by CBS on September 8, 2004, less than two months before the 2004 Presidential Election, but it was later found that CBS had failed to authenticate the documents.[3][4][5] Subsequently, several typewriter and typography experts concluded the documents were blatant forgeries,[6][7] as have most media sources. No forensic document examiners or typography experts have authenticated the documents, and this may not be technically possible without original documents.[8] The purveyor of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS.[9]
Dan Rather: Truckload of Mossad Bombs Found on George Washington Bridge on 9/11
In the evening of 9/11, Dan Rather reported on, GASP CBS news, not FOX. A report that turned out to be totally false and unsubstantiated yet to this day. There you go again FOX News doing the work of terror for them.
During an introduction to a foreign policy speech on Iraq on March 17, 2008, Sen. Hillary Clinton reminisced about her days as first lady and a trip to Tuzla, Bosnia, she made in March 1996.
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
But that's not what happened, as demonstrated by CBS News video that shows Clinton arriving on the tarmac under no visible duress, and greeting a child who offers her a copy of a poem.
For years, Brian Williams had been telling a story that wasn’t true(GASP< does that mean it was a "lie"?). On Wednesday night, he took to his anchor chair on “NBC Nightly News” to apologize for misleading the public.
NYT
Now, for some more personal attacks on me, that's the way a bully does things.
Got to wondering Mozart, about your spells of absence, it's almost like you work the same schedule as a firefighter.
If you are a firefighter, thank you for your service.
Dumbya, the truth remains, you are a first class idiot.
Dumbya, remember when Mozart said one of his news sources was Rachel Maddow from MSNBC, now he claims in defense of you that I MISUNDERSTOOD what you said.
No wonder the MAJORITY of Americans do not share your Radical Progressive views.
Quote of the Day:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. Enquire of the Teachers of Christianity for the ages in which it appeared in its greatest lustre; those of every sect, point to the ages prior to its incorporation with Civil policy." - James Madison
Quote of the Day:
"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. (See the cases in which negatives were put by J M on two bills passd by Congs and his signature withheld from another. See also attempt in Kentucky for example, where it was proposed to exempt Houses of Worship from taxes."
- James Madison
Fox’s media critic, Howard Kurtz:
"But I disagree with the Fox decision and here’s why. ISIS—I fear that many of us in the media are helping ISIS spread its propaganda, using its fear tactics. And I felt the same way with the beheading video, still images of which became almost like wallpaper for every story about ISIS. And when that tactic became so familiar, these terrorists, these butchers, went to the even more sick and depraved and barbaric method of burning a man to death. And I just have a concern that we are helping spread the fear that ISIS so badly wants to spread."
In 2004, host Bill O’Reilly declared, “the TV network Al Jazeera helps al Qaeda and other killers by broadcasting their executions propaganda.”
In 2006, Fox criticized CNN for airing footage of American soldiers being killed in Iraq, declaring they would not air the same footage and noting that “some people say the airing of what they call a terrorist propaganda video has actually put American soldiers in danger.”
Dave Dubya:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This truth stands..
FOX(R) agrees...and disagrees, but that's how the radical Right operates. They always want it both ways.
"Values", doncha know?
All that was actually proven was that the documents were PHOTOCOPIES. Only the GOP spokesmen and Fox news labeled them as "forgeries". Interesting that Bush's military records are sealed in DADDY'S library and cannot be opened for 100 years.
As for the GOP "victory" and the "popularity" of the sniper propaganda film, (not to mention GOP "election victories")those things have already been explained to you several times, yet you keep bringing them up as if you haven't heard (or read) a thing anyone has said.
Thank you for proving so well how far into the "bubble" you are.
And MSNBC IS a "news" network, they just don't have it in the title. THAT is what Dave was saying and clearly you STILL can't comprehend.
Or do you get it but are trying to twist it into something else, like an Obama speech about COMMUNITY being twisted into the only phrase conservatives heard...
"You didn't build that".
Like if Fox REALLY were "fair and balanced" they wouldn't need to put it in their tag.
Everyone KNOWS MSNBC is news by the way they report.
Fox needs to convince people because even THEY know what they say is 90% BULLSHIT. get it?
Leftists like Obama take it as a matter of faith that most of the wars and suffering in the world come from religious people (especially Christians). Talk to any undergrad who just had their first political science class with a 60s radical professor. It doesn't occur to them that Hitler, Stalin, the Kims, and Pol Pot are products of the very socialist thought that informs their own opinions. Christianity on the other hand radically reformed the value system of Europe and eventually, transforming the warrior and citizen morality with concepts such as equality before God and eventually the law, forgiveness, mercy, and love of those outside your tribe. Without these concepts how could the Enlightenment and the development of the liberal democratic system even happen?
"Christianity radically reformed the value system of Europe and eventually, transforming the warrior and citizen morality with concepts such as equality before God and eventually the law, forgiveness, mercy, and love of those outside your tribe."
Yes, I'm sure those people who experienced the Spanish inquisition, (not to mention victims of the Crusades), were especially enlightened.
And imagine the joy of the slaves who at least got to be "equal before God" while their Christian masters were making their lives a livoing Hell.
The House Select Committee on Benghazi announced that both DEMOCRATS and Republicans want to schedule the appearance of Hillary Clinton “as soon as possible.”
But first, says Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., the State Department must provide documents originally subpoenaed in 2013 so the materials can be reviewed in order to “constructively ask questions of Secretary Clinton.”
Among the materials sought: documents related to the State Department’s Accountability Review Board investigation and other relevant emails and documents in the possession of the State Department.
For the first time, the committee has also disclosed a partial list of executive branch, military, intelligence and State Department witnesses it intends to interview beginning as early as April 1. It includes Clinton’s top aides Cheryl Mills and Jake Sullivan."
Elections results have consequences.
Hey, who knows maybe they will ask Hillary what the sound of a bullet going by sounds like since she said she had to duck gunfire while in the Balkans?
"MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than opinion"
Dave Dumbya.
Sounds pretty clear to me, Dumbya is saying MSNBC is NOT a news network but an opinion network. Which means that Mozart gets his OPINIONS from Maddow, but he thinks he's getting the news. Explains a lot.
Is it any wonder then that the ratings of the OPINION Network, MSNBC, IS TANKING?
Mr. President, Medieval Christian Threat Is Under Control, Take Care Of Radical Islamic Threat, Today!
San Francisco’s Borderlands Books will be forced to close as the city increases its minimum wage, and its owner Alan Beatts is tired of being criticized for talking about it.
“Most critics say ‘how dare you blame the minimum wage increase for you closing,’” he told the Washington Free Beacon. “It’s bullshit.”
“They’re either calling me a liar of chastising me for telling the truth.”
Borderlands is a specialty bookstore that has been able to carve out a niche in San Francisco for the past 18 years. It has been able to support a staff of five, most of whom have been working together for more than a decade.
Beatts said he made a mere $28,000 in gross salary last year.
With the added labor costs the city’s new minimum wage will eventually impose on the business, and the fact that books come pre-priced leaving no room for price increases, Mr. Beatts sees no way it can survive.
More unemployed for the Obama soup line.
But in the Radical Progressive's mind, the problem is Fox News.
Laughable.
Fox’s media critic, Howard Kurtz:
"But I disagree with the Fox decision and here’s why. ISIS—I fear that many of us in the media are helping ISIS spread its propaganda, using its fear tactics. And I felt the same way with the beheading video, still images of which became almost like wallpaper for every story about ISIS. And when that tactic became so familiar, these terrorists, these butchers, went to the even more sick and depraved and barbaric method of burning a man to death. And I just have a concern that we are helping spread the fear that ISIS so badly wants to spread."
In 2004, host Bill O’Reilly declared, “the TV network Al Jazeera helps al Qaeda and other killers by broadcasting their executions propaganda.”
In 2006, Fox criticized CNN for airing footage of American soldiers being killed in Iraq, declaring they would not air the same footage and noting that “some people say the airing of what they call a terrorist propaganda video has actually put American soldiers in danger.”
