Ladies and Gentlemen, Start Your Clown Cars
As the blizzard of 2015 descends upon us here in the Northeast, the lack of mobility for the next couple of days gives one time to do a lot of thinking. It is now 4:00 AM here in Goshen, New York. As of this moment it's not much of a storm. That's bound to change at any moment. Outside my window there is a light powder covering my jeep, This is strange considering the fact that the nice lady on my television screen is informing me that everywhere is being hammered - particularly in New England. We shall see. The hatches are battened firmly down. Be safe. Be warm.
And while we deal with and contemplate a very real storm, the proverbial shit storm is also making itself known. I was jarred from my reverie early yesterday afternoon when I happily stumbled onto a link to a speech that Sarah Palin gave on Saturday at something called the "Iowa Freedom Summit". What the heck is this twit doing in Iowa? Exactly what every elected Republican who is not a resident of that state is doing. She's going to make a run for it next year. While she didn't actually come out and announce her candidacy, all the signs are there.
It was truly a weird thing to behold. Fascist Barbie was even more incoherent than is usually the case. Watching it, my first inclination was to assume she was on drugs. I wasn't going to mention it but when my cousin, Patricia Cullen, remarked that she has all of the symptoms of some poor soul in the midst of a serious cocaine binge, I thought that maybe I should take note of it after all. If you think I may be exaggerating, I'll provide a link to the speech in its entirety at the bottom of this piece that was provided by the website Mediaite. It's a scream.
The very fact that this completely incurious, idiotic woman was once given the second place on a national ticket is incomprehensible. "What if...." It makes the senses tremble in horror.
My theory is that Sarah Palin must know that she hasn't a ghost of a chance of being elected next year. What she is doing is nothing more than a cynical upping of her "brand" - so to speak. It seems that even the most rabid of right wingers are starting to tire of this utterly silly person's act. With the new label of "former candidate for the presidency", she will be able to regain a little attention and boost her speaking fees some twenty or thirty thousand a pop. The gal is as transparent as a window during a spring sunrise. That's why she's so much fun to watch.
That's not the case as far as the two Ricks (Santorum and Perry) are concerned. They really do believe that the White House is their respective destinies. There's something pathetically endearing about the terminally clueless, you know? A few of you will disagree with this, but I think I'm a fairly astute guy when it comes to politics. I'll let you in on a little secret: I might run for the presidency as a Republican next year. What are my qualifications? I have none. In fact only a fool would vote for me - which would, nonetheless, guarantee me a lot of votes in the USA at this sad time in its history. The only reason I've been thinking about running would be as a sick joke. The difference between Rick and Rick and I is the fact that at least I'm intelligent enough to understand that I am totally unqualified for that office. The same cannot be said for all of the right wing wannabes in this comically political season. They really believe they're presidential material.
I can't believe our good fortune. The prospect of all of them on the same stage trying to tear each other to shreds is too good a vision to be true. Somebody pinch me.
The most disturbing thing about the fiasco that the Republican party has become in recent years is the fact that any one of these assholes might very well be living inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in less than two years. Only a year ago I was predicting out loud that George W. Bush would be remembered for two reasons:
1: As the most corrupt, incompetent chief-executive in the history of human stupidity, and....
2: As the last Republican president.
I was also predicting that on January 20, 2017, one Democratic administration would succeed another one. That hasn't happened since March 4, 1857.
At the time I made those predictions I sincerely believed that the American people would not be so foolish as to place back in power the party that dug us into the mess that Barack Obama has spent the last six years trying to dig us out of. All bets are KAPUT. The GOP-controlled 114th congress will see to it that even more repressive election laws are passed between now and Election Day 2016. Count on it.
President Sarah Palin? Relax. Even the American people wouldn't be stupid enough to send that blithering imbecile to the White House. Ain't never gonna happen, so just put it out of your mind and keep it out. President Ted Cruz? That's another story. You don't believe the electorate would send a reactionary yahoo from Texas to the White House? What planet were you living on between the years 2001 and 2009? If they're perfectly capable of electing as president of the United States a screaming idiot like Dubya, they're capable of almost anything. Ted Cruz's campaign would prove to be a relative cinch.
Whatever happens next year, regardless of who's nominated at the Republican National Convention, regardless of who is elected in November; 2016 is going to be a most amusing year.
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It is now 5:33 AM. The major accumulation of snow we were told to expect just after midnight hasn't appeared. There is still only a light dusting atop my vehicle. Cars now move effortlessly down the highway outside my window. Have we in the Hudson Valley somehow managed to dodge the bullet that Mother Nature aimed at us? Eight hours ago my friend, Nancy Karlovich, said on her Facebook page, "I'm calling it. This storm is going to be a flop." Perhaps she knew something the rest of us didn't.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED VIEWING:
Here is a link to watch Sarah Palin's speech on Saturday:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-dnc-has-two-word-response-to-rambling-palin-speech/
I wasn't exaggerating. You can't even satirize these nitwits. All you need to do is roll footage of them unedited. Life is beautiful.
And while we deal with and contemplate a very real storm, the proverbial shit storm is also making itself known. I was jarred from my reverie early yesterday afternoon when I happily stumbled onto a link to a speech that Sarah Palin gave on Saturday at something called the "Iowa Freedom Summit". What the heck is this twit doing in Iowa? Exactly what every elected Republican who is not a resident of that state is doing. She's going to make a run for it next year. While she didn't actually come out and announce her candidacy, all the signs are there. It was truly a weird thing to behold. Fascist Barbie was even more incoherent than is usually the case. Watching it, my first inclination was to assume she was on drugs. I wasn't going to mention it but when my cousin, Patricia Cullen, remarked that she has all of the symptoms of some poor soul in the midst of a serious cocaine binge, I thought that maybe I should take note of it after all. If you think I may be exaggerating, I'll provide a link to the speech in its entirety at the bottom of this piece that was provided by the website Mediaite. It's a scream.
The very fact that this completely incurious, idiotic woman was once given the second place on a national ticket is incomprehensible. "What if...." It makes the senses tremble in horror.
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| The two Ricks |
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| The First Fool |
The most disturbing thing about the fiasco that the Republican party has become in recent years is the fact that any one of these assholes might very well be living inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in less than two years. Only a year ago I was predicting out loud that George W. Bush would be remembered for two reasons:
1: As the most corrupt, incompetent chief-executive in the history of human stupidity, and....
2: As the last Republican president.
I was also predicting that on January 20, 2017, one Democratic administration would succeed another one. That hasn't happened since March 4, 1857.
At the time I made those predictions I sincerely believed that the American people would not be so foolish as to place back in power the party that dug us into the mess that Barack Obama has spent the last six years trying to dig us out of. All bets are KAPUT. The GOP-controlled 114th congress will see to it that even more repressive election laws are passed between now and Election Day 2016. Count on it.
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| Teddy Boy |
Whatever happens next year, regardless of who's nominated at the Republican National Convention, regardless of who is elected in November; 2016 is going to be a most amusing year.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED VIEWING:
Here is a link to watch Sarah Palin's speech on Saturday:
I wasn't exaggerating. You can't even satirize these nitwits. All you need to do is roll footage of them unedited. Life is beautiful.
posted by Tom Degan @ 4:00 AM
162 comments
162 Comments:
The only thing bad about living in Iowa isthat we get bombarded by political ads everywherefor 18 months before any election. They are entertaining for a while but get old fast.
Plus, we get a constant barrage of phone calls from 5-9 PM 6 days a week.
Has ANYONE actually changed their vote because of a political ad?
Didn't know that you were an Iowan, Mozart. What part of that state are you from?
Eastern Iowa. I'd tell you more but I'm afraid Sore Loser will show up and kill our pets. ;)
I was REALLY hoping Braley would beat "Phoni Joni" but never underestimate the power of the Kochs.
But if any other state wants to be the first primary, I'd be first to vote to let them have it. Hearing Phoni Joni talk about castrating hogs (which she never did) for 18 months should be used as an "enhanced interrogation" technique. Blast THAT through the speakers all night and the Branch Davidians would have given up Mt. Carmel by dawn.
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.
Sore Loser said In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
Actually, he was registered as an independent. He was anti-government, and he distrusted our currency because it wasn't backed by gold or silver. Sounds more like a Glenn Beck fan to me, rather than a bleeding heart liberal.
Either Sore Loser posted his misinformation because he believed it (which makes him a fool) or he posted it to purposely spread misinformation (which makes him a liar).
Caprice,
"Sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity".
Both. He's a fool and liar. AKA Republican low information stooge and propagandist.
Palin is highly regarded in his cult.
They are a dead giveaway when they play the commie card...and the always do when defeated by logic, reason and facts.
Last weekend we saw the "Selma" movie. The sad thing is, the rhetoric that was being spouted by the segregationists in the film against progressives and socialists, etc., is the same rhetoric being used by commenters like the sorest loser.
Basic John Birch boilerplate talking points. And at the same time, they try to take the high moral ground.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
Mozart, Tom, Caprice, Dumbya,
What does the approved candidate list of the Radical Progressives look like?
E. Warren
B. Sanders
Who else?
Sore Loser listens to Rush Limbaugh and then pretty much repeats whatever he says like a good "Dittohead". I actually listened to Limbaugh for an hour or so a while back and sure enough, a couple hours later, there was Sore Loser (as Anonymous)regurgitating it like he had a transcript.
Pretty much everything on his "list" in the last blog was BS. it took me less than 15 minutes to debunk them all. I guess Sore Loser figures that no one will fact check his statements. He obviously never checks those he copies.
Sore Loser, would you define "Radical progressive" for us please?
And what would a list of "radical regressives" look like?
Romney
Cruz
Perry
Huckabie
Christie
Palin
McConnell
Boehner
In fact, ANY Republican who gets 15 minutes of national attention since 2008.
Sore Loser is not here to share facts.
He is an unbalanced and hateful far Right propagandist troll, way out of touch with most Americans.
Most Americans are NOT true believer Republicans. Most Americans want government safety nets. Most Americans want more regulation of Wall Street. Most Americans don't think liberals are commies. Most Americans have progressive values.
And most Americans are not ditto headed Fox Fools, who corporate media abides by amplifying their voices over the majority.
Dear Tom: Any one of these assholes may be living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in less than two years, but the Klondike Barbie will most assuredly be ensconced at 1900 Pennsylvania Avenue.
LOL, 1900 Pensylvania Ave! I guess it's what she wants, given it's the address of the International Monetary Fund.
Notice Sore Loser won't comment on THAT little "gaff". In fact, any bets on when he'll turn up with some whinefest completely unrelated to the subject of the blog?
I guess he has to wait and see what Rush Limbaugh says so he can repeat it word for word.
Myself, I can't for the campaigns to start,(Other than the onslaught of political ads) because comedians are going to have carreer days with this batch of GOP lunatics.
Ben Carson is my favorite, he comes up with statements that are insanely ludicrous.
And to think he was a brain surgeon is astounding!
If he becomes president Liberals better leave the country.
Radical progressive
NYC mayor deblasio shutting down NYC today. Lots of hourly workers not getting paid. Small bus owners like myself losing a days work. At midnight we knew storm was not hitting NYC hard but Cuomo and blaz wait till after rush hour to make a decision. Union workers forced to take vacation days cause the subways were shut. Big government works great just like the department of motor vehicles
So, Jim,
Who's gonna remove all the snow? Maybe the Koch brothers will do it for a few million.
