Monday, July 21, 2014

Fascist Barbi in 2016

Like a bolt out of the blue
Fate steps in to see you through
When you wish upon a star
Your dreams come true

Jiminy Cricket 

BREAKING NEWS: God wants the president of the United States to be impeached. How do I know this? Because Sarah Palin says so.

Sometimes I can't believe my good fortune. I'm the kind of guy who loves a nice train wreck - of the figurative variety you understand. At a time when I've learned to live with the idea that my circumstances could not possibly get any better, that this is as good as it is ever gonna get, Lady Luck blows another passionate kiss in my direction. It was proven to me this morning that Sarah Palin is contemplating a run for the presidency two years from now. When asked point blank by Fox Noise's Greta von Susteran if she was going to go for the big prize she coyly replied. "Never say never." I realize that that's not much of a statement of intent, but it's all I have to go on. Oh, please, fate! Oh, please! Oh, please! Oh, please!

Somebody pinch me. 

But it gets worse (or "better" for my purposes): Our gal Sarah might even be contemplating running in a third party uprising. That's right, kiddies! As she has been hinting in recent months, the Grand Old Party just isn't extreme enough for this jabbering twit. She apparently wants to bring U.S. politics into Nazi territory. Isn't that sweet? Do you think that's an extreme take on where they're heading? Consider the following quotation:

"I think we would be totally in the right to do it....Ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss."

No, that wasn't Herman Goering talking. That was some moron named Scott Esk, a candidate for the statehouse of Oklahoma (where the wind comes sweeping down the plain). He was advocating the execution of gays and lesbians. Nice. It should be noted here that since making that idiotic statement, the Republican National Committee has not lifted a gnarled finger to distance themselves from or reprimand this demented asshole. 

Somebody cue the band:

Deutschland! Deutschland!
Uber Alles!

I've written before on this site about the day John McCain announced his choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate. The place was Dayton, Ohio. At that time the only thing I knew about her was that she was the governor of Alaska. I could not come up with a mental image of her in my mind - she was that unknown to me. The moment she stepped forward and opened her mouth, she reminded me of Sally Field. Not Sally Field as Norma Ray - Sally Field as Gidget. I immediately went to the computer to get some information about her. The first thing that caught my eye was the date of her birth: February 11, 1964, a date I could clearly remember. That was the day that my maternal grandmother, Loretta Doran Clements, died unexpectedly in South Bend, Indiana. (ATTN FAB FOUR FANS: It was also the day the Beatles played their first concert in America). 

But other than those two coincidences, there was nothing in her paper-thin biography that warranted any attention. It was clear to me that the Republican party was about to commit electoral suicide with a candidate who was clearly and pathetically out of her league. On the day John McCain announced his choice of running mate, I knew that Barack Obama would be the next president of the United States. It was a fairly easy call.

McCain  wasn't too keen on the idea of Sarah Palin on the ticket. His choice had been Joe Leiberman. A former Democrat and a Jew to boot? As conservative as old Joe obviously was, those two nasty little facts were enough to give "the base" a severe case of spastic apoplexy. Sarah was their gal. And she ended up hanging around John McCain's neck throughout the duration of the campaign of 2008 like some half-witted albatross.  By "going rogue" as she did, she virtually destroyed the Senator's lifelong ambition to serve as chief-executive. But for Sarah Palin, John McCain would be sleeping in the Oval Office at this very moment. Can you imagine the torment the poor guy must live with each and every day? Oh, those damnable might-have-beens!

As I wrote way the heck back in 2010, when someone like Sarah Palin can make it as far as she has, it can mean only one thing and it's not a particularly good sign. We are living in a culture that has been custom-tailored for idiots. When a person who can barely put two coherent sentences together without the aid of a state-of-the-art teleprompter becomes one of the best-selling non-fiction authors of the decade, that's usually a pretty good indicator that society is spiraling downward at a fairly decent clip. Fasten your seat belts, kiddies!

This is too good to be true. Whether she seeks the nomination as a Republican or Tea Partier (DIRTY LITTLE SECRET: They're now two separate parties) is beside the point. All that I know for certain is that 2016 is going to be the most mystically weird and wonderful campaign season in the history of this diseased land. For those of us who thrive on the gales of laughter provided to us by Sarah Palin and unintentional comedians like her, these are indeed sweet times to be alive.

Honestly, I never dreamed that my luck would get this good.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY


Game Change
Directed by Jay Roach

Based on the book by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin, "Game Change" tells the sad (and riotously funny) story of the political catastrophe that was the McCain/Palin campaign of 2008. If it's not available from the friendly, independently-owned video store in your neighborhood (HA! Like they even exist anymore!) here's a link to order it off of

See this movie. We're talkin' "Essential Viewing" here!


At 1:39 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Anonymous whining about Obama in 3...2...1...

At 5:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Where can send you the cheese to go with your wine?

At 6:01 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

I'm not the one that brings a rant about Obama into every thread. Oh, case you forgot...