Dave Dubya:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This truth stands..
FOX(R) agrees...and disagrees, but that's how the radical Right operates. They always want it both ways.
"Values", doncha know?
Obama is not a Christian. He is not Muslim. He is a sophist. His recent Empty Suit speech from his teleprompter with a laundry list of the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc. is the same one used (fallaciously) by atheists and other anti-Christian, anti-religion pseudo-intellectuals. The problem is that the argument is clever, thus many fall for it.
His anti-religion arguments are the same caliber as his political arguments. Making everything a free right to the Low Information Voters while conveniently omitting the concomitant costs and responsibilities is the basis of liberalism. Clever arguments but devoid of any intellectual substance. It's how Democrats get elected.
Does the boy troll EVER post anything RELEVENT?
At least Maddow backs up her "opinions" with researchable facts. She gives her sources. She doesn't wait for Rush Limbaugh to pull something out of his ass, and then report it as "fact" saying "It's been said that..." or "Could it BE that...?"
Plus, MSNBC does not give failed politicians a microphone to spew their propaganda until a couple months before the next election.
MSNBC never had to put "Fair and balanced" in their tag to convince people.
And anyone who can't live on $28,000 a year needs to learn how to handle money.
Also, if you can't afford to pay employees a fair wage, you need to get out of whatever business you are in, or do it yourself.
Conservatives were quick to attack people for "buying houses they couldn't afford" but defend people that start businesses they can't afford.
Chuck, please tell us the name of the last President who didn't use a teleprompter.
I'll save you the trouble. It was Eisenhower.
The fact that you even mentioned it shows you are too stupid to take seriously.
Plus his comments at the "PRAYER BREAKFAST were not "anti religion" they were "anti BIGOTRY"
Are YOU a "Christian"? Can I assume you agree with and support the KKK? They call themselves a "Christian" organization.
Do you support the Westborough Baptists? What about the 7th Day Adventists, who are so batshit they allow their kids to die rather than take them to a doctor?
All Obama was saying is that not ALL Muslims are terrorists, and that Christianity has a horrible and violent past. Go figure your heroes at Fox news would twist that into an "attack on religion"
Though I would have even MORE respect for Obama if he DID attack religion for what it is. A means of crowd control using fear and superstition to sell obedience.
If anyone ever wanted to know what and how a Radical Progressive mind works and what their policy's are, just read the posts of Mozart at 10:46 and 10:53 AM.
If anyone wanted to understand the deep hatred a Radical Progressive holds against anyone who dares tell the truth about their close relationship with the CPUSA, just read Dumbya's posts where he ignores the lies being told by NBC and continues to attack FOX for reporting the news.
"I remember landing under sniper fire," Clinton said. "There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
Maybe Brian Williams can be her running mate in 2016.
While I don't condone embellishing a sory for political gain, which is worse, what Williams and Clinton ALLEGEDLY did (or didn't do) or Bush going AWOL from the Texas guard, and most of his administration dodging the draft and THEN promoting war where other people's kids and parents got to war so "defense contractors" (which used to be called war profiteers) can get richer?
Get all that troll?
And maybe instead of just attacking me personally, why don't you tell us SPECIFICALLY where my FACTUAL statements are wrong?
Stop deflecting and put your money where your mouth is.
Years ago I was flying over my native Mississippi in a Chinook and saw some Vietnamese fisherman preparing to crucify two black men. I briefly considered dropping down to help, but then reprimanded myself -- who was I to judge these poor Asian immigrants, given my native South's sins? So I satisfied myself with a Moon Pie and RC cola.
Obama's ancestors were Arabic slave traders, the same people who enslave Africans today.
As for the Crusades, they were launched to stop the spread of Islam during the "First Great Jihad".
Can you imagine what the world would look like today if the Crusades HAD NOT taken place?
The voice of hate and ignorance still hasn't acknowledged the contradictions of FOX (R) and the truth I wrote:
Fox’s media critic, Howard Kurtz:
"But I disagree with the Fox decision and here’s why. ISIS—I fear that many of us in the media are helping ISIS spread its propaganda, using its fear tactics. And I felt the same way with the beheading video, still images of which became almost like wallpaper for every story about ISIS. And when that tactic became so familiar, these terrorists, these butchers, went to the even more sick and depraved and barbaric method of burning a man to death. And I just have a concern that we are helping spread the fear that ISIS so badly wants to spread."
In 2004, host Bill O’Reilly declared, “the TV network Al Jazeera helps al Qaeda and other killers by broadcasting their executions propaganda.”
In 2006, Fox criticized CNN for airing footage of American soldiers being killed in Iraq, declaring they would not air the same footage and noting that “some people say the airing of what they call a terrorist propaganda video has actually put American soldiers in danger.”
Dave Dubya:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This truth stands..
FOX(R) agrees...and disagrees, but that's how the radical Right operates. They always want it both ways.
"Values", doncha know?
I love it when idiots like Asshole Chuck try to lecture on history.
He ignores the cruelty and death that Christians spread by inquisition and crusades.
In fact the crusades FAILED. What they succeeded in was uniting Arab/Muslim factions.
Gee, sound familiar?
Don't forget this fact. "Hero" Chris Kyle would likely be alive today if not for Bush's war of aggression for crony profit and political gain.
He served, and died, for the lies and liars.
His killer was a PTSD casualty which made Kyle just another fatality of the catastrophic "Iraqi Freedom".
The long line of death by "Christian" Republican Rule continues...
If the USA was a Christian Nation we'd be nonviolent, take care of the sick/poor & stop executing sinners.
Chuck's ancestors are the same as Sore Loser's - the folks standing in front of a confederate flag (the american swastika) yelling "radical progressives! communists!" while blocking black children from an education.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2] It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
President Clinton stated in February 1998:
Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production....
I just don't understand how Iraq had WMDs when Bill Clinton was President but not when George Bush was President.
Can any of my "leaning forward" friends explain that or are we just rewriting history again for the marxist cause?
Still playing the stale "Clinton card" for BUSH's criminal invasion based on lies.
I just don't understand how Iraq had WMDs when Bill Clinton was President but not when George Bush was President.
Only a willfully confused Right Winger could be this stupid and ignorant of all the weapons inspectors' reports.
And Bush alone ordered the invasion, after the corporate media and Right had 70% of Americans duped into thinking Saddam had "ties" to al-Qaeda and was behind 9-11.
The left has been writing & teaching its brand of history for years now.
"Whoever controls the past is able to control the future."
That was one of Orwell's warnings in his famous novel, "1984." Winston Smith, the protagonist, had a job at the "Ministry of Truth." His job was to make-up lies. To rewrite history for the government. The state was constantly rewriting history.
King Barry now lies so much, we don't know when he is telling the truth. His latest condemnation of the violence of Christianity that occurred long ago while putting his head in the sand about the cancerous spread of Islamic Fascism in the world is a disgrace.
Islam was on a bloody march 400 years before the first Crusade. The Crusades were a military response to centuries of turning the other cheek.
Get the President a good historical adviser, maybe even someone from Harvard.
Muslims were attacking Christians for four centuries before the First Crusade. The Crusades ended before 1300, but Muslims are still attacking Christians, Jews, Yezidis, and secularists in the 21st century. Obama turns a blind eye to historical perspective.
It is indeed true that violence has been done in the name of Christianity, but it is difficult to find any warrant for it in the words of Christ as recorded in the New Testament. On the other hand, the Koran repeatedly enjoins Muslims to slaughter infidels. Mahomet himself was a successful military leader and carried out numerous killings, including wholesale massacres of Jews. None of the founders of other religions had such a record of violence.
Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, and other violent and bloodthirsty sectarian groups may not be typical of all Muslims, but it can't be said that they have nothing to do with Islam. They appeal to the undisputed text of their faith's holy book and to the example of their faith's founder - today, in 2015, just as they did in 732 when Charles Martel turned them back at the battle of Tours. I would like President Obama - JUST ONCE - to acknowledge this.