Mozart,
I have twice defined Radical Progressive on Tom's blog. Giving the history of the movement and the impact it is having on America.
I have declared myself a Classic Liberal and defined same, many times on this blog.
As for listening to and quoting Limbaugh, tell me what I have written that you can say I got from him?
Further, discrediting a person's position based on who they get their support and information from is another form of an homine. Which again, I have told you before and does nothing to strengthen you position.
Dumbya would have you Mozart, believe that most Americans are not Republicans, yet there is the most recent mid term election results that have to be dealt with.
As for not answering questions, you have yet to tell us the name of the 6 newspapers you read daily that you use to get your political acumen.
Having said all of that, which if you were honest, I wouldn't have had to do again as I have covered all of this with you before, my question still remains. (side note, that you continue to bring up the same shit time after time tells me that you really haven't an original idea in your dull pencil shaped head)
What does the approved candidate list of the Radical Progressives look like?
E. Warren
B. Sanders
Who else?
I ask this because while I know that slamming any Republican is like your first wet dream, it is just a dream and nothing more. Because when you wake up, the woman (or guy!) of your dreams is not there and all you have to show for it is your sticky sheets. That's called reality.
And the reality is who ever runs on the GOP ticket you will hate and say rotten things about, but who will be running that you agree and support is what's important.
But that means having to wait until your Party tells you who to support, and original thinking is not your strong suit, which is something that can be said about most Radical Progressives.
Thats why you don't want to answer my question.
Wow. Sore Loser is as constabt as the North Star isn't he?
Can't even TRY touching on the subject of the blog.
Just another WHINEFEST from the boy.
CLassic Liberal?
Classic nutcase is more like it.
Sore Loser, what do you think of the fact that we checked out your "List of violent Democrats" and found you were 100% wrong?
Nothing to say?
Go figure.
What's "constabt" Mozart is your inability to use spell check.
What are the six papers a day you claim to read?
What have I posted that Limbaugh said? YOU must listen to him a lot since you're an expert on him.
I'm on topic, it's about who might be the next president. I have asked since you a partisan radical progressive and wont be voting GOP, who you think will be your sides candidate?
Based on your lack of response I'd say that it must be a tough question.
Personally I hope the DNC runs Governor Moon Beam Brown of CA.
You want me to go off topic,
Here you go.
Obamacare Ad Features Woman With Her Shorts Down, “No One Goes Lower Than Us”…
Oh yes, in case you forgot, the GOP now control both the House and the Senate and the majority of the Governorships and the States legislative body's. My advise to the DNC is to move more to the right because it's clear that the American voter is rejecting your far left, radical progressive policy's. Since you are not main stream with the majority of Americans (using Dumbya's logic here) it must be because you HATE America.
Obamacare Ad Features Woman With Her Shorts Down, “No One Goes Lower Than Us”…
Please provide a link to this ad, or at least a link describing it, besides of course the illustrious and well-respected weasel zippers website.
AS long as we are obsessing on typos, it's "bodies" not "body's".
Clearly since you worry about such things you realize that you have been had.
Your list was 100% wrong and you do not acknowledge that error. Every time we point out your errors you change the subject and come up with some other irrelevant statement.
Yes, due to people I work around sometimes I do have to endure Limbaugh for various lengths of time. One group I contact listen to him and laugh. They find his ridiculous blather entertaining.
But I have also checked on my own, just out of curiosity. Your "list" came directly from his show. Coincidence? Are you recording and transcribing or do you get the newsletter?
Maybe you even work for him, who knows? I doubt that because I can't see you holding any kind of job. You sound like a high school kid trying to sound important.
Maybe if you fact checked yourself before posting you wouldn't look so foolish (and sad) to everyone here.
One thing is certain, whoever actually runs for POTUS from the GOP will pander to the extreme base to get the nomination, and the rhetoric will get more and more outlandish. THEN whomever gets the nod will suddenly run to the center trying to get the mainstream vote. They will completely disregard and contradict most of what they said before. No matter WHAT they say during the campaign, if they should cheat their way into office, they will do what Congress and your beloved Governors do. Immediately do whatever the Koch Bros want them to do. IT will be XL pipeline, repeal the ACA and cut taxes for the rich. They might go as far as trying to privatize Social Security and eliminate Medicare and food stamps.
The GOP's contempt for all but the uber rich is so obvious, it's amazing they get any votes at all beyond 1 or 2 percent.
AS for your questions, you can pound sand. Trying to get a straight answer from you is all but impossible, so you can stop asking me.
No, Tom, you got it wrong...
Clowns are to the left. Jokers to the right.
And, here I am stuck in the middle...
I have twice defined Radical Progressive...I have declared myself a Classic Liberal...
...Proving he has no clue.
Remember progressives are commies in his extreme ideology.
The American Right has gone from classical liberalism to neoliberalism, both more libertarian by today's standards. The only thing "liberal" about them is advocating their mythic god "Free Market".
Of course there's nothing free or liberal about deregulated corporatism.
Today's neo-liberals are also social reactionaries who suppress minority and gay rights.
Sore Asshole is a radical neo-liberal Right Winger. Libertarians at least support gay and minority rights, and oppose the drug war, and military interventionism.
Libertarians, and so-called classic and neo-liberals share corporatist goals, where corporations have superior rights by money as free speech and write the neo-liberal "free trade" agreements that restrict our national sovereignty. They both want to dismantle and privatize our constitutional safety nets and public services. They are opposed to unions and labor rights to negotiate working conditions.
They are as "liberal" as the Koch brothers. They really want radical change.
"The GOP's contempt for all but the uber rich is so obvious, it's amazing they get any votes at all beyond 1 or 2 percent."
Reality check Mozart,
The GOP after taking 80 seats from the DNC in the last two midterms now controls both House's of Congress, has more State Governors than Democrats, and controls more State legislation's than the democrats.
I hope the DNC and their allies the Radical Progressives, take note of this and before they are voted into nonexistence, turn their ways from the left to the right, with the majority of Americans. It is sad to see the Party of Truman and Kennedy being destroyed by the current leadership of the DNC.
I know how hard it must be for those who live in the bubble cult of Radical Progressive to accept this, as they have become believers in the lies they have used to get votes in the past. When you only read Salon and the Huffington Post and only watch MSNBC for your news, it is understandable how a cult can distort the fact that the GOP is now in control of Congress.
It is the Democrats who have total contempt for Americans or else they would not have been voted out of office in record breaking numbers from the State level all the way to the Federal level.
It is the Radical Progressives who can not face the rejection of their policy's and have a list of excuses for their defeat:
1. It was the Koch money and big corporations that defeated the DEMs
2. There isn't much difference between the two party s so getting our ass handed to us doesn't mean anything
3. GOP cheated
4. Must be Voter suppression because their base didn't show up to vote
5. Democrats weren't liberal enough
6. Racism
7. Voters were duped
8. Voters must have been high on pot
9. We didn't get our message out
10. Supreme Court is corrupt when they decide against liberalism, honest when they don't
11. It's all the fault of Fox News
Say what Mozart, what is Rush saying today that I'm repeating here?
So Dumbya,
What do Radical Progressives support and how are they different from the Pre-Wilson liberal?
Obamacare Ad Features Woman With Her Shorts Down, “No One Goes Lower Than Us”…
Again, please provide a link to this ad, or at least a link describing it. I'd really like to see it. But not a link to weasel zippers or the I own the World website.
Caprice,
Asking Sore Asshole for documentation is like asking him to provide evidence for his accusations that Salon, HuffPo and MSNBC tell "lies".
Or how liberals and progressives are commies.
He thinks because we show FOX(R) lies he can project the same at others.
He can't prove it. He can only lie.
This is why he is an asshole.
Sore Loser does not comprehend that they "won" the House through Gerrymandering, and won the Senate through disenfranchising voters. Here in Iowa there is talk of votes being thrown out from Democrat districts, which is believeable since that's how Bush "won" Florida in 2000.
He acts like we are using cheating as an empty accusation, but it's PROVEN. The GOP isn't even hiding it anymore.
Of course, they don't talk about it on FOx News so go figure Sore Loser thinks it's a myth.
I also love how he uses the term "bubble cult" since it was Bill Maher who first used the term (sort of) saying that "Republicans live in a bubble, into which no facts can enter" He's even had a bit where they put a guy into a "bubble" where he can't hear anything from the outside, until Maher said "Tax breaks" whereby the guy's eyes lit up. Conservatives the stole the idea, accusing Dems of it.
So once again Sore Loser is unable to think for himself. I didn't listen to Limbaugh today, but I'm sure 99% of Sore Loser's "ideas" come either from him or Fox Noise.
"Ahh Mozart, Mitch McConnell is in the Senate, not the Congress." --- Sore Loser (as Anonymous)
Caprice,
Like always just click on my name of the post that you want a link to. It's there, s always, you just have to brave enough to make the click.
Dumbya, Stuff it.
Can you tell me what Fox News said today that I repeated?
Can you tell me what Radical Progressives support and how are they different from the Pre-Wilson liberal?
Didn't think so. Living in the Radical Progressive bubble cult prevents you from using anything but DNC approved news sources.
You have become Captain of the the Radical Progressive Thought Police. (RPTP) I aure hope you get in line with the MAJORITY of American before your hate eats you soul. I sure hope your side wakes up before you go the route of the Dodo bird, extinct.
Mozart (DPB)
What have I said today that I quoted from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck?
(crickets)
Oh and by the way, what you are using is an ad homine which in debate circles of higher than high school level, treat as an admission of not having anything to counter your opponents argument or position.
IE:
YOU LOST THE DEBATE.
And the last two midterms elections where the GOP took 80 seats from the DNC and now control both Houses of Congress, the majority of State Governorships and the majority of State legislation's. You lost that to.
Didn't know if you knew that.
If you like I can give you the 11 excuse Radical Progressives use when they are defeated.
Let me know. I'd love to share them with you.
Man, you just gotta give Sore Loser credt. He never gives up.
He refuses toanswer to all the times we've proven him wrong, and he can't get it through his thick skull that the "elections" were bought and paid for by the Kochs.
He even uses "bubble cult" as if that term was not coined by Bill Maher to describe conservatives LIKE SORE LOSER who just won't accept FACTS. The irony knocks me out.
Sore Loser, you made a "list" in the last blog about all these violent acts being done by Democrats. 15 minutes of research proved you wrong on all counts. I notice you have not addressed that.
Too embarrassed?
"the least "tou" could do is get the terms right. Once again, you look like an idiot."
Mozart
Who looks like an idiot?
One is a typo. The other is a completely wrong word. Three times now you have made the same mistake.
Nice try.
S.L. I know you are feeling giddy that your side has gained the upper hand but I highly doubt you or any other Conservative can honestly and factually support their agenda.
Every policy they are pursuing is only good for the few and very bad for the many.
The more successful they are, the lower the quality of life will be.
Hey Mr. James Hansen,
See where doubting has gotten your side so far?
A loss of 80 seats in two midterm elections, Congress now controlled by the GOP, a majority of State Governors are now GOP and a majority of State legislation's are GOP.
Keep it up!
Mozart, and to think it took you only three times to catch it!
"Obama Care Ad features woman with her shorts down!!! The horror!" - sore loser
I finally found the ad (but not through weasel zipper, a different rightwing crank site).
A company in Florida, Estrella Insurance, is running a tacky ad. Poor taste. I would never call them, or use them. But you try to make it sound like Obama is advertising on healthcare.gov. "It's an Obama Care ad!"