"Ahh Mozart, Mitch McConnell is in the Senate, not the Congress.


At 6:38 PM, Anonymous Jay said...

I honestly look forward to it Tom. I am of the belief that at least half, perhaps 70%, of those who claim to be Republican or "conservative" have no goddamn idea what they are talking about. I don't hear Republican ideas these days. I do hear a lot of hate and anger and I think that has become what defines what a "Republican" is these days.

True Republicans have embraced the idiocy of the Tea Party for numbers alone. I can't verbalize to you *one* Tea Party idea. They are more united by their hate of Obama than Republicanism, leaving the vocal group--the stupid ones, like Sarah--to set the rhetoric.

It would be grand for Sarah to run as a third party candidate! It would be good for this country to see the sheer number of absolute buffoons follow her because they think she has some idea. The Republican party will be wounded for a time, but they'll come back and hopefully without the dummies.

Run Sarah Run!

At 7:04 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Maybe she will ask Rick Perry or Mitt Romney to be her running mate. The entertainment value from the Daily Show,Colbert, and Bill Maher would be PRICELESS.

At 7:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where can I send you the cheese to go with your whine?

At 10:17 PM, Anonymous Harry said...

"I'm the kind of guy who loves a good train wreck".

Me too Tom. Like the Obama train wreck.

Tom, Dave, Mozart, its time to pull your heads out of your asses!

Even Salon has had enough of the worst President since WWII!

Right-wing obstruction could have been fought: An ineffective and gutless presidency’s legacy is failure

Yes, we know, the crazy House. But we were promised hope and change on big issues. We got no vision and less action

At 10:26 PM, Blogger Rick De said...

I'd have to say as funny as you may you think Palin is, our great President Hussein is the the most hilarious joke we've ever had running our country. Can you believe we have 2 more years of this pathetic moron ?

At 10:36 PM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

Rick De:

Where the fuck were you between the years 2001 and 2009?

Just curious.


At 11:13 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Harry, you went to a Liberal website and now you can see that Liberals are not afraid to criticize their own.
Does that make you just a little bit disappointed that your side does not have that courage or ability to do the same?

Kudos for looking outside the box though.

At 11:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Did you have a job from 2001 through 2009?
Do you have a job now?
What year did you lose your job?

It's clear to me the only solutions is to impeach Fascist Barbi, GWB, and Cheney. But there is a problem, none of them have been in office for close to six years.

Details, details, details,

At 9:53 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Anonymous, I am doing better now than I was 2001-2009. I know my 401K CERTAINLY is. In fact it took it 5 years after Obama took office to get bact to where it was BEFORE Bush.

Second, you can repeat your stupid accusation of me "whining" all you want, but remember, I knew the Senate was part of congress, you didn't, and I find that hilarious.

Third, there is a reason Palin, Bachman, Perry, Romney, etc. Have not been POTUS for 6 years. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT WANT THEM THERE!

It is just a hard cold fact that you will have to get used to, that the GOP killed the economy 2001-2009 and it has IMPROVED greatly under OBama in spite of GOP obstructionism.

OK, Anonymous, back to your whinefest about President Blackenstein. We know you need your stpiend from the EIB.

At 11:41 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

"Never say never". This is what keeps the nitwits enthralled enough to keep sending Sarah money. She may be an idiot, but she's a greedy and wealthy idiot, who knows how to fleece the sheep while providing and producing NOTHING.

At 11:54 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Tom, Dave, Mozart, its time to pull your heads out of your asses!

Harry Chuckie is projecting again.

SOME of us are independent thinkers, capable of criticizing BOTH parties.

Radical far Right authoritarian personalities cannot do so, as true believer Chuckie has proven ever so consistently.

Thanks again, Chuckie.

At 1:12 PM, Blogger Floyd M. Orr said...

I haven't heard your name in years, Tom, but another blogger linked to this post. I hope you have read PARADIGM SHIFT: The Palin Matrix. Keep up the great work!

At 1:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Butt out Mozart, no one pulled your chain.
Where can we send your cheese to go with your whine?

At 1:44 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Maybe neither party is perfect, but as long as we have what we have, I'll keep voting Democtrat. At least they TRY to help the poor and middle class. THe GOP is more like Marie (Let them eat cake) Antoinette every year. My hope is that either Cory Booker or Elizebth Warren steps into the ring. A world with one as POTUS and one as Speaker of the House would be sweet!

At 3:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At least they TRY to help the poor and middle class." By taking from Others and redistributing less than what they took, right?

"authoritarian" like those who have to govern and control through executive orders and mandates because no one would do what they order otherwise?

At 3:27 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Real redistribution has been trickling up for decades. That's what deregulation and tax cuts for the rich do. It eventually leads to severe recession or depression, as kindly, and repeatedly, demonstrated by the GOP.

Chuckie has nothing to say about Sarah... Can't imagine why... He must be ashamed of the authoritarian "Quitter in Lipstick".


At 3:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Associated Press

BREAKING: Obama administration says health care subsidies will keep flowing despite court decision.