Although I am supportive of Mr. Obama in general, his comments concerning the Crusades show his ignorance of history. The Crusades were largely a response to centuries of Muslim aggression aimed at Christians in the Middle East and Europe. If you think Islam is morally equivalent to Christianity, try building a church in Saudi Arabia, or sending Mormon missionaries there.
I just want everybody here to know that under ObamaCare if you like your Doctor and Health Plan you will be able to keep them.
Chuck lies.
Obama Syllogism:
1. Atrocities were committed in the name of Christianity on a wide scale 900 years ago but no longer happen today.
2. Atrocities have been and still are committed in the name of Islam on a wide scale world wide basis.
3. Ergo all religions are equally guilty and no one has the standing to criticize the 2000 or so people who are slaughtered each month in the name of the Prophet.
So runs the sloppy logic of the loony left of which our dear leader is a charter member.
4,000 Americans died for these lies:
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
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And I got to keep my plan and doctor.
Mozart,
It is they ADMITTED to have done.
Idiot.
JJ,
You do not know me. You only assume to know me. How very bigoted of you.
Typical use of the race card by a Radical Progressive, when they can't win the debate, call your opponent a racist. That no longer works and if nothing else proves that, just remember the results of the last two midterms elections in which the GOP took control from the moonbatshit crazy DNC and their allies, the Communist Party USA.
American is rejecting your policy's and programs. You are not now nor have you ever been "mainstream".
Laughable
James Hansen
@ 3:29 PM
You are 100% correct, thanks for having the guts to say it!
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2] It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
President Clinton stated in February 1998:
Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production....
I just don't understand how Iraq had WMDs when Bill Clinton was President but not when George Bush was President.
Can any of my "leaning forward" friends explain that or are we just rewriting history again for the marxist cause?
Dumbya, can you answer Confused Progressive's question!
Dumbya, is MSNBC a news channel?
Mozart,
" there was no "great Jihad". Just the Catholic Church trying to take Jeruselem away from those living there.
The Catholic Church STARTED the Crusades"
Do you stand by your statement?
If so spend 5 minutes 7 seconds of you worthless time and become educated about what happened.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Well Mr. James Hansen since I didn't use your name but only agreed with a quote of yours, I dont know what to take of your instruction to copulate with myself.
Is that a new Radical Progressive greeting?
Plus, who the hell watches live tv? I don't even have cable anymore.
I didn't think it possible, but Obama knows less about history than he does about economics. Would someone explain to this ignorant schmuck that the Crusades were an attempt to take back the Holy Land from murderous Muslims that had invaded and occupied it.
By the way, did Obama give us an estimate of when Islam might end its 1400 year long (so far) jihad to conquer the globe?
I guess they were casting asperaptions in asparagus.
I still see conservatives claim there were WMDs in Iraq. The Bush Administration admitted they weren't there. They claimed over & over again they were a threat & the true believers still do even when their leaders said, nope, not there. It's maddening.
Once you win the factual debate that there were no WMDs. They call you obsessed with the Iraq war. Umm.. No we were called traitors for questioning the war & Bush's policies. That's 'blaming America', but calling Obama a communist Muslim who wasn't born in the us? That's patriotic.
You can't win with these psychotics.
Yes, boy troll, I stand by that statement as I stand by ALL my statements.
Harry, the "Murderous Muslims" had the same right to that land as anyone else. The Catholic Church started the Crusades. The Muslims didn't attack the Vatican.
It's hilarious how they are EXACTLY like you though! THEIR book says THEIR God gave THEM the land.
So why don't you just give up all the religious crap? Don't you see how ridiculous it is? If we could magically eliminate religion ALL the problems in the middle east would disappear.
Dr. Bill Warner. An ultra right wing American religious fruitloop, rewriting history to take the blame of the Crusades away from the Catholic Church. He's a complete nutbag.
We are not buying the BS Boy troll.
Sore Loser, it's "POLICIES" not "policy's"
If you are going to be the spelling and grammar police, you MIGHT want to get your Mom to proofread your stuff. Maybe she can do it while you are having your nap.
Still always standing by your words Mozart? "Alleged" lies Mozart? Do you realize that you are again dead wrong? Do you still stand by your words Mozart that "there was no "great Jihad".
"Islam was on a bloody march 400 years before the first Crusade. The Crusades were a military response to centuries of turning the other cheek."
Do you click my name or go the Youtube link I gave you? www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Come on Mozart, is Prague the capital of Russia? Do you stand by those words like you claim to stand by every word you have said?
Not posting so much this morning out there Iowa, must be getting a jump on the six papers you read a day to be informed. Or maybe your watching reruns of your news broadcaster Rachel Maddow on the per Dumbya, the non news network, NSMBC.
Remember telling us that Mozart?
"On Jan. 30, an NBC Nightly News clip was posted to Facebook in which Williams repeated a story he had told previously about having been in the helicopter that was hit and went down during the Iraq invasion. After the story was questioned, Williams apologized on Wednesday's Nightly News, saying that his helicopter was following the one that was hit."
Tremor,
"I still see conservatives claim there were WMDs in Iraq"
Not really, just giving the quotes from the Clinton's. I report, you decide. Did you believe the Clinton's were telling the truth then or were they lying? Which one is it Tremor? Come on well educated radical Progressive, share with us your CPUSA issued talking points! Or you deny they said those quotes?
As to Jeb if you have been recently reading this blog, you would know that I said if Jeb runs, I would not vote for him.
Is that the best you can do Tremor?
So what else you got?
My oh My, Obama has killed more that the Spanish Inquisition.
On Monday of this week the Bureau of Investigative Journalism published their annual study of deaths from U.S. drone strikes, and reported the following:
At least 2,464 people have now been killed by US drone strikes OUTSIDE the country’s declared war zones since President Barack Obama’s inauguration six years ago, the Bureau’s latest monthly report reveals.
Of the total killed since Obama took his oath of office on January 20 2009, at least 314 have been civilians, while the number of confirmed strikes under his administration now stands at 456.
Research by the Bureau also shows there have now been nearly nine times more strikes under Obama in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than there were under his predecessor, George W Bush.
According to Wikipedia there were 1303 executions during the 300 year Spanish Inquisition. Another study put the execution total at around 2000 deaths.
Who is spreading ISIS Islamic terrorism?
Who is spreading ISIS Islamic terrorism?
Fox’s media critic, Howard Kurtz:
"But I disagree with the Fox decision and here’s why. ISIS—I fear that many of us in the media are helping ISIS spread its propaganda, using its fear tactics. And I felt the same way with the beheading video, still images of which became almost like wallpaper for every story about ISIS. And when that tactic became so familiar, these terrorists, these butchers, went to the even more sick and depraved and barbaric method of burning a man to death. And I just have a concern that we are helping spread the fear that ISIS so badly wants to spread."
In 2004, host Bill O’Reilly declared, “the TV network Al Jazeera helps al Qaeda and other killers by broadcasting their executions propaganda.”
In 2006, Fox criticized CNN for airing footage of American soldiers being killed in Iraq, declaring they would not air the same footage and noting that “some people say the airing of what they call a terrorist propaganda video has actually put American soldiers in danger.”
Dave Dubya:
FOX helped ISIS spread their terror. Just what ISIS wanted them to do.
This truth stands..
FOX(R) agrees...and disagrees, but that's how the radical Right operates. They always want it both ways.
"Values", doncha know?
If I were to refer to a professor on the crusades, it would be a history professor, not a math guy with a right wing religious/political agenda.
No wonder the radical right hates educators.
4,000 Americans died for these lies:
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
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And I got to keep my plan and doctor.
Dumbya,
Where do you get all your "facts"?
Brian Williams
Dan Rather
Or the cable opinion network MSNBC?
P.S.
Did your sources of "facts" tell you about the GOP in control of Congress, the Majority of State Governorships, the Majority of State Legislation's, that American Sniper is a box office smash hit? Did they tell you the CPUSA is joining forces with the DNC in the war against our Constitution?