It's just a stupid Florida insurance company. Probably two guys with hair gel and cheap suits in a strip mall. I get that vibe from their cheap ad.
It's like if a tacky used car salesman ran a tasteless, sexist ad about his cars being the safest, and you tried to imply it was produced by Obama's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Sore Loser you're a trickster, but not a very clever one.
Now that the GOP has mastered Gerrymandering of House districts to the point where it's nearly impossible for a Democrat to win, did you know that there has been a movement in the House the last few years to eliminate the electoral college and have the POTUS chosen by House districts?
THat way, even though Obama won the popular vote TWICE, he would still lose the election because the house is Gerrymandered to the right and they would choose the Republican every time in spite of the popular vote, which even Bush lost twice.
It is the Democrats who have total contempt for Americans or else they would not have been voted out of office in record breaking numbers from the State level all the way to the Federal level.
It is the Radical Progressives who can not face the rejection of their policy's and have a list of excuses for their defeat:
1. It was the Koch money and big corporations that defeated the DEMs
2. There isn't much difference between the two party s so getting our ass handed to us doesn't mean anything
3. GOP cheated
4. Must be Voter suppression because their base didn't show up to vote
5. Democrats weren't liberal enough
6. Racism
7. Voters were duped
8. Voters must have been high on pot
9. We didn't get our message out
10. Supreme Court is corrupt when they decide against liberalism, honest when they don't
11. It's all the fault of Fox News
Caprice, and I was told Radical Progressives had a sense of humor. Doesn't it make you wonder why Salon or some other Radical Progressive approved info site didn't have the news about Obamacare? That to find out if I was telling the truth you had to go to a "a different rightwing crank site?
Doesn't it make you wonder if there are other facts you are missing by only accepting the "approved" news?
If I was an open minded person it would.
Michael Moore Is A Dickhead
Nothing pisses me off more than a 'celebrity' using their fame to talk smack about our military men and women.
Today I saw a number of Tweets from Michael Moore insulting American Sniper war hero Chris Kyle and I erupted like that volcano puking lava all over the place in Hawaii. I went straight to my girlfriend Sissy and showed her what he said.
Almost all young girls have crushes on famous heartthrobs, and Sissy is no different - for years she's had a sexy poster of Michael Moore on the ceiling over the bed. Fortunately, my girl shares my patriotism love for America, so it was no surprise that she marched into the bedroom and tore down that stupid poster.
Sissy taking a little longer to 'get in the mood' on date night is going to be a small price to pay for getting that commie dickhead out of our lives.
Michael Moore, when I say you just lost your biggest fan, I'm not kidding.
Scooter Van Neuter
The point is, Sore Loser, you weren't telling the truth. You were lying. A sleazy Florida insurance company runs a tasteless ad on the side of a bus (I'm sure they share your political affiliation) and you tie it to the dreaded obamacare.
Again, it's like if a shady used car salesman ran a vulgar, sexist ad about his cars being the safest, and you tried to imply it was produced by Obama's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Sore Loser you're a trickster, but not a very clever one. You weren't trying to be funny. You're spreading disinformation.
I'm not a big fan of Salon. Lots of inaccurate clickbait headlines, pointless pop culture critiques, tearing down some worthless celebrities while idolizing other worthless celebrities.
Caprice,
Lying?
Was what I said painted on the side of the van?? IE a woman with her shorts down? Did the van have the word Obamacare on it?
Was the ad on the van selling Obamacare?
So where's the lie? Where's the trick?
Did I say if you liked your insurance plan you could keep it?
Did I say if you liked your DR you could keep them?
Did I say the savings would be $2500 for a family of 4 per year?
Did I say "the Individual Mandate ‘Is Absolutely Not a Tax Increase’?
Did I say that Obamacare would not add "one dime to the deficit"?
Did I say Obamacare would not cost any jobs?
So who is the trickster and who is the liar?
Caprice,
You can't reason with a liar.
He deflects. Other people have lied, therefore he didn't. He will stomp his feet and pout and call you a liar if you reveal his dishonesty.
This is what "personal responsibility" looks like from hypocrites.
Sore Loser is hilarious. He keeps repeating the same about GOP "wins" crap even though it's been proven wrong. I guess according to HIM, If your house is broken into, and you are robbed, he'll say "Watch as they use the old "A burglar did it" excuse.
He's avoiding owning up to the fact that he posted a list of complete lies. He's avoiding admitting he never said "Three times" who his congressmen were.
He's avoiding admitting he uses wrong words, and instead attacks typos.
He's avoiding admitting he has no clue about even the basics of how the government works.
His list of Obama "lies" are the same as all the "scandals" the GOP came up with. Obama told the truth as far as how things SHOULD have gone, and does not mention that it was the GOP, along with corporate insurance that caused the issues. It could have and should have gone exactly as Obama promised.
I wonder if his Girlfriend "Sissy" is a transvestite. More likely a blow up doll. Certainly no one as ignorant and immature could find another human so childish, unless...no I don't want to think about that.
Moore was not insulting the military. He's upset about the GLORIFICATION of war and about the LIES involved with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Is the military so sacred they cannot be criticized now? Moore has given time and LOTS of money to help returning vets. He's BEEN to the Middle east to see the troops. How many times has Sore Loser been to Iraq I wonder?
The kid is impossible to have an adult conversation with. H actually should be banned from this site, because he's just another ignorant troll.
But like Fox News and their conflict with DISH Network, he'll cry CENSORSHIP. So I guess we should let him blather. But it's hard to watch. Like a movie or TV show that's so bad one is embarrassed for the actors.
I wish we could let him see how ignorant he looks, but the "bubble" is strong with this one. Perhaps his family should try an intervention and therapy.
I warned the Radical Progressive if they didn't move away from their far left anti American positions they would become extinct.
Poll Shows Democrats Lose Swing Voters Over Amnesty
Sore Loser refuses to define "Radical Progressive" so It's probably useless to ask him to list "Anti American positions".
AS for his "poll" I clicked on his name and got some ultra right wing site that 99% of people wouldn't go near. He's referred to "Bob's poll" or such like. They pol a few batshit teabaggers and say "Americans oppose Amnesty"
Reagan supported 100% amnesty, as did BOTH Bush's.
All Obama wants to do is allow the parents and siblings of kids born here (Who are CITIZENS) to stay in the country so the families will not have to be split up (you'd think "family values" conservatives would support this). They must pay all back taxes, and will not be allowed to collect welfare benefits and will NOT be eligible for the ACA. They must also go through the citizenship process. It's not "Amnesty" in any way shape or form.
In fact, more illegals have been deported under Obama than under Bush. As of 2012, illegal immigration is at "Net zero' meaning as many are leaving as are coming in.
You won't find that in his "poll".
Go figure the boy troll would promote the right wing lies about the program.
Any time my palms begin to sweat at the notion of a Republican presidential win, I try to imagine who the candidates will be, and then try to imagine them in bed with each other. Works wonders. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.
For example(s):
Ted Cruaz and Joni Ernst.
Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.
Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin.
Chris Christie and any of the above.
There! I feel better already.
Yours crankily,
The New York Crank
"He keeps repeating the same about GOP "wins" crap even though it's been proven wrong."
Say one thing for ole Mozart, can't confuse him with the facts.
Pretty sure he won't believe this either.
Communist Party USA Chairman Promises Cooperation With Democratic Party
For Caprice, here's the link to the source
peoplesworld.org/a-radical-third-party-i-agree/
Direct quotes from the manifesto:
“First, we are part of building the broadest anti-ultra right alliance possible, uniting the widest array of class (including a section of monopoly), social and democratic forces. This necessarily means working with the Democratic Party,” the communist leader explained.
“Second, our objective is not to build the Democratic Party. At this stage we are about building the broad people’s movement led by labor that utilizes the vehicle of the Democratic Party to advance its agenda,” Bachtell further expounded. “We are about building the movements around the issues roiling wide sections of people that can help shape election contours and debates.”
“[W]e are for building movements in the electoral arena and see engagement in the electoral arena and democratic governance as a vital means to further build movements”
What is going to be telling now is the response from Dumbya, the Radical Progressive Chief of Thought Police. You see, this admission by John Bachtell goes counter to what Dumbya has been claim for some time, that his brand of liberalism or the DNC is not connected to nor helpful towards the Communist Party, USA.
Here are a few of the comments made about this manifesto.
"Certainly the masses of people, the core constituencies of the Democratic party, are similar to the core constituencies of Socialist and Communist parties through the world."
Norman Markowitz
"Two Party system is actually the one party system of the wall street lobby.What communists are trying to help working class and its allies to take over a significant section of voters to take over the leadership in near future.That is the only scientific way." Progressive Democrats and supporters of working class and representatives of working class will win over the vast majority of Democratic party some time soon.Think of Trumka or any one else as President elected some time. "
Ramakant Sharma
"As an activist in Progressive Democrats of America I see the day to day struggle to win over moderates, develop working class leaders, and broaden the appeal of a progressive platform.
Not mentioned in the article is the key leadership role of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. They oppose the neoliberal agenda and promote progressive legislation like the Full Employment Act, Medicare for All, and the Better Off Budget."
Randy Shannon
Let me stop there because term "neoliberal" has been used before on this blog, or medicare for all (single payer)
Any one care to guess by whom?
SO once again, Sore Loser disregards all his own lies and proven errors and changes the subject.
One wonders what he's doing on a Communist site, that the Dem party and Obama administration has nothing to do with.
Once again he quotes an editorial opinion and not anything relevent.
More cut and paste with no substance.
I'll accept any facts he cares to post, as soon as he comes up with some. So far, Nothing of the sort from the boy troll. Go figure.
Mozart, you are an idiot.
Did you even take the time to go to link that I provided? Of course not. I must have gotten this information from Fox News or Limbaugh, or Salon or maybe one of the 6 newspapers you read daily. Strange that how I found the information is more important to you than what the information tells us, right comrade? Democrats are viewed by the CPUSA as useful idiots, as a tools, as a conduit for them.
Suckers!
Interestingly you're not able to deny what John Bachtell says.
But you can deny the fact the GOP now controls Congress after taking 80 seats from the DNC in the last two midterms, that the Majority of Governors are GOP and the majority of State legislation's are controlled by the GOP.
Bubble cult.
Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues
by Bob Dylan (copyright 1962):
Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I wus gonna do
Them Communists they wus comin’ around
They wus in the air
They wus on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace . . .
So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!
Now we all agree with Hitler’s views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria
Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ’n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em . . .
I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl
They got away . . .
Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they wus in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones
Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betsy Ross . . .
Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . .
just like me
Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus
Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . .
hmm, great God!
Gotta love Sore Loser. A desparate try when he knows he's been beaten.
I guess the Kochs think of the GOP as "Useful idiots".
The difference is that the Dems have nothing to do with the Communist party, but the GOP does whatever the Kochs ask. Grover Norquist has all of them sign an oath NOT to ever raise taxes on the rich (which vioates their oath of office but what do they care right?)
I can't WAIT to see what batshit (not to mention irrelevant) nonsense he comes up with next!
He doesn't know that the Senate is part of congress.
It takes him the better part of a year to name his congressmen
He makes a list of "violent Dems" that turn out not to BE Dems at all, in fact most are conservative if anything.
He doesn't know the word " ad hominem"
He steals a term coined by a Liberal to describe conservatives, proving he has no original thoughts of his own.