Sounds a bit "authoritarian" doesn't it. Or maybe law breakers. Nah, no way.

At 3:46 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

Actually, the most severe redistribution is the generational redistribution that both parties have facilitated for the last few decades. The redistribution of wealth from our kids and grandkids to ourselves and our parents is in the tens of trillions and growing.

So, not only are we destroying them in utero at an alarming rate, we are robbing from the ones that do survive...

What a country, eh?

At 3:47 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Oh, the horror!! "Health care subsidies"!

It does nothing for the rich, therefore it is evil and "authoritarian" to the RRBC cult.

Better to have the "Let 'em die" GOP plan, right, Chuckie?

Thanks for the outrage, Chuckie.

At 3:52 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

So, not only are we destroying them in utero at an alarming rate, we are robbing from the ones that do survive...

I would add we are leaving the next generation a militarist, corporatist, surveillance state as well.

Soon the Kochs and their fellow polluters will be free of all that nasty environmental regulation, too.

A paradise of corporatist libertarians. They will prosper...and no one else.

At 5:17 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Not as "Authoritarian" as spending all your time and MONEY trying to shut down a law that has not only been approved by the Supreme Court, but that is already helping MILLIONS of people.

Anonyomus, do you REALLY think you have any credibility discussing politics? You didn't even know the Senate was part of congress!!! LOL.

At 6:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also hope Palin runs. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert got some of their best inspirations from her. Add in John Oliver, and the laugh riot is ready to commence!

At 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Stop your whining, the courts will settle this and after they do you can go back to blaming GWB Palin, Tea Party, Koch brothers, etc for all of the worlds ills.
I guess you don't realized that our authoritarian President still has to obey the courts and obey and defend our Constitution. Which up to this date, he's done a piss poor job of doing.

Bummer, huh?

At 7:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what's in it...." Congresswomen Nancy Pelosi. And then if we find we dont like what is in it, our Mr.authoritarian President can always change it by executive order instead of going back through the congress. Like other legislation. Good to be King.

Looks like the courts are finding out what's in it.

At 8:58 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Yes, run, Sarah, run.

And run, Chicken Chuckie, run. Run from the topic.

Run from your dear Saviorette Sarah, the Quitter in Lipstick.

Whatever happened to the "real Americans" like Chicken Chuckie?

They cowardly flee from the subject as well as from the truth.

Better blame the black guy.

At 10:09 PM, Anonymous James Hanson said...

Dave Alinsky Dubya,

Lets just hope Halbig v. Burwell, which challenges the availability of subsidies on federally operated insurance marketplaces, sticks!

With Obama acting like a Liberal Fascist and modifying the law "passed by congress" freely whenever he wants like Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Joseph Stalin, etc lets hope that pig with lipstick, ObamaCare collapses!

Obama and his ACA are both steamy piles of marxist dog shit!

At 11:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's clear to me the only solution is to impeach Fascist Barbi, GWB, and Cheney. But there is a problem, none of them have been in office for close to six years.

Details, details, details,

At 11:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama Voters Demand That Other People Pay For Their Water
Posted by V the K at 7:42 am - July 22, 2014.
Filed under: Socialism in America

98% of the voters in Detroit voted for Obama, in some precincts, more than 100% of them voted for Obama. And now 80,000 of them have stopped paying their water bills, and are demanding that water be provided to them for free. Progressive Left Liz Warren supporters agree; Government should raise taxes on productive, responsible people to provide free water to unproductive, irresponsible people. And the NAACP has weighed in, saying, “These companies are basically Caucasian companies, the folks who are being cut off are almost one hundred percent African American.” So, basically, white people are obligated to provide free water to black people because racism.

There was a time in America when a situation like this would be met by churches, charities, and communities banding together to raise money to help people pay their bills. But that’s not how it works in Obama’s America. No, in Obama’s America, if you are too irresponsible to pay your bills, you join together with a bunch of other irresponsible selfish people and assert that you have a “right” to things you’re not willing to pay for and demand that the Government force other people to pay for them.

But, really, what else can you expect when the dominant philosophy of the Democrat Party is “Anything you want is a right and the Government should force people to provide it for you; birth control, cell phones, wifi access, student “loans,”EBT cards, transgender surgery…” So, why not water.

At 9:23 AM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Anon, I am with you all the way on this one.
You know what is even worse, tens of millions of cats and dogs get free water also! This has to stop! Lock and load!!!

At 12:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Hansen I suggest you take it up with the Gay Patriot at his website.
Here's the address.

P.S. How do you figure dogs and cats get free water? Don't their owners (if they dont live in Detroit that is) pay for their home's water and therefore the water of their pets?

At 12:59 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Gay Republicans...go figure. Talk about the great disconnect. From Chuckie's new gay spokesman:

Since abandoning Social Conservatism (in deed if not in word), the Republican Party has lost a key part of its identity. One writer thinks the GOP should re-invent itself along populist, anti-corporatist lines. Given that Republicans are joined at the hip with Big Business interests represented by the US Chamber of Commerce, such a reinvention seems unlikely.