Did they tell you the reason you got to keep your Dr and your health care insurance was because you belong to a govt employee union?
“Ideologies aren't all that important. What's important is psychology.
The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That's why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don't have a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want.
The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn't have a clue than there were Republicans.
Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you're smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That's why I'm a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.”
― James Carville
Goes hand in hand with what Jonathan Gruber said about the need to lie in order to get the ACA passed.
It's just a reflex at this point. Any time Obama states an opinion they have to compete with each other to see who disagrees the loudest.
Obama: Please protect your children against potentially deadly or debilitating diseases.
GOP: You're not the boss of me!
Obama: It's a beautiful day today.
GOP: IT'S RAINING BLOOD!!
I hope that Obama concludes his next major speech with the line “And remember folks, it is essential that you continue to breathe."
At least I don't get my history "facts" from a non-history professor.
As Sore Asshole demands, "Where do you get all your "facts"?, he spews more false radical Right propaganda.
Sore Asshole is telling more lies.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp
He is a liar and an idiot.
But we all know this.
So now we have proven the Republican troll, like his Party, is dishonest, willfully ignorant, and unwilling to acknowledge or apologize for the falsehoods he spews.
Republican "values" on display. I call evil and dishonesty for what they are. The GOP couldn't exist without those "values".
This is what his one-party dictatorship has to offer our country:
Lies, treachery, economic ruin for the middle class, treason and death.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and four thousand Americans died for these documented lies:
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
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And they want the power to collapse our economy and wage endless war for crony profit all over again.
Apathetic and low information voters are allowing it. Like the takeover of the House, the Senate was taken with more Americans voting for Democrats.
This is not the "will of the people".
It is manipulation of a rigged system that favors certain states and gerrymandered districts with proportionally greater "representation".
A dictatorship by minority rule.
The Boy troll is all upset about Brian Williams. Hmmm...
I don't condone what Williams ALLEGEDLY did, but as long as Fox News is still allowed to spew outright lies, I don't see how we can get upset over Williams embellishing a story for dramatic effect.
Wasn't it just a short while ago that Glenn beck had his little "rally" in DC and Fox news inserted crowd shots from another event to give the impression there was a bigger crowd than actually attended?
And after the Benghazi tragedy, wasn't Fox news who showed a pic of "the ambassador's body being dragged through the streets by the terrorists " when in fact it was a pic of townspeople carrying him to a truck so they could get him to a hospital?
Why is it that only "liberal" reporters are expected to NEVER deviate from absolute facts?
Maybe that's WHY the Williams incident upsets us so much. Even the right depends on people like him for FACTUAL REPORTING because they KNOW Fox isn't going to provide it.
BTW, It turned out that Dan Rather was telling the TRUTH about Dubya going AWOL from the Texas Guard. I guess if your Daddy is CIA director you can get away with anything. The deserter (and draft dodger) gets to be SELECTED President (and in the process accusing a REAL combat vet of being a liar), and the honest reporter that exposed the CRIME got fired and ridiculed.
Welcome to GOP America.
Oh, I see it is ALLEGED that Carville said that.
And any source that disagrees with the dangerous Radical Progressive agenda is
"far right wing propaganda".
Laughable.
Yes Boy troll, your far right propaganda IS "laughable". The problem is that people like you suck it up and never RESEARCH to see if it's bullshit. Fox news DEPENDS on that.
I ask again, WHY DOES BRIAN WILLIAMS HAVE TO LEAVE HIS JOB WHEN FOX NEWS HAS A POLICY OF LYING?
Oh, and please refer us to where I said Carville "allegedly said" anything.
I said Williams "allegedly lied". not that I don't think he did, but I still wonder what all the outrage from Republicans is about. WHen A Republican is caught lying Fox offers them a talk show.
When a Dem lies he gets fired.
Amazing that you have to dig deep to find something to critisize Dems about.
How much time do you spend doing this? Do you work for Rush Limbaugh? If not, you should demand payment for carrying his water.
Update.
Carville is on Fox news now. Yeah, he's a Democrat.
If he plays the Fox game, they will let him talk. If he tries to disagree with them, he'll be another Alan Colms. Allowed to sit and listen, but if he disagrees he'll be shouted down and ridiculed.
The pilot of a helicopter on which NBC News anchor Brian Williams flew in Iraq said on Thursday that the aircraft did take some fire in 2003, adding another twist to a story that the newsman was forced to recant and apologize for this week.
Pilot Rich Krell told CNN's Brian Stelter that Williams had some of the facts right, but did make some mistakes in telling the story.
Williams issued multiple apologies on Wednesday night for saying that he was in a helicopter that was hit by a rocket propelled grenade while covering the Iraq War in 2003. He admitted he was in a different helicopter and blamed the errors on "the fog of memory."
But Krell appeared to back up at least some of what Williams has said during repeated tellings of the story over the past decade, even if the anchor did get some things wrong. The most striking thing that Krell said was that the military helicopter Williams was riding in did in fact come under enemy fire, though it was not from an RPG.
"Some of things he's said are not true. But some of the things they're saying against him are not true either," Krell told CNN.
Their helicopter was second in a formation of three aircraft carrying bridge parts, according to Krell. The first helicopter was hit with the RPG attack, which Williams likely did not witness from his seat in the back of the chopper.
All three of the helicopters were hit by small arms fire, however, according to Krell.
"The bridge expansions we were hauling took most of the hits," Krell told CNN.
The helicopter on which Williams was riding then dropped off the bridge parts before catching up to the other two aircraft and landing.
OMG, MOZART is watching FOX NEWS!!!
Or at least he is allegedly.
He also alleges that Fox News lies and Republicans are allowed to lie on Fox News.
Allegedly, great word, thank for showing me its great applications AND diverse uses Mozart.
Name a DEM who got fired for lying?
Did Bill Clinton?(I did not have sex")
Did Hillary?( I had to duck gunfire)
Did Obama? (too many to list)
Did Kirsten Gillibrand when she said on January 24, 2013, on MSNBC
"Today, about 40 percent of guns are purchased without a background check."
Did ABC News after shamefully admitting falsehoods in one of its Benghazi stories.
Did Nancy Pelosi, oops yes she did get fired from Speaker of the House due to GOP taking control of the House.
Was Bill Clinton lying when he said in 1998
"Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production...."
Or telling the truth?
Or should he blame GWB for lying to him, oh wait, GWB was in office ALLEGEDLY after Clinton's two terms. Allegedly.
And your favorite lie, is about GWB going AWOL.
Rather got fired from CBS BECAUSE the documents were true or because he didn't vet them and they were fake, or because of the following?
"No forensic document examiners or typography experts have authenticated the documents, and this may not be technically possible without original documents. The purveyor of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS."
Amazingly they got burned. Allegedly burned like Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger who was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them" (CNN) because he allegedly put them in his brief case and forgot about them until he was at home and then when he found them instead of turning them back in he allegedly destroyed them.
O know, I must be allegedly been listening to Limbaugh or Beck to come up with all of this, but, neither have shows on Sundays, allegedly.
JJ
You realize all of what you just wrote is allegedly what happened but that B Williams has admitted he lied and apologized for same?
Why apologize for something you admitted to have done if you allegedly didn't do it?
Oh, I see it is ALLEGED that Carville said that.
This is his version of an apology for spreading lies?
It was FALSELY alleged, asshole. A LIE.
Pure evil.
I think its great that Scott Walker came out on top of the Des Moines/Bloomberg poll after the Iowa Freedom Summit.
Scott Walker is turning Wisconsin around so that it doesn't sink to the bottom like Michigan, Illinois and other States run by Progressive Governors.
He fought the greedy public-employee unions in Wisconsin where negotiations for contracts never included the people paying the bill, the TAX PAYER.
Walker says the safety net should be not a hammock but a trampoline.
His stands on public-employee unions result from application of common sense. Teacher layoffs should be determined not by seniority, but by merit. Public-employee unions shouldn’t be allowed to insist that school districts buy expensive health from a union-crony–controlled firm.