There are more but that will do.
When confronted with his mistakes and asked to answer to them he simply changes the subject.
All of us are playing this poor kid like a $2 banjo and he has no idea it's going on.
Oh well, he'll be back with some other nonsense. Like they say on the message boards,
"Dance puppet, dance".
LOL.
Oh, I don't have to "deny" what your irrelevent blogger says. No one who matters cares. Like Benghazi and the IRS thing, it's a non issue.
And as for congress, let's see them DO something for the PEOPLE.
So far all it is, is
Repeal the ACA (Never happen as long as a Dem President is in office, and since Bush they can't steal THAT office)
Push the XL Pipeline that no ratinal person (even the Candians) want.
Cut taxes on the rich some more.
Cut or eliminate any program that helps poor or middle class Americans
Do anything they can to make women and minorities "second class citizens".
Obama can VETO any of that, and he can use the Exec order to get most of what he wants.
To paraphrase SHakespear, from Macbeth,
Sore Loser's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Your move Chief. ;)
Caprice, Mozart,
All I did was report to you what a leader of the CPUSA said.
Can't say I'm sorry that this news has pissed you off.
But you can always deny sharing the same values of the CPUSA. But you haven't.
YOU can lead the Party of Truman and Kennedy out of it's death spiral, by moving to the center of the political spectrum, where the majority of Americans reside.
But you won't. You can't.
That the GOP now controls Congress after taking 80 seats from the DNC in the last two midterms, that the Majority of Governors are GOP and the majority of State legislation's are controlled by the GOP should not be a surprise to you now that the CPUSA has blown the Radical Progressives agenda's cover. The cover of class envy and class warfare, and of playing the race card.
Americans are rejecting the policy's Radical Progressive bubble cult.
The last two midterms show this to be fact.
P.S.
what's a "ratinal person", Comrade?
LOL. Entertaining, AND predictable.
Can't answer for his lies and errors, but he can jump on a typo with the best of em.
The Dems represent the "center". Not to many real "Liberals" there. It may SEEM far left to YOU since you are clearly so far to the right you make Reagan look like a "New Dealer"
85% of Americans, including NRA MEMBERS supported the gun control legislation that the GOP shot down (pun intended).
80% oppose the XL pipeline the GOP has a hardon for.
Even Republicans participating in the ACA LOVE IT.
Sources? Every major news outlet except Fox. Go figure you missed it.
And keep telling us how the GOP stole the midterms. We know, but it's funny you obsess on it, like it matters. Obama will VETO the XL, repealing the ACA and any tax cuts for the rich, and what else have they got? Anything for the poor or middle class?
NO
And alternative plan to the ACA?
NO
Any Jobs bills in the works?
NO
Just the same old crap from the Teabaggers. Pander to the uber rich. Screw the American people.
Still waiting for you to answer for your little "list where you LIED.
Caprice,
Isn't it hilarious Sore Loser is the only one who doesn't know the Dylan song is about him?
LOL.
His obsession with commies almost matches Hitler's. Hitler hated liberals, Jews, gays, educators, just like the American far Right.
To his feeble mind, Latinos, blacks, teachers, and anyone else favoring the democratic party are all the same as commies.
He sees a connection between commies and the Democrats like Bush and Cheney saw a connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda.
They are delusional with hate.
He's mad because I showed him how out of step his radical hate is from most Americans. Most Americans like and want social safety nets and constitutional regulation of commerce.
The irony is HE is the anti-American radical, and is clueless to that fact.
He's in the "bubble" Dave.
Oh, and Sore Loser, one must show ID to REGISTER to vote. A Social Security card and something with your name and address on it, like a gas bill has always sufficed. Why a need for new ID's now? There has been NO serious individual voter fraud in the USA. But if you want to see ACTUAL Fraud, I give you the 2000 and 2004 "selections".
In Texas, a student ID is not acceptable, as ID, but an NRA card IS. Go figure.
Any country that would even think of electing Palin is hopeless, and not even worth saving. As for Cruz... He's Canadian! He even has a birth certificate to prove it! Come on Birthers -- gather together to fight this foreign born imposter!
From votetexas.gov
"In 2011, the Texas Legislature passed Senate Bill 14 (SB 14) creating a new requirement for voters to show photo identification when voting in person. While pending review within the judicial system, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in Shelby County v. Holder, which effectively ended all pending litigation. As a result, voters are now required to present an approved form of photo identification in order to vote in all Texas Elections.
This requirement is effective immediately.
Here is a list of the acceptable forms of photo ID:
•Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
•Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
•Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
•Texas concealed handgun license issued by DPS
•United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
•United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
•United States passport
With the exception of the U.S. citizenship certificate, the identification must be current or have expired no more than 60 days before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place."
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So, it isn't an "NRA card", Mozart (though that does sound way juicier and more sinister), it is a concealed-carry license which is essentially the same as a DL as it is administered by the same agency.
I figured you'd want to know the truth since you are so passionate about accuracy and sources and never spout editorialized opinions - only facts...
“Sixty percent of job creation in 2014 was caused by the expiration of unemployment benefits, according to a new working paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research. In late 2013, a standoff between Republicans and Democrats led to the abrupt expiration of long-term unemployment benefits. Democrats warned that the expiration would have disastrous ramifications, but Republicans had long argued that allowing Americans to collect unemployment benefits for an indefinite period of time provided a disincentive for them to work. The new working paper found that the expiration of benefits was responsible for the creation of over 1.8 million jobs. Nearly 1 million of those jobs were created by workers who would have otherwise stayed out of the labor force if unemployment benefits had been extended. "
No shit sherlock. If you pay people not to work, they won't work.
WHAT, MOZART LIED!!@!@!@?
OMG
Wonder when he and Dumbya will speak out against the Communist Party USA's admission they are going to WORK WITH the Democrats to further their agenda?
They won't because they dont disagree with the agenda!
Try this on for size.
Caprice
Dumbya
Mozart
what and where do you disagree with the CPUSA?
Crickets.
JJ really likes to over-generalize and see one side as the only truth.
He indicts all recipients of unemployment benefits as lazy bums. He must be a member of the "Liberals are commies club" too.
So this would be of little concern to him, but for those who wait for more information before jumping to pre-conceived conclusions:
Did Cutting the Duration of Unemployment Benefits Lead to Faster Job Growth in 2014 ?
This is an interesting result which contradicts much prior research indicating that shortening benefit duration had little impact on employment growth…
This runs completely counter to the claim that shortening benefit duration provided a boost to employment growth.
Sore Asshole is making demands again.
NOBODY HERE advocates total government control of production and distribution. NOBODY HERE advocates elimination of private property.
Ignorant assholes STILL see liberals as commies. They don't know shit about anything or anybody.
All they do is hate.
So nobody is really a commie here.
They live only in the narrow hate-filled minds of useful idiots who serve the Koch's interests.
THEY are the radicals out to destroy our constitutional safety nets and regulation of commerce.
Period.
Sore Asshole can't tell us where he disagrees with the Kochs and other greedy servants of mammon.
I wouldn't say he lied per se, but I do believe he buys into and repeats the mantras of the sources he follows, like he accuses others of.
He is right that TX will accept a government administered concealed carry license (or in his vernacular, an "NRA card")as an official ID and not a non-government administered student ID card (that is in place essentially so you can get your lunch at the Student Union, buy books, and get into the student section on gameday).
My point is that he deals in supportable facts no more than the next guy. We all filter "facts" through our own goggles. Tom, Mozart, DD, SoreLoser, me.... all of us.
The whole demanding of facts and support is getting silly. Anything we are providing is based on 2nd hand reports (at best). The conversations are far more interesting and fruitful if we try to understand and challenge each others' fundamental premise(s). Without that, we are always talking past one another.
So, is a voter ID card a bad idea conceptually? Of course not. No sane-thinking individual would think such a thing. That's not the issue. The issue is distrust.
Do parties try to use schemes to gain political advantage? Of course. Getting elected (or re-elected) is 50% of what they are about. The other 50% is finding money.
So, it is not irrational to think a voter ID is a good idea. Neither is it irrational to suppose a political party is trying to use it to gain advantage. We could debate and try to come to consensus and compromise... or simply scream at each other and demonize each other ad nauseum. Seems like the latter is honestly what folks desire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/texans-gun-permits-student-ids-voting_n_1095530.html
Hey, I told the truth. I can't help it that conservatives "can't handle the truth".
And WHY do we have to force people to go out and get new forms of ID to deter voter fraud that NEVER EXISTED?
And isn't it funny that red states like Texas adopted these new laws within 48 hours of the SCOTUS scrapping half of the Voting Rights act?
And isn't it also funny how these new requirements effect mostly poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democrat?
It's also interesting that the GOP went to great lengths to eliminate ACORN, who did many things for the poor, one of which was (HORRORS!) Helping low income people register to vote and providing transportation to the polls. There was NO evidence that they did ANYTHING to influence HOW they voted.
"And WHY do we have to force people to go out and get new forms of ID..."
First, note that I was trying to be fair-minded and open in my previous statements. I gave credence to both sides of the issue. And, both sides have valid points - and both, I think, can be addressed in a policy that makes sense.
But, again, your above statement is rhetorically coloring the issue, Mozart.
On the surface, the law is simply saying you need to have SOME SORT OF official photo ID to vote. And, some of the forms of ID are no more difficult to obtain than is the process of actually going down to a precinct to vote. Nowhere is it forcing "new forms of ID" - these are already established forms, except for the newly established option of an Election ID card, which is free of charge. As for elderly and disabled, they are eligible for voting by mail which essentially exempts them from this process anyway - they prove their status and are allowed to vote by mail. As for Election ID, the process is no more difficult and is FREE.
Again, proves my point. The rhetoric is stronger than the evidence. This is not an onerous conspiracy. The lack of ANY affirmation of any part of the concept leads one to believe your point of view is disingenuous.
Question, Harley...
HOW DID PEOPLE VOTE BEFORE?
And why change since there is no evidence of individual voter fraud?
ALL it does is make it harder for some people to vote. What's the point of THAT?
It's about disenfranchising as many voters as possible, especially those who don't vote Republican.
Along with Gerrymandering, it proves that the GOP knows it can win a national election on the issues, because most people disagree with them. so they CHEAT.
Taken in greater context, voter ID's are just part of the issue. Perhaps the blowback wouldn't be as intense had there been significant voter impersonation fraud in the first place.
There was not.
Let's be clear. It was a manufactured "crisis" with a one-party imposed "cure".
And now let's be honest.
Republicans have also made it more difficult to register voters.
SHORTENING EARLY VOTING PERIODS
ENDING ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION
RESTRICTIONS ON THIRD-PARTY REGISTRATION
The League of Women’s Voters (LWV), a group that has registered voters for over the past 70 years in Florida, ended its voter registration program in Florida because of the new law.
PURGING OF VOTER ROLLS
All of this is a one-party attempt at controlling elections.
It ain't democracy and it ain't a representative republic.
It is voter suppression. It is Republican voter suppression.
Let us not forget the legacy of the 2000 "selection".
Electronic voting machines, designed and bult by DIABOLD, who's CEO is a close friend of H. W. Bush.
These machines are easily hacked, and there is no paper backup telling you who the machine says you voted for.