Having abandoned Pro-Family, Social Conservative values, the Republican Party has no clear theme, no clear vision of what it is or what it stands for. The Republicans have a slogan, “Growth and Opportunity” that’s as vapid and meaningless as “Hope and Change,” since they have no real policies or plan to advance even that vague agenda."

At least the "Gay Patriot" has a clue about who owns the GOP. Now all he needs to do is figure out who's interests are represented and who's are not. Big disconnect.

But at least he shares the GOP's scorn for the poor. Nothing unites the Right like hate.

Isn't that right, Chuckie?

At 2:18 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

Anon - why are you such a hater.

Everyone knows Detroit is sitting on mounds of cash right now and its economy is booming. It is unfathomable that they would expect residents to pay their water bills. What - you expect them to walk next door and get a drink if they're thirsty! C'mon... why do you hate people so much?!

At 3:13 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Harley, these must be the end times when 80,000 families in one city is in danger of getting their water shut off.

What are the ramifications of a hundred thousand thirsty, dirty and angry people going to do?

Are they going to have a squad car at every fire hydrant 24/7?

What is a Republican solution to this problem?

At 3:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Harley,

I never realized I was such a hater. Must be because I dont believe in Man caused climate change, or race based affirmative action, or 99% of what the EPA is doing to our economy, or that the IRS is telling us the truth, or that if I liked my insurance/Dr under the ACA I could keep it, or that the ACA was going save an average of $2500 a year to those who signed up or that every problem since the dawn of time can be blamed on the rich, the GOP, the Tea Party, the Koch or the Tea Party. Or better still anything called BIG except for BIG GOVERNMENT is BAD.

Or is it because I believe that having 92 million American not working is not a rebounding economy, or that allowing an invasion of our southern border is a "humanitarian thing to do", or that the NSA is being used for domestic political purposes, or that our State Dept. completely dropped the ball in the attack in Benghazi, or that Islam not is a religion of peace, or that Israel is a trouble maker, or that the one place we should NOT cut our spending is on defense, or that I don't believe "Fascist Barbi" is largest source of evil since Eve tempted Adam with the forbidden fruit. Should we call Senator Warren Commie Liz?

Or maybe what makes me a hater is how I don't understand why the illegals who travel hundreds of miles to enter our country are willing to do so at great risk for a chance of a better life, but the citizens of Detroit, who want, no demand, free water, won't move 50 miles into Canada were health care is better, there is lower unemployment, the cost of water is less and there is no racism?

I guess I'm such a hater because I don't understand why the haters of Conservatism, GWB etc, don't reinstate the Jacobin Tribunals, dust off the tumbrels and take the focus of their hate to guillotines and remove their stain from our "planet". Or that anyone, much less a State Governor, would say and believe this "Gov. Jay Inslee(OR) introduced Obama with a long evocation of 1960s civil rights struggles, saying Obama is “bending the arc of the moral universe forward.” WHAT??

Or I'm a hater because I dont believe that women's reproductive rights should mean this "a former Planned Parenthood abortion clinic director says Planned Parenthood put a price on the value of a human life: $313.29. That's the profit made for each abortion performed".

Or maybe I a hater because those who oppose conservatism, do so by playing the race card, or praying on the weakest of us with a promise that liberal govt will make it all better, when there is not one shred of evidence that is true.

And I must be a hater because while the debt jumped under GWB, under Obama the debt has exploded and is never a problem that he should be dealing with, instead of campaigning, taking his 144 days of vacation, not at home like GWB but at some elitist resort (that 99% of his supporters could never afford), and all his O-baggers are lock step in support of his every action. (except to say he's not liberal enough. Good God man, how much more liberal should he be?)

Yup, Harley, I guess that pretty much wraps up why I'm such a hater. Wanna bet some of the regulars will find some things I left out?

At 4:20 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

"What are the ramifications of a hundred thousand thirsty, dirty and angry people going to do?"

Continue to be Detroit ?

At 5:06 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

ANonymous, sit down, the ADULTS are trying to have a conversation. Maybe you should go back to 6th grade, where you will learn that the SENATE IS PART OF CONGRESS.

Your little message to Harley is just a list of right wing talking points. Have you ever had an original thought?

At 5:27 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Maybe Chuckie is such a hater because he can't recognize sarcasm.

Or maybe it is because his entire world view is framed by nothing but resentments fueled by corporate PR and GOP propaganda.

No wonder such a fearful little man calls children seeking asylum an "invasion".

No wonder he's angry at someone calling Sarah "Real American" Palin "Fascist Barbie", but its OK for him to insinuate liberals are commies. Fair is fair, right. Double standards are only for the far Right.

No wonder he's more angry about Benghazi than about the tragedy in Iraq for crony profit and political gain.

No wonder all the deaths and trillion plus dollars of debt for Iraq doesn't trigger his outrage, but thirsty poor people, and refugee children are targets of his hate. Real Christian of him to hate blacks and the poor, right? Not a trace of compassion from this fanatic. He reeks of resentment, hate, and intolerance.