But now Americans have seen firsthand the failures of socialism. Corporatism, bailouts, central planning have culminated in ObamaCare and Dodd Frank (that is killing Small Business). They have had enough of the Bush dynasty with their Agenda21 and the Obama/Clinton with their Marxism and nationalization of the economy.
Walker and Cruz are as much a backlash against the Bush corporatist and Agenda21 central planners as the collectivism and totalitarianism of Clinton and Obama.
Walker is the New Normal. After a flashy, empty narcissist, normal is just what America wants for a President!
Scott Walker For President 2016!
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.
Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.
OF course I tune in occasinally to Fox.I'm a Liberal, I check as many sources as I can find for information, unlike conservatives, who ONLY rely on ultra conservative sources that tell them exactly what to think, and who to fear, and then reenforce THAT instead of reporting accurately.
I noticed you completely ignored the POINT, which was that Fox lies as a result of POLICY and you support them.
But let someone else embellish a true story (which I do not condone, news reporters should stick to facts) and suddenly you cons are OUTRAGED!
WHY DOES WILLIAMS HAVE TO GIVE UP HIS JOB FOR THE SAME REASONS FOX HOSTS ARE AWARDED JOBS?
Clinton was impeached for lying to congress.
Hillary was under fire, though it wasn't as bad as she said it was.
Name an ACTUAL Obama "lie". Leave out the false ones Fox news promotes.
ONE "Falsehood" in ONE story and ABC has to eat it. Fox lies ALL THE TIME and you support them.
And Williams apologized for his mistake. WHEN HAS A FOX NEWS ANCHOR APOLOGIZED FOR ANYTHING?
And "Wiliie from Wisconsin", Scot walker is a BATSHIT TEABAGGER who is "bringing Wisconsin back" by screwing the poor and middle class, while handing control of the state over to the Kochs. Go ahead, vote for a guy who got 15% support from YOUR PARTY two years before an election. There are about 30 candidates for GOP nomination at this point. Fine, Walker is CURRENTLY top of the shitpile, but he's still PART of the pile.
"Americans have seen firsthand the failures of socialism. Corporatism, bailouts, central planning..."
You DO realize that all these things are CONSERVATIVE policies right?
And Dodd-Frank was rendered gutless before it was even made into law. Then it's been mostly defunded by the GOP House, so who's kiklling small business? The law was designed to reign in bad banking practices. the GOP wants to go back to the same policies that crashed the economy (for all but the uber rich, they did fine)
As for the Crusades, it's been common knowledge that they were staterd by the Catholic Church for centuries. But NOW that "Mooslums" have been made Public enemy #1 by the right, they HAVE to be blamed for the Crusades so the Christian right can be labeled "heroes".
Scott Walker will do great in red state primaries, but will be obliterated in a natinal election unless the GOP can find a way to steal it for him (see 2000 and 2004 selections)
The Republican troll is stupidly playing the "Clinton card" again.
Clinton didn't invade Iraq.
Bush did, after telling lies and deceiving the US and he world, he sent 4,000 Americans to their needless and wasted deaths.
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Kerry didn't invade Iraq.
Bush did, after telling lies and deceiving the US and he world, he sent 4,000 Americans to their needless and wasted deaths.
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
Kerry's remarks continued:
Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.
In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days — to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.
If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent — and I emphasize "imminent" — threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs.
This just in:
With $56 million debut, ‘SpongeBob’ unseats ‘American Sniper’ at the weekend box office
So in conclusion, despite the spineless, neo-con stooge Democrats, BUSH alone ordered the invasion of Iraq.
Bush lied. Bush acted on the lies. Hundreds of thousands died. Period.
Dumbya,
You are not an allegedly vile, little minded psychopath.
You really are.
Make that the "allegedly" spineless neo-con stooge Democrats who now have allied with e Communist Party, USA.
Allies say a lot about who you really are.
Bush acted on the lies of Bill Clinton.
List of alleged lies from FOX News Mozart.
Are you really going to stand there and tell me that you are not aware of the Islamic invasions of Europe that started before the Crusades? And when given the sources to support the truth that those invasions and battles you are going to tell me that it didn't happen?
And are you going to continue to deny what Bill Clinton said and did BEFORE GWB was in office, based on INTEL he had?
And are you really going to believe that Hillary just "overstated" her under fire comment, when other eye witness and videos of the event show what she said is a out right lie?
And that being told that if you want to keep something, you can period! when in fact you can't, is not a lie?
And do you really expect me to believe that you read six newspapers a day and that you " check as many sources as I can find for information"?
"I'm a Liberal"
You are allegedly a liberal Mozart.
Is it any wonder then that after the last two midterms elections the GOP now controls of all of Congress by margins not seen in over 75 years?
The majority of Americans do not believe what you do Mozart, you have failed in selling the Radical Progressive view, if it were not so why would the CPUSA annoyance an alliance with the DNC?
Chuck,
Make that:
With $56 million debut, ‘SpongeBob’ allegedly unseats ‘American Sniper’ at the weekend box office.
Is Mozart lying since he claims that
"When a Dem lies he gets fired."
And crusaders also killed Jews and Arab women and children.
Christo-fascism.
Allahu Akbar Dave,
How long have you been a Muslim?
Allahu Akbar Dave,
How long have you been a Muslim?
Not as long as Sore Asshole has been "Jame Hansen".
What. An. Asshole.
Brian Williams sure has blueberry all over his face with that whopper of a story about being in a helicopter that was hit with an RPG.
He got caught eating the blueberry pie!
No wonder NBC news is in the shitter!
NOtice how after I correctly used the word "allegedly", the boy troll has to put it in every post?
Further proof he cannot think for himself, AND that he's a petulent child.
I'm a crappy typist, I admit it. I'm also posting here while doing other things, so sometimes I don't proofread well before posting. (An edit function would help, Tom ;) )
So because of THAT, and given he doesn't have anything constructive or relevent to add,the boy troll OBSESSES on typos (while completely butchering actual terms like "ad hominem"
He's been proven wrong countless times since I have participated in this forum, and whenever that happens he ignores it and moves on, or simply continues as if he never saw the correct explainatin (The recent "election" results are a prime example.)
He's also posted under several different names.
Seldom has he ever commented on the actual subject of the blog he's commenting on.
We should either agree to ignore him or maybe Tom should ban his IP address.
Censorship? No, he's had ample time and space to make his opinions known. But his constant WHINING about Democrats,(especially Obama) even when the FACT is that the country is doing better NOW than under GOP rule is getting old.
Worst of all, it's pathetic. The boy clearly needs help.
As for the movie, my friend saw it recently.(He was in Desert Storm himself) and said it was insulting to be even remotely connected to such a lie as this movie was. Again, I have not seen it, but I trust my friend's judgement.
Now watch as the boy troll replies, while ATTEMPTING to put ME down. This should be entertating at least.
Say Dumbya, have you faced the FACT that the GOP has been swept into power throwing out the DNC by the Majority of Americans who voted?
Hummmm, have Dumbya, have you?
Have you been able to get the correct reply to the simple question, Was Clinton lying when he said:
"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
1998/12/16
Or is Clinton just another "spineless, neo-con stooge Democrats"?
Was John Kerry correct or lying when said
"So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."?
(click my name for a link to democrats working their hearts out for us.)
Told ya. What was the boy trolls FIRST LINE?
There is no getting through the "bubble" with this boy.
I assume your are talking to me Mozart, with you comment,
"Now watch as the boy troll replies, while ATTEMPTING to put ME down"
Here was my first line after you posted the above,
"Say Dumbya, have you faced the FACT that the GOP has been swept into power throwing out the DNC by the Majority of Americans who voted?"
followed by your
"Told ya. What was the boy trolls FIRST LINE?"
I don't have to try to "put you down", you seem quite capable of doing that by yourself without any assistance from me.
It was about your obsession with posting "election" results, even though everyone with two brain cells to ryb together knowes that the GOP "won" by cheating again.