Guys, the certainty that voter ID issue is not a problem is not settled in my mind. DD, those are assertions (again) based on 2nd and 3rd hand information. And, typically from biased sources. Neither of you has the warrant to deem it settled. You WANT to deem it the case. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. But, having a process and protocol is still agreeably better than having none. We have registration, precinct monitors, etc. Why have that? It makes it harder. Why not mail out ballots and let me send mine down with my son on his bike and let him drop it in? Why? Because that system would be abused BIG TIME.
And, suffice it to say that Democrats benefit from loose voting policies and lack of control. So, given that you'd roll back (for instance) TX voting policies, I could claim the same politically driven conspiracy.
Old age and disability are two very real circumstances we need to protect. But, the most oft-cited problem is racial, to which I see an underlying and insidious racism attached. If I were black, it would offend me if a white man claimed that getting a voter ID was harder for me to accomplish than for a white man.
Lastly, it is not unreasonable to assume that the voting practices are more at risk in today's climate of greater % of illegals in our borders. That is simply a fact.
Mozart, I agree with you whole-heartedly in theory on electronic voting machines.
In our age of turning the voting process into an election night media frenzy which demands instant results, we have hurt the integrity of the process.
Harley,
If every assertion is biased, so is yours.
Fair Elections Legal Network
Feel free to correct them.
http://www.fairelectionsnetwork.com/about
Both Florida and Texas passed laws last year that make it harder for third-party groups to conduct voter registration drives. In Florida, black and Hispanic Floridians and those from Spanish-speaking homes are over twice as likely to register to vote via third party groups as white Floridians or those from English-speaking households. The new law will require voter registration groups to register all paid staff and volunteers with the state if they are collecting voter registration forms. These groups will have 48 hours to return signed voter registration forms or face fines up to $1,000. The League of Women’s Voters (LWV), a group that has registered voters for over the past 70 years in Florida, ended its voter registration program in Florida because of the new law. Fortunately, LWV has resumed its voter registration program after parts of Florida’s new law were blocked in federal court. Michigan is also considering legislation to restrict third party voter registration.
Do you doubt the existence of laws on the books?
The guiding philosophy behind GOP voter suppression is clear.
"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Weyrich founded ALEC and co-founded the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority, Council for National Policy, and Free Congress Foundation, among others.
If every assertion is biased, so is yours.
Absolutely - now you get it.
The truth is there - but not always easy to get at... politicians do everything they can to blur it.
I'm not paranoid about illegals, and I don't hold anything against them for wanting earn a living for their families. I'm not for inhumane treatment or even deportation in many cases. At the same time, they don't have the right to vote. And, no, I don't want illegals of any color or ethnicity to vote.
Again, the argument starts to become about pegging me with race, ethnicity, etc. when for me that has nothing to do with it. Nor do those things defeat the argument, anyway.
Look, it is a symmetrical thing here. The Democratic party flourishes on lower income voters and the marginalized populations. I don't mean that to be ugly, just reality. So, it WOULD benefit Dems to allow illegal immigrants to vote, right? that is a fact. So, again, the protesting against what on the surface seems reasonable has connotations of political advantage.
And, if a black man from the south in 1870 were to visit today and see a black man crying because getting a free voter ID card by going to the DMV for an hour was too onerous, he'd be highly offended, if not somewhat amused by the whole thing. It does violence to the real bigoted oppression that DID occur.
You can continue to offer arguments, but on the face of it, it seems like political recoil to a very reasonable ask.
So, it WOULD benefit Dems to allow illegal immigrants to vote, right?
Wrong. It would be illegal.
It is a straw man argument.
It would benefit the Dems if every legal registered voter voted. Thus the GOP suppression tactics.
"And I would put to you that the GOP would benefit more from voter fraud since conservatives clearly do NOT represent the vast majority of Americans, and clearly can't win a national election without cheating."
That is a great point. So, why would the GOP be working to cut the legs out from under themselves? Why would they put in place policy that makes it harder for people to cheat, when cheating is how they win elections?
Look, gerrymandering is a shady practice. If the GOP is engaging in rampant gerrymandering, then shame on them. Dems have been known to do it, too, by the way. There is really no defense for it.
But, this is not the same thing. The concept is sound and fair.
DD -
More interesting and foundational discussion...
Who would it benefit if, to vote, you were required to answer the question "name the President who issued the Emancipation Proclamation"?
I make no apology for the fact that low-information voters of all races, religions, ethnicities, etc. scare me. I don't think voting is a human right - it is a civil right. And, what is the bar for being a "citizen" who has earned the right to vote?
You're 18, a U.S. "citizen" and you take up space? Seems an awfully low bar, but it's essentially the one we have. Not saying I have that answer, either.
Frankly, I think my first step would be to raise it to age 25. An 18 year old in 1800 and today are two very different people...
Harley,
"They" and the "People" are two different subjects for the same verb.
Yeah, remember the old "literacy test" has been used already, and who bore the brunt of that scheme?
How about the right to free speech?
Would that need prior approval by a literacy test too? Slippery slope.
The lowest information people probably don't even vote.
IF rights are "earned", and some entity has the power to bestow and deny rights, are they really rights at all? No, they become privileges. And we all know who the most privileged are. They are the owners of our politicians.
Why not let just the rich vote? Screw the unemployed and poor even more. Republicans would love that. The rich already have the "free speech money", and its influence, sewed up.
ALEC and the Chamber of Commerce are, and have been, writing trade agreements that become law of the land.
How about a conflict of interest test for corporate entities? They already have superior rights to free speech, along with less unaccountably for wrongdoing.
"NOBODY HERE advocates total government control of production and distribution. NOBODY HERE advocates elimination of private property."
Great but there are two things that you need to clear up for me.
How much govt control do you think is enough and is wealth private property?
When will you request your Party reject any aid from the CPUSA and it's sister organizations? Or are you just going to look the other way?
Koch, Koch Koch, ooooh nooo the bogie man is going to get you Dumbya, LOL!HAHAHAHA
So very child like.
Harley,
Is it possible that the reason Texas is requiring proof of the right to vote is due to the 10's of thousands of illegals who have crossed their border with Mexico?
Not a racist reason, but a simple legal reason.
Do the Radical Progressives believe that convicted felons should be able to vote like they did for former SNL star Stuart Franken?
Never forget one the of reasons Mozart and Dumbya use when they lose an election is voter suppression, but when they win an election as in 2012 and 4 million GOP voters who voted in 2008 do not vote it's because of the candidate. IE that has nothing to do with the IRS and the Tea Party or DNC voter suppression. In their mind that is only done by the GOP.
Of course there was that election in 1960 where in Cook County IL there was some strange thing going on with the ballot boxes.
Harley,
I quoted directly from the CPUSA website, I did not filter through another source, I provided the link for those who want to read for themselves the exact words
There was no filter.
If Ted Cruz was born in Canada, how does he think he can run for President?
Great but there are two things that you need to clear up for me.
How much govt control do you think is enough and is wealth private property?
Wahh! Answer MY questions. ALL of them.
So we can assume the Koch's do the thinking for Sore Asshole, since he can't show us any difference between his and their ideology.
Radical.
At least I showed him there are no commies here.
Tom,
Speaking of cars, I just love Hillary's new car smell. She's been out of the public's eye for the past six weeks or so.............perhaps she has met Pelosi's plastic surgeon?
Lets face the facts, that last book tour of hers was a flop.
Watch the photogrphers (and their editors) closely. You could tell in 2008 that the media had turned on Hillary for "The Messiah" when they began to show unflattering, high-def shots of her - shot late in the day, in bad light at unflattering angles.
There is absolutely nothing that can be done for that super sized caboose of hers. Maybe the photographers won't show it just like they didn't show FDRs crutches.
I think Hillary should dress up in her polyester suit again and fly to Donetsk to dodge some bullets at the airport. That would help her campaign and show she is a fearless Chicken Hawk.
Frankly, I think my first step would be to raise it to age 25. An 18 year old in 1800 and today are two very different people...
I remember watching the news and seeing the names and faces of young Americans who had been killed in the Iraq war. 20 year olds, 22 year olds, 24 year olds.
Harley, you try to pretend to be a rational-minded centrist, but your ideas and comments are just as crackpot as anything JJ or Sore Loser could cook up.
AH! The boy troll finally squeaks up again.
As usual, nothing of relevence.
As for Harley's suggestion of raising the voting age to 25, I say we should LOWER the voting age to 16, but RAISE the age of military induction to 25. THAT way people will be able to have a voice in the political process BEFORE they get sent off to some distant place to die for "America Inc".
It should also be illegal to expose children to religion before the age of 16. Too easy to ingrane that superstitious nonsense in the psyche of an impressionable child.
Jeez, did the boy troll REALLY go back to 1960?
Wow.
Oh I forgot, anything older that 75 years doesn't count according to Mozart. Kind of puts FDR and the New Deal in perspective.
"move military induction to 25" I think that would be called a draft and currently we have an all volunteer armed forces. Try again Mozart.
Dumbya,
"So we can assume"
Is that really the best you can do?
Looks like you are not going to distance your Party from the CPUSA Haven't come up with one thing that you disagree with them on.
Figures.
I seem to remember Dumbya saying he wasn't going to answer some questions because they were set ups or he felt they were stupid.
I reserve the same right.
Harley,
Question?
Watched a program about the Mayans. Statement was made that one of the things that qualified the Mayan's to be considered a civilization was they had an organized religion.
Without commenting on the Mayan religion, do you know of a civilization that does not or did not have an organized religion?
I can not think of a civilization that did or does not have an organized religion or in other words atheism, can you?
Going back that far back in the case you mentioned is irrelevant. FDR is still the best US President even no matter how much time passes, unless someone else comes along that does more for the Middle class and poor of this country. (FDR BUILT the middle class in the USA)
How is making the minimum age for ENLISTING a "draft"?
Jeez, and I thought you were stupid for not knowing the Senate was part of congress!
I never saw a civilization that subscribed to pure Capitalism either.
I also noticed you never mentioned the name of the program or the channel it was on. I have seen crapola on cable where they SWEAR they have found concrete evidence of Noah's ark. There are also programs where people claim to have proven Bigfoot exists or have taken video of ghosts.
More evidence that the uneducated will believe ANYTHING, which makes them perfect subjects for religion (or conservatism)
Tom Degan once said:
"Dirty politics? No doubt. But two felony charges? That seems a bit extreme to me. Democratic party or Republican, Texas is such a fucked up state - extreme and completely corrupt - you just never know with that place."
From the Proglydites Mothership:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/opinion/sheldon-silver-andnew-yorks-cauldron-of-corruption.html?_r=0
Sheldon Silver and New York’s ‘Caldron of Corruption’
"Now that Sheldon Silver has been pressured into agreeing to resign as speaker of New York’s Assembly after his arrest on corruption charges, the governor and the lawmakers who so poorly represent the state should not kid themselves into thinking they have made real progress on cleaning up what the federal prosecutor who indicted Mr. Silver called the “cauldron of corruption” in Albany.
In theory, the Democrats who control the Assembly should be able to pick a successor who is committed to good governance and ethics reform, but already the signs of back-room dealing and meddling from party hacks are not encouraging. And even a good choice would not be enough. Without real change, New York’s lawmakers could simply continue to rob the public of more than money, as the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, Preet Bharara, said recently. These lawmakers cheat New Yorkers of the honest and productive representation they need and deserve.
Over the last decade, more than 30 state officials have gone to prison or been accused of sexual or civic wrongdoing ranging from bribery to stealing state money and extortion. The group of 30 includes several lawmakers accused of sexual harassment. One governor resigned in scandal, a comptroller — the watchdog of the public purse — was jailed for fraud.