Poor Chuckie is detached from reality, which is the entire purpose of corporate PR and GOP propaganda.

"...a promise that liberal govt will make it all better, when there is not one shred of evidence that is true.

We call this willful blindness and political indoctrination. Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits have MADE IT BETTER for millions of Americans, Even some of the fellow cultists in his RRBC bubble of hate.

Remember the Tea Party sign, "Keep Government Hands off my Medicare"?

That is Chuckie, but to radical fringe cases like Chuckie, there is "not one shred of evidence".

If a military corporate state needed useful dupes, Chuckie is their kind of man. Chuckie is more than happy to blame liberals for everything bad. Fascism needs scapegoats.

His hate is the kind of hate that fuels fascism in America.

At 5:35 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

Maybe my sarcasm was too subtle. Anon, I don't think you're a hater.

At 6:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anything, this year's environment for Democrats is shaping up to be as bleak. Sizable majorities oppose the Obama administration's handling of nearly every issue, including the economy, health care, and foreign policy. The administration looks out of its element, lurching from foreign policy crises to domestic scandal over the past year. Even out of the headlines, Obamacare is still a driving force for Republicans and for unfavorable poll numbers. This week, Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg released new data showing Obama's disapproval at a whopping 60 percent in 12 Senate battlegrounds, with half strongly disapproving of his performance. Overall, Republicans held a 2-point edge on the battleground generic ballot, 46 percent to 44 percent.

Man do I hate this. Let's impeach GWB

At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harley I know that, my answer was in may ways tongue in check. Thanks for the concern

At 6:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"resentments fueled by corporate PR and GOP propaganda."

Sounds like a true O-bagger with a little projection problem.

At 6:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are the ramifications of a hundred thousand thirsty, dirty and angry people going to do?"

Move to Canada would be my advise, just as the thousands of poor wretched homeless children invading across our southerner border, let the poor thirsty of Detroit move to Canada.

It's close and just to the east of you.

At 6:52 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

What is an "O-bagger"? Sounds like a derisive hate term.

Since the hate is directed at me, would Chuckie care to substantiate his accusation?

Didn't think so. Hate for hate's sake. Period.

At 6:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ndividuals exposed to socialism were twice as likely to cheat as those who had not been in a socialist system, says a new study from a collaboration between Duke University and the University of Munich. "The longer individuals were exposed to socialism, the more likely they were to cheat on our task."

Researchers compared 259 participants' willingness to lie and cheat by playing a simple game that could earn them $8. Every game player was asked to throw a pair of dice 40 times and record every roll of the dice on paper. Those with the highest tallies would have the highest payoff. Players had to commit to write down the number on either the top or the bottom of the dice. Since they didn't have to say which side they had chosen, it was easy to cheat by rolling the dice and then pretending the higher number was the side they had chosen.

The Economist says:

Honest participants would be expected to roll ones, twos and threes as often as fours, fives and sixes. But that did not happen: the sheets handed in had a suspiciously large share of high numbers, suggesting many players had cheated.

After the game, participants wrote down where they grew up, and for how long they had lived there. Those who grew up in East Germany were twice as likely to cheat as those who grew up in capitalism in West Germany. And, the longer someone had lived in East Germany, the more likely they were to lie about the result of their dice rolls.

"We interpret our findings as evidence that the political regime of socialism has a lasting impact on citizens' basic morality," say the study's authors Ariely, Garcia-Rada, Hornuf and Mann.


At 7:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...



"WASHINGTON — Democrats were thrilled when John Walsh of Montana was appointed to the United States Senate in February. A decorated veteran of the Iraq war and former adjutant general of his state’s National Guard, Mr. Walsh offered the Democratic Party something it frequently lacks: a seasoned military man.

On the campaign trail this year, Mr. Walsh, 53, has made his military service a main selling point. Still wearing his hair close-cropped, he notes he was targeted for killing by Iraqi militants and says his time in uniform informs his views on a range of issues.

But one of the highest-profile credentials of Mr. Walsh’s 33-year military career appears to have been improperly attained. An examination of the final paper required for Mr. Walsh’s master’s degree from the United States Army War College indicates the senator appropriated at least a quarter of his thesis on American Middle East policy from other authors’ works, with no attribution."

Following in the footsteps of our V.P Biden.

At 7:03 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Which type of person would abandoned a commitment to public office in order to facilitate stardom, wealth, and personal ambition?

Yes, Sarah the Quitter in Lipstick.

If East Germans are more dishonest than West Germans, Republicans are more likely to fail to honor commitments to the public and follow their greed.

What more proof do we need, right?

Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism.

When will Chuckie show us how I fit his hate term, O-bagger?

Can he commit to an explanation, or will he follow Sarah's example and run away?

Bwaack! Run, Chicken Chuckie, run.

At 7:13 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

You are quite generous to Chuckie.

How do you sense your little buddy's feelings for me, liberals and Obama?

Compassionate conservative?