Gerrymandering, disenfranchising voters,and playing on unwarranted fear is all the GOP has left and you know it.
Add to that that young Dems hardly ever turn out for the mid terms (a problem of ours that must be solved)
GOP control of congress has NOTHING to do with what the MAJORITY of the people want, proven by the FACT that they went back to tha same old crap (Repealing the ACA, cutting taxes for the rich, defunding or eliminating important and popular social programs, starting yet another war) that got them a 10% approval rating.
Have fun believeing in the BS Fox news and Limbaugh spoon feed you.
Mozart,
I hate to say it, but you are not the sharpest pencil in the box.
We should either agree to ignore him or maybe Tom should ban his IP address.
Mozart, that is one of the best ideas you have come up with.
"Mozart,
I hate to say it, but you are not the sharpest pencil in the box."
Something else you picked up from someone else,(who only said it once) proving you have no ability to think for yourself.
Go back to your drink box and Fox news. Maybe Mommy will make you a balogna sandwich with the crust cut off.
Sore Asshole the Republican troll can't say anything constructive or informative. He is a liar. His cult needs to lie to deceive voters into electing far Right politicians bought by Big Money.
This is their agenda.
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Here are just a few excerpts of the platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
• “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
• “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
• “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
• “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
• “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
• “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
• “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
• “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
• “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
• “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
• “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
• “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
• “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
• “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
• “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
• “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
• “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
• “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
• “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
• “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
• “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
• “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
• “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”
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Note Sore Asshole has not disagreed with any of this agenda by his servants of mammon masters.
He probably thinks he's Christian, but we know who he really serves.
Dave, just ignore him. For my part I'm tired of trying to explain even the simplest concepts to him. It can be fun watching him make a fool of himself, but now it's just sad.
He either can't understand basic facts or he refuses to accept them because he's been told to do so. Either way, I think I'm done with him. I tried to break through "the bubble" but it's no use.
They say people in comas can hear and understand people speaking around them. I don't know if that's true, but I'm CERTAIN people in the conservative bubble can't. It's just not worth the effort to try anymore.
Let him rant and whine.
James that's pretty big talk.
Just like I thought, Radical Progressive's want to regulate free speech, the internet, the airwaves, the free market place of ideas. Next it will be the thought police.
That explains why you hate Fox News, Limbaugh or anyone who dares to stand up to you and ask you to back your claims with facts.
Lies? Morfat says Dems get fired, then cant give one example of that ever happening. On and on with the lies and half truths. It's what Radical Progressives do, ever where
One simple question about Clinton that I've asked 3 times and none of the "BEST" the Progressive have to offer has attempted to address it.
"Was Clinton lying when he said:
"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
1998/12/16
Or is Clinton just another "spineless, neo-con stooge Democrat"?
The three of you wouldn't last 2 days on a Conservative website, much less an hour in a face to face debate. You would cry for the Justice Dept get involved because of supposed hate speech. Gutless is the word that comes to mind when I think of the three of you, spewing lies like Dumbya and his faithful mental midget Morfat have repeatedly.
It's what Radical Progressives are learning to do from their allies the Communist Party USA, lie, close down their opposition, play the class game, play the race card, destroy civilization. You say you just want to rich to pay their fair share, that's a lie! If you were honest, you would be all over the Rev Al to pay his $4 million of taxes owned. But you see, Radical Progressives are afraid to offend their puppet, the Rev Al.
You can keep me from posting, but nothing you do can change the FACT that the GOP now controls both Houses of Congress, the majority of State Governors are Republicans as are the Majority of State legislation's.
Americans are rejecting your lies!
Click my name for youtube of your candidate lying.
Hurry up 2016!!
Hillary is beating the living daylights out of the entire GOP field in almost every poll...by so much if the election were today she would have enough votes that she could give Chelsea half and she would win twice.
"Was Clinton lying when he said:
"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
1998/12/16
Or is Clinton just another "spineless, neo-con stooge Democrat"?
Who's running away from questions?
"has shown no retractions or admission of error are required"
Like claiming that MSNBC is NOT a news network? Or only retractions YOU deem proper Dumbya? Thought Police much?
Harry,
You don't know me.
I work in the Obama Ministry Of Truth.
The biggest threat to AmeriKa is Climate Change not ISIS.
"Sore Loser is, in fact, a racist with a deep seated hatred for all non-whites. His words all go over big at his Klan meetings."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/laurence-h-silberman-the-dangerous-lie-that-bush-lied-1423437950
The Dangerous Lie That ‘Bush Lied’
By LAURENCE H. SILBERMAN
Feb. 8, 2015 6:25 p.m. ET
"Some journalists still peddle this canard as if it were fact. This is defamatory and could end up hurting the country.
In recent weeks, I have heard former Associated Press reporter Ron Fournier on Fox News twice asserting, quite offhandedly, that President George W. Bush “lied us into war in Iraq.”
I found this shocking. I took a leave of absence from the bench in 2004-05 to serve as co-chairman of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction—a bipartisan body, sometimes referred to as the Robb-Silberman Commission. It was directed in 2004 to evaluate the intelligence community’s determination that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD—I am, therefore, keenly aware of both the intelligence provided to President Bush and his reliance on that intelligence as his primary casus belli. It is astonishing to see the “Bush lied” allegation evolve from antiwar slogan to journalistic fact.
The intelligence community’s 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) stated, in a formal presentation to President Bush and to Congress, its view that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction—a belief in which the NIE said it held a 90% level of confidence. That is about as certain as the intelligence community gets on any subject."
Thank you Laurence,
William Jefferson Clinton agrees with you that Iraq had WMDs in 1998:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
There is just too much sugar in the kool-aid Saul Alinsky's favorite Radical Son Dave Dubya drinks. The anti capitalist, class envy idiot is jumping up and down foaming at the mouth with his "Bush Lied" lie. Straight out of Alinsky's communist playbook!
Wow! The Far Left has gone unhinged!
"Bush Lied, People Died" is their foundation of faith.
Even Bill Clinton said Iraq had WMDs right before Bush took office.
It is their Santa Claus. And, like Santa Claus it is all based on a fabrication of their imagination with no basis in fact.
It is so funny to watch them screaming on Tom's blog with their hair on fire, crying and whining like their world has ended. Good grief!
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
Winston Churchill.
President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998.
December 16th, 1998, Clinton commenced Operation Desert Fox, a bombing campaign on Iraqi targets.
Saddam had frozen out UN inspectors looking for Iraqi WMD's.
In 2002, both Houses of Congress voted overwhelmingly to pass a resolution authorizing the removal of Saddam Hussein by force.
Remember, Bush was using the same intelligence sources that Clinton used.
Senators Jay Rockefeller and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Representative Nancy Pelosi lectured us about the dangers of Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's.
Not only did we have more allies under Bush I and II, but Congress approved every intervention.
A large quantity of yellow cake that Canada bought for many millions of dollars:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-secretly-takes-yellowcake-from-iraq/
Who are the most accomplished liars in American political history:
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Barack Hussein Obama/Jonathan Gruber
Joe Biden
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
Eric Holder
Jack Lew
Susan Rice
......is it just me or is there a pattern here?
It is too bad for you guys that a major piece of the story is missing. Iraq was not North Korea, we had tons of intelligence, weapon inspectors, and people throughout Iraq that knew what was going on. Remember the 1st Gulf War in 91?
Because of it they stopped making WMD and started destroying their stockpiles, they were afraid of US retribution.
All chemical WMD have a shelf life of 4 years, after that they are inert. By 96 there were no usable WMD in Iraq.
Fast forward to 2002, Chaney's plan to invade Iraq were being thwarted because the NIE stated in total confidence that Iraq had no WMD and their nuclear program was in its infancy.
Chaney made 11 trips to see George Tenet to get the NIE changed to state WMD were all over Iraq. Tenet capitulated, got his medal of freedom and retired.
If Tenet and Collen Powell had any guts, the Iraq war would not have happened.