Mr. Silver is accused of using his law practice to rake in millions of dollars while helping clients in Albany.
The charges against Mr. Silver make it scandalously clear how easy it is to buy influence in Albany. The campaign finance system needs a complete overhaul, with lowered limits, more disclosure and public matching funds for campaigns. Until then, lawmakers could end the scam used by many contributors to get around the few limits New York State law does have; they create dozens of small limited-liability corporations that can each give the maximum amount allowed. That was the method prosecutors say was used by Leonard Litwin, the real estate developer, whose company, Glenwood Management, funneled more than $10 million to candidates and party committees, including substantial funds to Mr. Silver."
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
You should not throw stones when you live in a glass house. The fact is New York State is such a fucked up state - extreme and completely corrupt - you just never know with that place.
Eat crow Tom Degan. Upper New York is just like West Virginia, nothing but redneck hillbillies who are too fucking stupid to know their state politicians are fucking them up the arse.
Keep your rose colored glasses on Tommy and continue to believe that under New York State Socialism that Corporations are greedy and corrupt but the Socialist politicians who are supposed to deliver social and economic justice are not. Eat crow Tom Degan.
Wow, I wrote that months ago. You really did your homework. I have to admit you make a dandy point, Chuck. Let me be clear that I never had any illusions that New York is as pure as the driven snow. Believe me.
By the way, I wasn't aware that NY had any socialist reps in the legislature. Perhaps you could point them out to me.
"By the way, I wasn't aware that NY had any socialist reps in the legislature. Perhaps you could point them out to me."
Is that all you got Tom about what a corrupt state NY is and how its Democratic politicians rob the little people like yourself? What state is worse regarding corruption, Illinois?
My bad Tom. The New York State legislature is only made up of Right Wing Tea Party people, NAZIs -).
New York, Illinois, California, and Michigan State legislatures have no socialists, only Right Wing Tea Party people LOL.
Tom, will you do a rant on how easily New York State politicians are bought in Albany by those evil corporations?
Or will there be just crickets like when I showed Dave Dumbya how Michigan sank to the bottom like the Edmund Fitzgerald under "leaning forward" progressive rule?
Or are just the corporations corrupt but not the Politicians (who are supposed to serve social and economic justice, but instead are greedy servants of mammon) when influence is bought?
The reason Albany is such a cesspool is because of career politicians just like in Washington.
These people have no idea about the real world. Most of them never had a real job.
The most they have done is community organizing or maybe a sleazy lawyer.
What is needed is real term limits. One six year term and be on your way.
No pensions, no lifetime medical benefits for them and their families.
Maybe then we'll get some people who do it for their civic duty instead of just trying to steal everything they get their hands on.
When 26 out of the 30 being charged with corruption are Democrats, it tells you their claims to help the little guy are a farce, they are truly greedy servants of mammon!
Lets try to blame the Koch Brothers somehow for the corruption of these pigs in the NY Democrat Party.
I love how conservatives whine and cry about "career politicians" but let someone new come forward and they cry "He's got NO EXPERIENCE!!"
Chucky needs to go back to posting under the name "Sore Loser".
I'd be interested to know which one of the "clown car" Chucky/ Sore Loser supports
No governor can top the damage dome to America by Texan George W. Bush.
Two unending wars, the Great Bush Recession, 3,000 killed by terrorists, 4,000 Americans killed for political gain and crony profit in Iraq.
4,000 dead because of lies. Now THAT is corruption and treason on a grand scale.
Better blame Michigan's former governor.
You said "induction" not enlisting. You get inducted into the baseball hall of fame, IE chosen, you do not enlist yourself into the hall of fame.
Hope that's not over you GPA.
You need to grasp this Mozart. Just because YOU think something is irrelevant doesn't make it so for others. Unless you are under the control of the Thought Police, Chief Dumbya. ARE YOU?
It's like this, most of the people you know hate Reagan, but most of the people you do not know do not hate Reagan. Let that sink in as you ponder anew the fact that the DNC lost 80 seats in Congress to the GOP over the last two midterm elections, the majority of Governors are Republicans and the majority of States legislation's are controlled by the GOP.
You expect me to mention the name of the channel that I quoted from! You arrogant, low IQ, Radical Progressive little nitwit! You (assuming you can read) have yet to supply the names of the six newspapers you claim to read daily for your news.
Why dont you show me a country that has pure capitalism! Not that I expect you to answer.
I can show you counties that have pure socialism and they are pits of hell to live in.
My question to Harley was, is having an organized religion one of the characteristics of a civilized nation? Can he give examples of a civilization that was atheistic?
Not that I'm holding my breath, but since you Mozart, are a self proclaimed atheist, maybe you can answer that?
they are truly greedy servants of mammon!
Lets try to blame the Koch Brothers somehow for the corruption of these pigs
Wow. As the mammomite Kochs openly intend to pump a billion dollars into our next election, they are "above" corruption.
Amazing.
Sore Asshole has yet to indicate how he differs from the radical interests of the Kochs war on constitutional safety nets and regulation of commerce.
By his fruits we know him to be a stooge for the mammon's greatest servants.
The boy troll must REALLY be embarrassed, check out the anger in his posts. LOL.
Reagan did more damage to the USA than any Dem president in history. He sold arms to an enemy nation, which is TREASON, he let the religious fruitloops get control of the GOP, he EXPLODRD the defecit with his HUGE tax cut for the rich. He flushed the family farmer so he could sell the land to corporate farms like Monsanto.
And ask anyone living in California when he was govornor how much the "love" Reagan.
Even his VP tried to have him killled, the ilny problem was his good buddy's son was a bad shot and failed.
If the boy troll REALLY thought I meant a "draft" then he's dumber than everyone thinks he is, and that would boggle the mind.
"You arrogant, low IQ, Radical Progressive little nitwit!" --- Sore Loser, embarrassed and angry over being proven wrong AGAIN.
Senators who voted to push through development of the Keystone XL pipeline today have received, on average, $570,034 in contributions to their campaigns and leadership PACs from the oil and gas industry over the course of their careers. The 35 senators who voted against bill have received, on average, just $78,641 from the industry.
What's the word for this...?
Corruption, bought and paid for by Kochs and Big Oil.
Mozart said:
"Reagan did more damage to the USA than any Dem president in history."
Have you forgotten Jimmy Carter who holds the record for the Misery Index? The Misery Index is the Unemployment and Inflation rate added to together. We were experiencing StagFlation with Jimmy The Clown as President.
Here is a link so your little economically challenged brain can learn more about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)
Jimmy holds the record for the Misery Index.
Ronald Reagan caused the Misery Index to drop 10 points from the mess Carter created.
Also your comment that 16 year olds should be able to vote is a good indicator that you are not the sharpest pencil in the pencil box. I'm sorry that this true comment is not politically correct, but you are a dumb fukker.
Also, after your Dictator hero FDR died (who created the biggest Ponzi scheme Social Security that will eventually collapse as it can't sustain itself no matter how much it is subsidized), the Congress immediately passed a law for Presidential Term Limits to prevent such a Dictatorship from happening again.
Here is a link for you Mozart to learn about FDR being the reason for the 22nd amendment to the Constitution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
"Near the end of the 1944 campaign, Republican nominee Thomas E. Dewey, the governor of New York, announced support of an amendment that would limit future presidents to two terms. According to Dewey, "Four terms, or sixteen years, is the most dangerous threat to our freedom ever proposed."
"Even his VP tried to have him killled"
Which of the six newspapers that you read daily did you get this from?
"And ask anyone living in California when he was "govornor" how much the "love" Reagan."
Funny how Reagan was so unloved that he was elected twice. Must have been all that Koch money.
Just as I thought Mozart, inducted vs enlisted was over your GPA.
James was right, Mozart you are not the sharpest pencil in the box.
Funny how Obama was so unloved that he was elected twice
My High School GPA was 3.79.
Just FYI.
And Reagan wrecjed the economy of California the same as he did the USA. Cut taxes for the rich, borrow with no intention to repay to make it LOOK like the economy is strong, and let the next guy worry about the cleanup.
Kind of like Bush, except his economy was OBVIOUSLY bad. No cover up there.
And I see by Using James term you prove once again you can't think for yourself.
At least I'm a sharper pencil" than the guy who didn't know the word "ad hominem" and didn't know that the Senate was part of Congress.
Now who would THAT person be?
And what say you about your "list of violent Dems" that turned out to be 100% bullshit?
Uh-oh, another typo. Oh well, at least we know what the centerpiece of the boy troll's next whinefest will be.
OK, this is someone's blog, so take it with a grain on that account. There is A LOT of smoke here, but just enough fire to make one say, "Hmmmm..."
Do I really believe it? Well, before 9-11 I'd say 100% NO, but since the Bush familoy cover up of so may things about that day, I wonder. A little.
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2012/02/did-bush-assassinate-reagan.html
I actually wouldn't mind bigger government if it was in fact better than the private sector. Sadly, the vast majority of government programs are poster children of mismanagement, waste, and inefficiency.
You really ought not to be arguing for more government until you can prove we can get good government. Show me the goods, and I'll show you the money.
Poor JJ is oblivious to the millions of Americans who receive health care and a safety net against poverty by constitutional programs for the general welfare.
Take away or privatize Social Security and Medicare, then see if people hate "ineffective big government".
This is called good government, of, by and for the people.
Bad government is the surveillance state and foolish wars of aggression that protect nobody.
Too complicated for the Koch Kult.
ONce again, conservaties NEVER mentin "corporate welfare" or the bloated militaryu budget when complaining about "big government" or too much spending.
But bring up ANYTHING that helps the poor or middle class...
Dave Dubya,
Envy is one of the 7 Deadly Sins. It is easy to get caught up in always thinking about what the other guy in the bigger house has that you don't, but when you do that, you're living your life on his terms, not yours.
We have a good system of voting laws that ensures that every citizen gets one vote, big money or little money notwithstanding. Vote! It's your duty.
The Koch Brothers don't hold a gun to people's heads when they vote, its time to grow up and stop using the Koch Brothers as straw men. Its nobody's fault but yours that you have low skills, are an underachiever, and are in a prison of your own making.
Mozart, Nobody cares about your high school GPA from that 1 room schoolhouse you attended occupied by mostly the retarded. In fact nobody talks about their high school GPA. Sounds like you never went much farther than high school which explains your intellectual insecurities.
"Straw men" don't pour a billion dollars into election propaganda.
What. An. Idiot.
Must be a Koch-sucker
Hmmm, Chucky has resorted to childish insults, not only about ne but about Iowa (home of some of the finest medical schools and award winning High schools)
I gave my GPA because the boy troll seemed obsessed about it.
I guess he knows we are right as well.
No The Kochs don't hold a gun to the heads of individual voters,(they are just brainwashed through fear, and bigotry) but they DO contol the purse strings of the GOP and the people that DO get "elected" do whatever THEY say, while ignoring the PEOPLE they took an oath to serve. Grover Norquist actually has therm all sign an oath to "never raise taxes" or they don't get that coveted "funding". (Isn't coveting a sin as well?)
Plus those same "public servants" then control how voting districts are arranged, so they get to GERRYMANDER so it's nearly impossible for them to lose, even when the popular vote nationwide goes against them.
And now, thanks to the Supremes, not every eligable voter GETS "one vote" because they wetre unable to come up with the special ID's required in red states.