At 7:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jonathan Turley: The DC circuit is right, there is no ambiguity about Obamacare subsidies

Jonathan Turley said he agrees with the DC Circuit court of appeals over the 4th circuit, pointing out the law is clear as it is written that subsidies must go through state exchanges. But he said this has bigger implications, suggesting it has to do with how POWERFUL federal agencies have become.

Can you say AUTHORITARIAN ??

At 7:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, good thing Palin's not running for or in office or we would really have someone to focus on instead of the man who is “bending the arc of the moral universe forward.”

What minute, she's not running or in office


At 7:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything we’ve been told up to this point about Lois Lerner’s email is that it was a big hard drive crash that was completely unrecoverable. But the truth is looking like something totally different:

House investigators said Tuesday that the computer hard drive of ex-agency official Lois Lerner — a key figure in the IRS targeting scandal — was only “scratched,” not irreparably damaged, as Americans have been led to believe.

GOP-led Ways and Means Committee investigators, in their quest to recover missing Lerner emails, learned her hard drive was damaged but recoverable by talking to IRS information-technology experts, after the government originally refused to make them available, according to the committee.

“It is unbelievable that we cannot get a simple, straight answer from the IRS about this hard drive,” said committee Chairman Dave Camp.

The Michigan Republican said the new information also raises more questions about potential criminal wrongdoing at the IRS because the committee was told no data was recoverable and the physical hard drive was recycled and potentially shredded.

In addition, learning that the hard drive was only scratched also raises questions about why the IRS refused to use outside experts to recover the data.

“In fact, in-house professionals at the IRS recommended the agency seek outside assistance in recovering the data,” the committee said Tuesday in a release.
The committee also said the information gleaned from the new interviews conflicts with a July 18 IRS court filing that states the data on the hard drive was unrecoverable — including years of missing emails.

Let's see, we have Fascist Barbi, Commie Liz and now Lying Lois.

Which one of the three is not employed by the BIG FEDERAL gumberment?

At 8:14 PM, Anonymous Tyrone Witherspoons said...

Hey Dave Dubya,

Chuck is against free water in Detroit. What a hater he be. Here is a story my grammy used to tell me all the time.

Socialism vs. Racism

A young black child asks his mother, “Mama, what is Socialism and what is Racism?” “Well, child, Socialism is when white folks work every day so we can get all our benefits, you know, like free cell phones for each family member, rent subsidy, food stamps, EBC, free healthcare, utility subsidy, and on and on, you know. That’s Socialism.”

“But mama, don’t the white people get pissed off about that? “Sure they do, Honey.” “That’s called Racism!”

At 8:42 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Well, if it isn't "Tyrone Chuckie" re-emerging to repeat his fellow White supremacists' favorite racist joke at Stormfront.

He thinks we're stupid enough to fall for his dishonest and worn out disguise. He used this fake name at my blog until I noted his alter-ego "just the facts/Chuck Morre" posted from the identical IP address. It's been a few threads since we exposed his deceit, so he's cowardly hiding behind "Tyrone Chuckie" again.

What a chicken. Bwaack!

Still waiting for him to explain what an "O-bagger" is, and what makes him want to call me one. But that would be admitting his hate, wouldn't it?

Theirs is the kind of hate that fuels fascism.

At 11:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden declared that America's jobs picture is brighter than ever.

"Businesses are hiring at historic rates, with 52 consecutive months of net private sector job growth," said Biden in the newly released report supporting the reauthorization of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act of 1998, which President Obama signed on Tuesday.

Obama and Biden's efforts to cast a positive light on America's jobs outlook, however, may face headwinds with voters. As the New York Times noted, "In fact, part-time jobs accounted for two-thirds of all new jobs in June." What's more, economist Ben Casselman of Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight states, "For the 49th time in 50 months, more jobseekers gave up looking than found work."

WHOA, looks like we better take off Fascist Barbi's head before this gets any worse, has to be her fault.

At 11:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look in the mirror for the definition of an O-Bagger.

At 11:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Individuals exposed to socialism were twice as likely to cheat as those who had not been in a socialist system, says a new study from a collaboration between Duke University and the University of Munich. "The longer individuals were exposed to socialism, the more likely they were to cheat on our task."

Researchers compared 259 participants' willingness to lie and cheat by playing a simple game that could earn them $8. Every game player was asked to throw a pair of dice 40 times and record every roll of the dice on paper. Those with the highest tallies would have the highest payoff. Players had to commit to write down the number on either the top or the bottom of the dice. Since they didn't have to say which side they had chosen, it was easy to cheat by rolling the dice and then pretending the higher number was the side they had chosen.

The Economist says:

Honest participants would be expected to roll ones, twos and threes as often as fours, fives and sixes. But that did not happen: the sheets handed in had a suspiciously large share of high numbers, suggesting many players had cheated.

After the game, participants wrote down where they grew up, and for how long they had lived there. Those who grew up in East Germany were twice as likely to cheat as those who grew up in capitalism in West Germany. And, the longer someone had lived in East Germany, the more likely they were to lie about the result of their dice rolls.