Conservatives biggest failing is that they have an ironclad trust in what their politicians and pundits say.
This does not exist on the Liberal side, I could post dozens of articles from Liberal sites that crucify our politicians. The truth is more important than Party to us.
Some of the biggest liars:
Joseph McCarthy
Richard Nixon
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Rush Limbaugh
Rand Paul
Scott Walker
Bill O'Reilly
Darrell Issa (the arsonist)
Rep. Darrell Issa's past includes arrests for weapons charges and auto theft, suspicions of arson, and accusations of intimidation with a gun
I think it's pretty much accepted by all except DIck Cheney and a few die hard supporters that the Iraq war was the biggests foreign policy blunder in US history.
The sad part is that it was obvously a mistake before it even happened, but Haliburton and the rest of the war profiteers had to have their billions in profits. Too bad about the nearly 5,000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that died for no other reason than for a few rich men to get richer.
While I think the Brian Williams thing is being blown WAAAYYY out of proportin, I can see why THIS GUY would defend him.
http://www.thewrap.com/brian-williams-detractors-disturb-bill-oreilly-i-just-think-its-wrong-video/
If Williams has to lose his job for slightly embellishing a story (remember, he did it in an interview,he didn't report it as News", then O'Reilly, along with everyone else on Fox, should go down as well becuse they lie every day, and they DO report it as FACT.
Clinton didn't invade Iraq.
Bush did, after telling lies and deceiving the US and the world, he sent 4,000 Americans to their needless and wasted deaths.
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."-- President Bush, Oct. 7.
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."-- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.
Barack Obama misled Americans for his own political benefit when he claimed in the 2008 election to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, his former political strategist David Axelrod writes in a new book, Believer: My Forty Years in Politics.
“I’m just not very good at bullshitting,” Obama told Axelrod, after an event where he stated his opposition to same-sex marriage, according to the book.
Axelrod writes that he knew Obama was in favor of same-sex marriages during the first presidential campaign, even Obama publicly said he only supported civil unions, not full marriages. Axelrod also admits to counseling Obama to conceal that position for political reasons. “Opposition to gay marriage was particularly strong in the black church, and as he ran for higher office, he grudgingly accepted the counsel of more pragmatic folks like me, and modified his position to support civil unions rather than marriage, which he would term a ‘sacred union,’ ” Axelrod writes
Time magazine
Who is the liar, Obama or Axlerod or both?
Mr. James Hansen,
"Chaney made 11 trips to see George Tenet to get the NIE changed to state WMD were all over Iraq. Tenet capitulated, got his medal of freedom and retired."
You know that to be fact because Mr Tenet has said this is what happened or is this alleged to have happened?
Frankie "A large quantity of yellow cake that Canada bought for many millions of dollars: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-secretly-takes-yellowcake-from-iraq/"
The US removed from Tuwaitha a bunch of yellowcake purchased pre-1981. Yellowcake that we knew about already, that was documented, sealed, and inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency and UN inspectors.
Kudos for digging deep in to the obvious and unearthing whatever the opposite of the smoking gun that leads to whatever the opposite of a mushroom cloud is.
I also remember Norman Swartzkoff saying, after being asked why we didn't invade Bagdad and remove Hussein,(Paraphrased) "Hussein has no loyalty from his people or soldiers. They couldn't wait to surrender to us. He's also a horrible military tactician. Why would we want to remove him and have him replaced with a GOOD military commander who's people would follow and fight for him? Better the devil we know. He's also been pretty good at keeping extremist groups out of the country because he doesn't like to share power"
Of course, Bush II had to prove he could be a "wartime president" and Cheney needed the war so Haliburton could get the no bid contracts to "rebuild".
There is no better way to make BILLIONS of dollars "disappear" than a war. You can also make any draconian unconstitutional law you want because, according to Cheney, "a war is a desperate situation, you can't apply the same rules as you do during peacetime"
Very convenient, DICK.
Sore Loser, I know you better than you know yourself.
You're a racist. Your rhetoric is the same that racists have used for years and years.
Racist.
‘The consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural unavoidable condition of survival.’ –George Orwell
I think that's as good an explanation as any for why the Bush administration wanted to go to war in Iraq, especially since at the time, Karl Rove was hoping for a "permanent Republican majority".
De_Bill, you hit it on the head, 9/11 was their wet dream and the Iraq war the warm afterglow.
While I do not think 9-11 was an "inside job", I DO think the Bush administration lied to us about WHO did it and WHY.
Also, while I do NOT think there were "holograms" covering missiles that hit the WTC, I DO think it was a MISSILE that hit the Pentagon. It sure as heck was not a 757 and if it WAS< why have we not seen the footage from the 80+ cameras that were around the area? All that stuff was confiscated and CLASSIFIED. All we got was a split second of blurry white and an explosion from ONE camera. Yeah...right.
John Cole puts things in perspective re: republicans:
"The Republican response to the one year anniversary of the Elk River chemical spill is to weaken regulations, block new regulations, cockblock federal regulators, and then, for shits and giggles, make it impossible for citizens who have been poisoned to sue for redress.
These people are fucking sociopaths.
Congratulations, West Virginia. You wanted Republican rule, now you are getting it good and hard."
Given the recent good news about same sex marraige being legal in Alabama, a friend and I were disussing it. He said that he thinks same sex marraige is morally wrong, but also says that that's HIS opinion, and what's good for HIM might not be good for everyone. He's OK with it being legal.
I'm sure that's Obama's position. It's not for HIM, but he has to think of EVERYONE.
After 13 years the story about what is in those 28 pages that were deleted by Bush from the 9/11 report is coming to light.
Several congressmen were able to read the still classified papers and basically stated that the Saudis bankrolled and supported the 9/11 attack.
Since Bush was so close to the Saudis that they gave him the nick name Bandar Bush, it seems he was protecting the people responsible for 9/11. He flew them out of the country so they could not be questioned by the CIA as 15 out of 19 high jackers were Saudis.
He also fought long and hard to not have a 9/11 investigation but had to relent when it looked like he wanted to hide something.
And what about building 7 falling down without any damage to it?
Wow, a Whole Lot of Radical Progressive Whining going on.
Guess that happens when the reality that they no longer control Congress
over 50% of State governorships, and State legislation's.
Guess calling someone a racist no longer shuts down the debate.
Sore Loser. You're a racist.
Tell us more about how Eric Garner was faking when he said "I can't breathe!" Talk about how violent and dangerous black men are.
Then throw in some "radical progressive" talk, and accuse us of being communists.
Calling someone a communist doesn't shut down the debate anymore. That shit worked when Joe McCarthy was waving blank pieces of paper with his closeted assistant, accusing everyone who disagreed with him a commie.
Sore Loser: Racist
Sore Asshole emulates the German fascists of the 1930s and 40s.
All they had to do was call someone a commie and off they went.
Sore Asshole a fascist as well as a racist.
His cult needs to lie to deceive voters into electing far Right politicians bought by Big Money.
Here is his political agenda:
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Here are just a few excerpts of the platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
• “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
• “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
• “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
• “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
• “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
• “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
• “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
• “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
• “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
• “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
• “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
• “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
• “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
• “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
• “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
• “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
• “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
• “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
• “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
• “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
• “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
• “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
• “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”
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Note Sore Asshole has not disagreed with any of this agenda by his servants of mammon masters.
He probably thinks he's Christian, but we know who he really serves.
James Hansen, you left out the part where Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of "Secruracom" the company that provided security for...wait for it...THE WTC, UNITED AIRLINES AND DULLES AIRPORT.
From 1999 -2002 Marvin (and George) Bush's cousin, Mirt Walker III was a the CEO of that company.
Coincidence?
Also the ONLY three buildings to collapse, one that was barely gamaged (building 7) were owned by the same man. Larry Silverstein
Interestingly, he somehow got about double the amount of insurance money he deserved.
He was also the one who told the NYFD to "pull the building", referring to building 7. "Pull the building" in layman's terms meaning "Bring the building down".