Keep defendoing the Koch bros. Unless you are at least a multi millionare you are supporting people who are screwing YOU as well as those outside the conservative "bubble".
Oh I don't "envy" people who have enough money for 500 lifetimes, and then whine and cry about taxes and the poor. I pity them. I May never see $30,000 a year in my lifetime, but we have a comfortable home (Paid off BTW), more than enough to eat, and even manage to save enough for a nice vacatin every couple years. I have no need or desire to be "monetarily rich". I am wealthy beyond my greatest hopes because I have family and friends.
BTW, The "7 deadly sins" are wrath, GREED, sloth, pride, LUST, envy, and GLUTTONY.
Special emphasis on GREED there Mr. Hypocrite.
But then, I guess since Reagan, conservatives consider greed a virtue don't you?
The idiots in Washington are playing with fire by putting troops in the Ukraine to fight the Russians. We are also sending in heavy artillery and small arms.
A ground war with Russia can easily escalate to an all out nuclear war.
Then these Repub and Demo arguments will finally stop because we will be in dire striates.
Here is a link: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40862.htm
Mozart, you are getting eloquent in your old age!
"Harley, you try to pretend to be a rational-minded centrist, but your ideas and comments are just as crackpot as anything JJ or Sore Loser could cook up."
You don't know what or who I am. Not interested in your opinion.
"I can not think of a civilization that did or does not have an organized religion or in other words atheism, can you?"
Not really, no. I can think of a few despots who were determined to stamp it out best they could and had some success.
Many modern day western European and Scandinavian countries are pretty much post-Christian secular civilizations, but there are still vestiges of Christianity, at least in form. That would have to be the closest thing I know of.
Thank you Harley. When I heard that comment made it grabbed my attention.
I couldn't think of any civilization that had organized atheism or an unorganized religion. Which is interesting when you realize that atheism has not produced a civilization, yet it's followers attack organized religion claiming it is an example of primitive, nonthinking man.
That's not to say I agreed with or believe in the religion of many of the civilizations, cause I don't. But at it's core, one of the characteristics of civilization is the development of an organized religion.
As for the rest of the drivel my question has produced, and I'm guilty of doing it as well, it is darned near impossible to hold an adult like conversation where facts are used to support ones position instead of personal attacks and half truths. Like 9-11 was an inside job, or the results of the last two mid terms didn't happen or Reagan's VP tried to have him killed. Still it really bothers me that the DNC has not rejected the CPUSA's willingness and plan to work with them. They are nit the party of Kennedy and Truman, that's for sure.
I will read the follow up posts from others to this with interest
How do you KNOW there wer no atheists?
Can you imagine someone in 1770's North America announcing they did NOT Believe in the Christian God?
Hell, even Quakers were banned from the Massechusetts bay colony under penalty of DEATH.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/quakers-executed-for-religious-beliefs
And THAT was from people who came to the new world seeking "Religious freedom" (an oxymoron if ever there was one)
Don't get me started on Galileo or the Spanish Inquisition.
It's only been in the last 50 years or so that it's safe, even in the USA to admit to being an Atheist.
And look at how "Christians" treat the Muslims, even those here in the USA who support America and even fight in our military AGAINST extremists!
Conservatives like to lump ALL Muslims together as if they are ALL "terrorists", but just try and compare CHristians to the KKK. See what happens.
Those regemes you bring up like Hitler (who wasn't REALLY an Atheist) Stalin, Mao, etc, were not REALLY Atheists as they thought THEY themselves WERE the "Deity".
Your suggestion that religion is REQUIRED for a "society" is bullshit. It just happens that we are just at the beginning of wholesale rejection of mass superstition. More and more young people reject religion. In time, it will vanish and fade away. Might take a few more decades, but in a few generations, I see religion becoming an anomoly.
And it will not efect "morality" because "faith" is not required for one to be moral. On the contrary, some of the most agressively faithful are the least "moral" because it gives people a false sense of superiority. For example, it was considered OK to kill the Indians because they were "Heathen savages" when in fact most were more "moral" than the Christians. Yes, most had "Gods",(but not REAL ones like yours right?) but again,like the MEN that invented the Christian God in the first place, they were ignorant of how the world worked. They were not moral because of the Gods, they were moral because it was common sense. They thrived because they helped each other. You know. SOCIALISM. (And didn't Jesus tell us to care for each other?)
Having said that, I have always maintained that PURE Socialism never works any more than PURE Capitalism.
We need ideas from ALL areas DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION.
For example, a private for profit Fire Department would not work (I know cause we used to have them in the 1700's and it was a disaster)
Nor would a for profit police departmant be of any use. And how would a "Pay for service" military work? If I miss a payment, how do they take away MY protection without taking that of the rest of my town, county, state, etc?
We've all seen that for profit health care is a disaster. As are for profit PRISONS.
But stuff like building cars or washing machines, and stuff like that should be "for profit". Why not? I won't die without a car or washing machine. I can do without a TV. But everyone has the right to eat and be healthy, and it's in EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST THAT THAT HAPPEN.
Watch now as harley and the boy troll attempt to prove me wrong
This is going to be good I can tell!
Oh, and I NEVER said Iraq was an "inside job". I said that Cheney used it as an opportuniyty to get angry Americans, hungry for revenge to support his war for profit, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed. I said there were whispers that it was true, and there WERE some interesting connections. I deliberately used a site that had little credibility, because it was the paranoid ultra leftist version of the kind of right wing sites the boy troll likes to submit as "factual". Thanks for playng and proving my points.
Jeez, you guys are like shooting fish in a barrel. SOOOO Predictable.
Mozart, I wouldn't dare try to argue with that manifesto.
Harley, you couldn't if you tried. And it's not a "manifesto" just facts. I know how facts confuse and anger conservatives.
But, what's most interesting is that I actually admitted that some very "civilized" modern states are essentially post-Christian and secularized. I don't remember saying it was impossible for atheists to form a civilized society.
But, that's probably me trying to be a rational-minded centrist again. I hear I've been known to do that...
"Even his (Reagan's) VP tried to have him "killled","
Mozart
1:08 PM
1/30/2015
"And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed."
Mozart
11:33 PM
1/31/2015
"How do you KNOW there "wer" no atheists?"
Mozart
11:26 PM
1/31/2015
What I said Mozart was there is no record of a civilization that didn't have an organized religion. Not that there were no atheists in any civilization as you now trying to spin. With your great H.S. G.P.A. I'm sure you can find one. Or make one up. Or you could find it from a website of little creditability where it appears, you get most of your ideas.
Just like you are trying to spin inducted vs enlisted into something it is not. Or change the capital of Russia to Prague.
So basically the boy troll cvan't find fault with any of my facts, so he obsesses on his misunderstanding of my words and tries to use THAT against me.
Hilarious. The same tactic as the "You didn't build that" crowd.
Once again the boy troll can't think for himself.
He also misses the point. The FACT that throughout history, people have been FORCED at gunpoint to "believe". If they choose NOT to worship the God or Gods of the victors, they are killed. Ask the Indians.
Our resident conservatives don't even get the irony of that. More's the pity.
But I DID notice both Harley and the boy troll ignored the FACTS I presented. Harley refused to admit I was right, and slunk away, and the boy troll just changed the subject.
Again.
Even his (Reagan's) VP tried to have him "killled","
Mozart
1:08 PM
1/30/2015
"And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed."
Mozart
11:33 PM
1/31/2015
"So basically the boy troll "cvan't" find fault with any of my facts, so he obsesses on his misunderstanding of my words and tries to use THAT against me."
Mozart
2:50 AM
2/1/2015
Amazing.
Cognitive Dissonance
In answer to the question "I can not think of a civilization that did or does not have an organized religion or in other words atheism, can you?"
Harley replied "Not really, no. I can think of a few despots who were determined to stamp it out best they could and had some success."
Ever notice that the boy troll never answers to his own errors and lies?
Like a good dittoheaded conservative he just keeps posting the same crap over and over as if it will somehow morph into the truth.
I stand by EVERY statement I've made. Do you boy troll? Do you Harley?
Sore Loser,
Its true about Mozart's high GPA in High School.
He has his High School Diploma and GPA score mounted on his living room wall above the fire place mantel.
What he fails to mention is that he was in the Special Needs courses and was picked up by the short school bus.
During her husband's 1992 presidential campaign, Barbara Bush stated that abortion and homosexuality are personal matters and argued that the Republican Party platform should not take a stand on it, saying that "The personal things should be left out of, in my opinion, platforms and conventions." Her personal views on abortion were not known, although her friends reported at that time that she "privately supported abortion rights." She explained, "I hate abortions, but I just could not make that choice for someone else."
In 1971 her son George W Bush committed statutory rape on a young woman named Robin Lowman (under 18 years old). He paid for her abortion, which was illegal at the time.
Mozart1220's Cousin said "I suck the big ones"!
"In 1971 her son George W Bush committed statutory rape on a young woman named Robin Lowman (under 18 years old). He paid for her abortion, which was illegal at the time."
Source
http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159
Even his (Reagan's) VP tried to have him "killled","
Mozart
1:08 PM
1/30/2015
"And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed."
Mozart
11:33 PM
1/31/2015
"I stand by EVERY statement I've made."
Mozart.
Can you say schizophrenia?
Reader, you be the judge
Just because you didn't comprehend what I said, does not mean I lied.
Turn off Rush Limbaugh
Take a High School civics course.
THEN come back and debate with the adults.
Didn't understand what u said.
Weak, really weak schizo Mozart.
Just for grins, let's ask others if they also misunderstood what you said? (under the Honor method of course)
Even his (Reagan's) VP tried to have him "killled""
Mozart
1:08 PM
1/30/2015
"And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed."
Mozart
11:33 PM
1/31/2015
"I stand by EVERY statement I've made."
Mozart.
The boy troll obsesses over my statements. I know what I said, and I stand by EVERYTHING 100%.
Post that over and over if you want. Clearly you have no thoughts of your own.
Probably because Limbaugh is not on on the weekends.
Well THIS should make fuel prices go back up
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oil-workers-in-us-on-first-large-scale-strike-since-1980/ar-AA8QdNb
I wonder how the GOP will spin this? On one hand they HATE unions, but on the other hand, it will benefit the oil companies in the long run because they have an excuse to crank up the price of gas and leave it that way.
I think I understand schizo Mozart's attraction to Obama.
Both are as dumb as a pile of rocks.
Obama was interviewed as part of a Super Bowl pre-game show by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie. Obama says during interview, “We make beer. First president since George Washington to make some booze in the White House”. Guthrie clearly doesn’t get what he just said; she never challenges him.
Obama has the great honor of living in the White House but never checked the tour or the history?
The first president to live in the White House was John Adams, after it was constructed between 1792 and 1800. President George Washington never did, as most American school children learn in elementary school. So no, he never made booze in the White house.
Obama might have missed that since he was living in Indonesia as a young boy, or perhaps he started the Super Bowl partying a bit early…
Even his (Reagan's) VP tried to have him "killled""
Mozart
1:08 PM
1/30/2015
"And I never actually said BUsh I tried to have Reagan killed."
Mozart
11:33 PM
1/31/2015
"I stand by EVERY statement I've made."
Mozart.
Right, Anon, then I said...
"Many modern day western European and Scandinavian countries are pretty much post-Christian secular civilizations, but there are still vestiges of Christianity, at least in form. That would have to be the closest thing I know of."