"We interpret our findings as evidence that the political regime of socialism has a lasting impact on citizens' basic morality," say the study's authors Ariely, Garcia-Rada, Hornuf and Mann.

At 11:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I also welcome your comments, be they contradictory, corrective, or complimentary. Only one comment and response will be allowed for anonymous trolls."

Sounds a bit authoritarian.
What do you think Mr. Tyrone Witherspoons?

At 9:43 AM, Blogger Harley A. said...

DD -

He sees you in the same light you see him. He doesn't trust you, doesn't like you and feels you are bad for the country. You of all people ought to understand - it's a pretty mutual feeling between the two of you it seems.

At 10:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame Palin, impeach Bush, it has to be their fault.

Eighteen percent of Americans, or fewer than one in five, say they or someone in their family is better off because of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll by CNN. Nearly twice that number, 35 percent, say they or someone in their family is worse off. A larger group, 46 percent, say they are about the same after Obamacare as before.

In nearly all demographic categories — age, income, education, etc. — more people say they are worse off because of Obamacare than say they are better off.

At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He doesn't trust you, doesn't like you and feels you are bad for the country.

Ever wonder why?

Individuals exposed to socialism were twice as likely to cheat as those who had not been in a socialist system, says a new study from a collaboration between Duke University and the University of Munich.

Still "“bending the arc of the moral universe forward."
Yea, right.

At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Philip Gara LaMarche?

At 11:51 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

We understand your ideological sympathies and tolerance of Chuckie's ravings may cloud your perception of his hate. I don't hate Chuckie. I hate his lies, willful ignorance and hate itself, that are nurtured by the fr Right extremist elements of our political culture.

I'd say "O-bagger" is clearly a term of hateful derision. Did I ever say we should "O-bag" anyone like the Tea Party wanted to "teabag" someone? No.

So what sense does it make, apart to convey hate or ignorance?

How does that term reflect my criticism of Obama? It doesn't reflect anything but Chuckie's willful ignorance and hate. In fact Chuckie far more deserves the term of "Bush-bagger" or Cheney-bagger" due to his utter inability to find fault with them.

This amounts to blind hate, false equivalence, and double standards.

Period. If he wants to call me something, I welcome the more accurate term, "democratic socialist" who happens to support regulated capitalism.

To the hateful radical Right, that is a commie. Not in reality though. He has shown that hate and ignorance repeatedly.

Look in the mirror for the definition of an O-Bagger.

Very clear... evasion.

I wouldn't say Chuickie needs to look into a mirror for the definition of fascism. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is in his extremism, scapegoating, and hate where we find the essential components of a fascist.

In fact, he is here only to vent his anger and hate. He won't answer questions. He won't back his accusations with evidence. He hides behind multiple IDs. He links my name to a commie web site.

That kind of behavior clearly indicates scorn and hate. How does it not?

I call out his dishonesty and falsehoods. That means "hate" to the Right. We see it all the time.

When someone calls out racism they are called racists by the radical Right. Think I am exaggerating? Rush "Take that Bone out of your Nose" Limbaugh on July 20, 2010 said, "The NAACP is as racist an organization as there has been and is in this country."

I guess the KKK doesn't count.

Yet, con-servatives NEVER condemn Limbaugh.

See the difference? See the hate? It is the same hate Chuckie shows all the time. I will always call out lies and hate.

And yes, lies and hate will destroy our country more than public health care. Liberalism feeds the poor. Con-servatism offshores their jobs.

Beware of false equivalence and double standards of the radical Right.

At 12:48 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

"I call out his dishonesty and falsehoods. That means "hate" to the Right. We see it all the time."

Right, but he doesn't feel he is being false or dishonest. So, maybe it comes across as an unwarranted attack.

I find it disingenuous (for example) to not have any sympathy for taxpayers being tire of leeches - many of which DO exist in Detroit. Does that mean that person has no compassion for the truly poor, sick, and downcast? No, it means, they are sick of the not insignificant masses who have been taught everything is owed to them and have zero appreciation for the many public benefits they do share by living in America. But, they unceremoniously are labeled a hater, when there is validity in the point, though maybe overstated at times.

That's all.

At 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


While is might be a questionable debate tactic, I find it insightful how liberals react when they are exposed to the same style of debate they foster on their opponents.

Example, it's ok to call a former Governor and V.P. candidate a Fascist, but beyond the pale to call a liberal Senator a Commie. Neither argument can be supported, as neither person has done anything that would garner them the noun ascribed to them. But it is outrageous when a liberal is called a Commie and ok when a conservative is called a Fascist. Especially in light of the liberal statement that "if you don't want to be called a Fascist, then stop acting like one".

It's ok to accuse GOP of engaging in a war on women, but it's wrong to bring up liberal failures to pay and promote females in their camp the same as they do males.

It's ok to call conservatives racists, while ignoring the liberal treatment of conservative minorities.

It is ok to demand answers from conservatives, while ignoring conservatives question because they are "loaded".