And WHY did the Saudi Royal Family get to FLY out of the USA when the rest of us were grounded? Oh yeah, bedfellows of the Bush Royal family, as were the hinkleys. You remember John Hinkley right?
Here's a handy pronunciation guide:
John Cowper Powys (cooper poh-iss)
Marcel Proust (proost)
Ayn Rand (well-fare recipient)
Keep up the good work Dave Dubya.
You are Saul Alinsky's Favorite Radical Son.
Lying is OK for our marxist ends of social and economic utopia!
Is the boy troll coming up with new names again?
Pathetic.
Mozart, a few months after 9/11 I did an INTERNET search for pictures of Penn and the Pentagon as I never saw any in the mass media.
I came across a site that had dozens of pictures of the Pentagon taken every several minutes after the attack.
The first pictures were of a 40 or 50 foot hole in the building, next the top of the building collapsed to make a U shaped hole. on either side of the hole the windows were intact with no damage. The closeups showed the offices exposed by the removal of the walls had no fire damage.
Then trucks came and covered hundreds of square yards of grass in front of the hole with sand about 6" thick.
To sum it up, no way did a plane with a hundred foot wingspan hit the building. There was no fire damage and a plane full of fuel causes a lot of fire damage. The sand had to be used for hiding evidence on the ground.
I never did see a single picture of any debris field in Penn,
I have an entire 6 hour VHS tape of the news coverage of 9-11 starting about 9 AM Mountain time running most of the day( worked nights I had to sleep) and covering several channels.
There was that hole, too small to be the fuselage of a 757, in the first reports, but after it collapsed they NEVER showed the "hole" again.
Also, while they were interviewing people outside the Pentagon, there were men in BUSINESS SUITS picking up debris and carrying it off to an unknown location. Now, I don't know much about plane crash investigations, but I DO know the NTSB does not move ANYTHING, including human remains, until they have been catelogued and mapped. The NTSB could not possibly have gotten there and finished that fats, so WHO WERE THESE MEN AND WHO AUTHORIZED THEM TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM WHAT WAS OBVIUSLY A CRIME SCENE?
There is also an interview later with Cheney, who was at the Penatgon at the time (Why? The VP has no reason to betere)and in the first run of the interview, he says "I was in the Pentagon when the MISSILE hit..". When they reran it, the word "missile" has obviously been dubbed and replaced with in "plane". When they ran that segment a third time, the Cheney interview had been removed.
Funny also how a guy that, according to his flight instructor, "could barely keep a Cessna in level flight" Had the skills to not only fly a &%& but circle AROUND the Pentagon before hitting it ON THE ONE SIDE THAT WAS CLOSED DOWN SO THEY COULD REFURBISH IT SO IT COULD WITHSTAND...wait for it...A MISSILE ATTACK.
Watch now as the boy troll obsesses on typos. Tom you need an edit function. ;)
OK, I need an edit function.
Hey Modus, are you SURE you don't live at 1900 Pennsylvania Ave with Sarah Palin?
Calling someone a racist to shut them up doesn't work any more Harry, try to keep up with the times.
CPUSA announced on THEIR website that they planned to work with the DNC to defeat the GOP.
So far the Radical Progressives on this blog have spoke out against the alliance.
Why not?
If the shoe fits Harry, wear it.
You see Harry, when they haven't been trying to prevent their opposition from speaking, they like you they are busy calling them fascists, Nazi, racist.
Look at the hell the Progressives spewed because of alleged speech given to a less than savory in LA. What do you think would happen if the American Nazi Party announced they were going to work with the GOP? (that might be a moot point as most Radical Progressives already think that, without any evidence to support same)
PS
Speaking the truth that the man died on the way to the hospital does not make a person a racist. Claiming he couldn't speak if he was being choked does not make a person a racist.
Disagreeing with Obama does not make a person a racist!
I never said he was faking it. Stop being like Dumbya, putting words in my mouth!
I site the true data from the Eric Holder DOJ that 52% of all murders in the USA are committed by blacks.
Saying the truth does not make a person a racist, unless you are saying Eric Holder is for allowing that report to become public.
Would you like some more statics that might make you feel uncomfortable?
PSS
According to Dumbya a racist is someone who treats people differently.
You are treating me differently, ergo you Harry are a racist.
MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry asked Holder to “Quack Like A Duck”
White House plays race card against Netanyahu and Boehner
So, Will Obama Address Black On Black Crime In Chicago?
You don't know me Harry, so what you claim about me is as worthless as an Obama promise.
I see Pfizer is buying aout another drug company for 16 BILLION. That's right folks, 16 BILLION.
Soon like media ownership, there will be only one drug company.
No competition will mean no reason to keep prices low. And who cares about quality control right?
The GOP will continue to try eliminating all laws protecting the public and soon we will be completely at the mercy of corporate Pharma.
We can only hope America wakes up and votes these people OUT before they have the voting laws COMPLETELY skewed in their favor.
Congratulations Tom, this is the 200th comment, a first for the Rant as far as I know.
Keep up the good work.
Here's a candidate for a Fox news job...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/jeb-bush-staffer-resigns-after-controversial-comments-come-to-light/ar-AA9eQ06
Will he learn from his mistake?
no...once a bigot, always a bigot. I'm sure Bush is sorry to lose him. They clearly think alike.
On April 18, 2014, Burisma Holdings announced Hunter Biden's (son of V.P.Biden)appointment to the board of directors in a press release. Burisma is the largest non-governmental gas producer in Ukraine, it was incorporated in 2006 and is based in Limassol, Cyprus - a European tax haven.
Is this the reason behind America's recent actions, to protect the Biden family wealth in Ukraine?
Democrat fascist cronyism leading us into another war?
Democrat fascist cronyism leading us into another war?
Sore Asshole only supports Republicon wars of fascist cronyism.
But we haven't finished with the consequences of the Republicon war of fascist cronyism.
Note the CORPORATE/Government nature of all this cronyism.
SHHH. Don't rile the precious "job creators".
"America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War". - John le Carré, written on the eve of the Bush invasion of Iraq.
“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.” - George W. Bush
“One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief. My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it. If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.” – George W. Bush 1999
Sore Loser:
It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him.
Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn’t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.
The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and “prone positioning during physical restraint by police” killed Garner. The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide.
Again, you are a racist. And a homophobe.
Sore Loser:
It was a homicide — and the chokehold killed him.
Eric Garner, the Staten Island dad who complained that he couldn’t breathe as he was subdued by cops, died from compression of the neck, the medical examiner said Friday.
The autopsy also found that compressions to the chest and “prone positioning during physical restraint by police” killed Garner. The manner of death, according to the medical examiner, was homicide.
Again, you are a racist. And a homophobe.
One of Jeb's first staff choices already had to resign for racist, sexist comments. He called female college students "sluts" among other things.
But it seems that what ultimately sealed Czahor's fate was a 2008 blog post uncovered by The Huffington Post. In it, Czahor praises Martin Luther King, Jr. for not sagging his pants and says "black parents need to get their sh@# together."
Populist groups cheering "Run Warren Run," today released 2016 election polls from Iowa and New Hampshire showing Sen. Elizabeth Warren ahead of dominant Democrat Hillary Clinton.
The YouGov poll of likely Democratic voters for MoveOn.org and Democracy for America also found that 79 percent want Warren and majorities support her anti-Wall Street positions.
HarryDumbya,
You left out I'm a vegetarian
Sore Loser, I doubt you're a vegetarian. There's an old saying: "you are what you eat."
I think you eat bacon for breakfast, ham sandwiches for lunch, and pork roast for dinner.
Hows the weather over by Kansas City today "Chuck"?
Weather's fine, pig.
HAHAHAHA!
Chuck you are a laugh a minute.
Keep it classy KC.
Sore Loser Pig, next time you're in Kansas City I'll take you on a tour. Some tasty barbecue for you to sample.
And not to drag your mother into this, but do you know what a pig is? Son of a swine.
KC Chuck, do you kiss your loved ones with that mouth?
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