But, your use of cut and paste is impressive... Nice job.
Anon said...
Well, we don't really know what Anonymous cowards say because they like to remain anonymous... for good reason. I would too.
"I stand by EVERY statement I've made. Do you boy troll? Do you Harley?"
No. I don't stand by most of what you've said..
Once again the boy troll misunderstands what someone smarter than him said.
Obama never said Washington lived in the White House did he? And even if he DID it's still not as big a gaff as the Boy troll thinking the Senate was not part of congress. Notice how he never answers to THAT one?
All the boy troll cam do is repeat the same crap over and over, because there is no one telling him what to say.
Limbaugh will be back today, so he'll have more BS to spew which will have NOTHING to do with anything relevant here.
And Harley has begun to be as bad as Sore Loser. No substance, just ultra right wing BS.
One wonders which occupant of the GOP clown car they think should lead the country. It really doesn't matter since the second they get in office they will do as the Koch Bros say.
Cut taxes
Repeal the ACA
Privatize Social Security and medicare
Eliminate food stamps and unemployment benefits
Remove any and all regulations on the big corporations, especially oil companies.
Build the XL pipeline so the Kochs can profit.
Put women back into servitude to men.
But anything that helps the PEOPLE and the COUNTRY will be ignored because we "can't afford them"
No infrastructure bills
No jobs bills
No renewable energy
Nothing for returning Veterans
Just like always.
Also notice that neither Harley nor the boy troll will say they stands behind THEIR statements.
They can't. They have been PROVEN wrong too many times.
Lie and run that's their policy.
It was a joke, Mozart. Lighten up and get a sense of humor.
Do I stand by EVERY STATEMENT I'VE EVER MADE? Of course not. Only an egomaniac could say such a thing. I've made mistakes. So, no, I can't stand by every statement I've ever made. Sometimes I have to retract something I've said. But, you have never proven anything regarding statements I've made on this blog. So, in that sense, I'm pretty sure I still stand by most of what I've said.
I stand by EVERYTHING I have said here. If I am not certain of my facts I don't post. Pretty simple concept, but apparently beyond you and the boy troll.
Harley A,
It's like this, Mozart says there is no God, therefore Mozart is god, and as such is accountable only to himself (and his beloved progressive govt programs).
Asking him to lighten up is like raising the Titanic from the ocean floor, in theory it could be done, but in reality, not so much.
Obama said "we make beer, first President since George Washington to make booze in the WHITE HOUSE",
Mozart said "Obama never said Washington lived in the White House did he?"
DUH!!
Just a gaff, yet my gaff about Congress is greater than the one made by the President, you know the guy who taught at Harvard. The guy who LIVES in the WH.
Like 57 States. But Mozart, now he never makes gaffs.
What Mozart fails to understand is the White House wasn't built when Washington was in office, so how could he have made booze there? Simple answer is he could not have, Obama said he did. I know, there I go blaming he back guy again.
Again all of this is over Mozart's understanding.
I would challenge Mozart to validate all of his claims about the GOP as he posted @ 9:41 AM 2/2/15
but why bother, it's just a waste my time. In fact debating/arguing a Radical Progressive is just a waste of time, time that could be better spent working to get elected the candidates who support classical liberalism, not Progressivism and or democratic social-welfarism". Make the next round of elections even more costly to the DNC by losing more seats in Congress, defeating more DNC State Governors, and increasing the number of State legislators controlled by the GOP.
Since I don't listen to Limbaugh on a regular basis, I didn't know he was gone, did you?
SL -
Mozart is a delusional, humorless, impolite would-be bully. This blog has become a joke... not a place for serious discussion.
If I say there is No God (actually I maintain that there is no EVIDENCE that any God exists) then I cannot BE a "god" myself. However, my "beloved progressive gov't programs" are closer to the teachings of the Biblical Jesus than any of the "screw the poor" programs of the GOP.
Asking the boy troll to present some actual facts, and then back up and stand behind them is like raising the Titanic from the ocean floor, in theory it could be done, but in reality, not so much.
If the boy troll has to go back to a campaign goof, where ALL the candidates say things like that proves he has no real facts about important issues. Should we start listing all the goofy things Reagan and Bush II said after they were already elected? Everyone knows Obama meant "47 states", even Newty said that was stupid thing to attack Obama about.
The White house was BEING built while Washington was in office, and Obama said SINCE Washington, not INCLUDING Washington.
And all Sore Loser would have to do is watch something besides Fox news, or at least come up out of the conservative bubble he lives in and walk around in the REAL WORLD for a few days. He'd see that everything I posted is 100% true.
And if you don't ever listen to Limbaugh, why is it that you repeat what he says pretty much word for word 90% of the time? I'll bet you never watch Fox either. No one ever does, that's how they got those "ratings" they brag about. .
AS for his "Classic Liberalism" one only need to look up the definition to see that it's just a term for what is now called "Conservative".
I could call myself a "Classic conservative" since that is now called "Liberalism" or "PROGRESSive".
What the boy troll has actually done is prove my point that the "titles" have switched since the 1800's. Lincoln would today be a "Liberal" Just like Jesus as he is portrayed in the Bible
Sore loser doesn't even realize he's proven me right AGAIN. Hilarious.
Mozart,
While Harley ignores the transgressions and dishonesty as he he consoles the asshole troll, we see your serous points go un-countered:
It really doesn't matter since the second they get in office they will do as the Koch Bros say.
Cut taxes
Repeal the ACA
Privatize Social Security and medicare
Eliminate food stamps and unemployment benefits
Remove any and all regulations on the big corporations, especially oil companies.
Build the XL pipeline so the Kochs can profit.
Put women back into servitude to men.
But anything that helps the PEOPLE and the COUNTRY will be ignored because we "can't afford them"
No infrastructure bills
No jobs bills
No renewable energy
Nothing for returning Veterans
Just like always.
You have defined the goals of the radical Right. And radical is the correct term for such drastic and punitive changes.
The tragedy is too many spineless sold out corpo-dems will join in this dismantling constitutional safety nets and regulation of commerce.
The Right has ALWAYS been about their version of the Golden Rule. Those with the gold make the rules.
This is a place for serious discussion after all.
Thanks.
" not a place for serious discussion".
I have to agree with that assessment. I post a link showing that for the first time in history the US armed forces have a very strong possibility of fighting the regular Russian Army in the Ukraine and it is ignored.
I guess dumb gaffes by Obama is more important to talk about.
The seven points that Mozart listed is correct, although I would word the last one differently.
A few more are dismantling and privatize the Post Office.
Destroy the Teachers union.
Pass the TPP and two other trade deals which will harm the US in many ways.
Defund the EPA.
Weaken OSHA.
All in all a great agenda.
If Obama sends weapons to the Ukraine he's dragging the USA into war with Russia so he's a bad president.
If Obama refuses to get involved in the Ukraine then he's showing Putin is a better leader and Obama is weak and is a bad president.
SO conservatives, what would YOU have Obama do?
Serious question for serious people. I don't expect anything but childish retorts from Harley or the boy troll.
To be clear, this is the agenda the Kochs billion dollars for the next election is pushing:
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
• “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
• “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
• “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
• “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
• “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
• “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
• “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
• “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
• “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
• “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
• “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
• “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
• “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
• “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
• “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
• “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
• “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
• “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
• “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
• “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
• “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
• “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
• “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
• “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
• “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”
So basically what they want is to remove ALL rules protecting the public and free reign to do anything they want.
If yu are already rich when this happens you MIGHT be OK.
If you are just a wage earner living paycheck to paycheck, not so much.
By their standards aren't the laws against murder and rape "government oppression"?
Gun laws don't keep criminals from aquiring guns, so we should not have THOSE Laws. (actually they aid in punishing the misuse, but don't expect "classic Liberals" like the boy troll to comprehend that)
Laws against Murder, rape, theft, etc. don't completely eliminate those crimes, so why have the laws?
Once we see the true face of "classic liberalism" we understand how extreme this ideology can be.
Where are the noble defenders of this agenda now that it is exposed?
Every vote for a Republican brings this horror closer to reality.
Low information voters will wonder what happened when it all goes down...then they will be told to blame liberals.
And they will blame liberals, just like fascists always need their scapegoats.
Mozart, Dumbya,
All of the things you say the GOP is going to do, have you forgotten that fact that the DNC lost 80 seats in Congress to the GOP over the last two midterm elections, the majority of Governors are now Republicans and the majority of States legislation's are now controlled by the GOP, due to the GOP promising to do some of the things you listed?
The things they didn't promise are simply typical Radical Progressive scare tactics, like running adds showing seniors eating dog food or black churches burning.
In the most important poll, which was taken just in the past 4 months, your platform was rejected by voters. Like Harley said, is it no surprise then that you oppose voter ID laws? So you can win elections will illegal votes.
Why? Americans are rejecting your policy's.
Look at 2016, who is your front runner and right now only candidate for President.
Hillary Clinton. That's the best the DNC has to offer the American voter!
Look at the GOP, admit it or not they have a diverse field of various views from 16 different candidates. Now there's choice for you.
A diverse field of various views from 16 different candidates? A diverse field of various views?
• Reduce Taxes For The Wealthy
• Reduce Regulations For Corporations
And that's it. That's always been it.
Honestly Caprice, if they were all the same on every issue, every method, why wouldn't they all have the same poll numbers? So far the DNC has one candidate, a 67 year old former first lady who from what I can tell, has worked little if at all in the private sector to allow her ID with the 99% of us and has zero accomplishments as Secretary of State. I've asked this before, is this who you see as the spokesperson for the future of your political party? Is she the best the DNC has to offer?
Don't forget the Communist Party USA has on their website a statement where they state they plan to work with the DNC to stop the any thing from slowing down the Progressive agenda currently being driven by the DNC.
Doesn't that tweak your interest at all? Doesn't that cause concern for your support of the DNC's agenda along with the election results that I've posted here many times, that just maybe the Majority of Americans DON"T support your positions?
Maybe the majority of Americans are less concerned about tax increases on the rich than you want to be and are more concerned about the growing power and influence of govt in their every day lives?
Maybe the majority of Americans realize that the so called tax cut for the middle class that Obama talks about, is less in a year than what Obama spent for dinner while on vacation.
As I told Mozart, just because most of the people you know favor the the Radical Progressive agenda, doesn't mean the most of the people you don't know don't favor it.
Think about this for a second, 1st define what you think a person has to earn to be rich.
Now ask yourself, has anyone who by your own definition of rich ever crested or given you a job? To the best of your knowledge has wealth ever been CREATED by government, IE didn't create the wealth by taking it from some one else?
How therefore, is wealth created? Don't you want all Americans to be wealthy?
Then why, would your support policy's that inhibit the creation of wealth?
I shared a chart from the govt showing who pays the majority of income taxes, and it's not the middle and lower class income groups. You know what the response to that was? You hater of the poor, why are you asking them to pay more taxes!
Crazy talk!
And there you have it confirmed again.
• Reduce Taxes For The Wealthy
• Reduce Regulations For Corporations
And that's it. That's always been it.
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” John Kenneth Galbraith
John Kenneth "Ken" Galbraith, OC was a Canadian and, later, American economist, public official, and diplomat, and a leading proponent of 20th-century American liberalism.
In other words, what would you expect him to say? He was a Radical Progressive.
The truth. And he nailed it, as exemplified by the troll.
You are the troll Dumbya.
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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