That's just for starters, but what the heck, change is an inside job and I see no evidence of a willingness to even consider that in the liberal mindset

At 5:17 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

You bring up a point worthy of a thoughtful reply .

“He doesn't feel he is being false or dishonest.”

No doubt that is true to certain degree. His moral certainty and conviction could still fall under ignorance, willful or otherwise. Or it could be from a true believer of PR and party dogma, unwilling to accept facts outside his beliefs.

Then there is the moral relativism present when one person views as honest, such things as taking names from others and posting under multiple IDs.

If he were honest, wouldn’t Chuckie let me know what makes me an “O-bagger” in his judgment? It’s not as if I were only defending Obama, and without criticism. We’ve seen is inability to blame a single Republican for anything. His partisanship is more clear than any shred of honesty.

Could someone really believe this:

"...a promise that liberal govt will make it all better, when there is not one shred of evidence that is true.”

Especially after this fact is presented: Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits have MADE IT BETTER for millions of Americans,

We call this willful blindness and political indoctrination.

So yes, we can understand the flexible nature of Chuckie’s “honesty”. I don’t hate him for it, though. Just calling it as I see it. He’s dealing with a lot of anger and resentment.

“Sympathy for taxpayers” is an interesting frame for an issue. It suggests victimhood. Many people fortunate enough to have a job may have sympathy for those who have fallen through the cracks of global corporatism. One man’s leeches is another man’s poor, sick, and downcast. Who decides? How do the innocent not suffer with the guilty when the demonization has worked and public services are gutted?

Abuses within public benefits programs mean they require measures of reform, not repeal.

Liberals resent freeloaders too, but some us don’t think others should be punished for their freeloading. The same is true for corporate welfare and superior personhood. We resent that, too.

This doesn’t mean liberals want a culture of dependency. It means we want jobs. Yes, we all hear the propaganda from Chuckie and the rest. “Liberals want a dependent class” of “takers” is pure, far Right propaganda.

“Masses who have been taught everything is owed to them” is also drawn from the same propaganda playbook. Who “taught” this? Yes, we know, those damn liberal union teachers, right? For every resentment there is a scapegoat.

Meanwhile back in reality, we need more jobs. We need more than the so-called “job creators” (Another term directly from the GOP propaganda mill) have created. And when the so-called “job creators” send jobs to Asia we begin to sense a resentment similar to what conservatives feel for the poor. We share your annoyance of leeches when these same corporations who offshore jobs get tax breaks.

Consider this: Liberal pacifists resent having to pay taxes for corporate welfare and war. Civil Libertarians resent paying taxes for a surveillance state and drug war. Conservatives resent paying taxes for public benefits for the poor. So where is the sympathy for the liberal/civil libertarian taxpayers?

Note the corporate media outrage and corporate PR always weighs more heavily to the latter. That is where the axe has, and will, fall again and again. Conservatives must be the loudest crybabies.

They say they are the real victims, as they demonize liberals and scapegoat the poor as “takers”. Never mind many, if not a majority, have worked most of their lives.

This resentment is fueled and fed by 24/7 right wing corporate media. Resentment leads to hate. Demonization leads to hate. Resentment, demonization, and hate lead to fascism.

This is why I tell Chuckie if he doesn’t want to be called a fascist, he should stop acting like one. History has shown the ugly fruits of that kind of dishonesty and hate.

At 5:57 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

Fascism is a political tactic to use patriotism and religion to gain power for a dictatorship. Communism is a desire to divide up all the wealth out there so that nobody gets more than anyone else.

Commie is related to a cold war terminology as Nazi is to WWII and the Holocaust.

So if someone promotes an agenda of dividing up everything equally, then it's reasonable to call them a communist but not to be nasty just to discuss their political agenda. But that's not what is happening by any but maybe the most extreme left. I wouldn't say all on the right use fascist tactics either, but we do see it as a way to get people to vote against their own personal interests with the idea it's for God or the good of the red, white and blue.

If someone though discusses issues reasonably and brings up the pluses and minuses of different possible cultural options, then those should be discussed without the name calling that is too easy to fall into.

It is ironic how people are enraged at taxes that aren't really that high in comparison to other developed nations or even than ours have been in the past. Taxes are basically to cover costs of programs that Americans wanted to have like helping the poor, inspecting meat, protecting us from predatory nations, building highways, and they aren't all federal as the states also have taxes. If someone does not want programs like SS, Medicare or now the ACA, they know who to vote for and end those programs. That's what democracies do. What happens right now is a resentment of some that they voted and lost. That is how it works in a democracy. I sure don't like it all the time either how it turns out. But I still believe in democracy and it just means try harder to make my points to others not suggest it wasn't fair because the majority voted other than I wanted. I'd not have had the war in Iraq or the tax cut that sent us into such a deficit if my choice had won in 2000... To me, that meant work harder the next time... oops lost again but again it was accepting the majority ruled-- at least that time they did!

At 7:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is ironic how people are enraged at taxes that aren't really that high in comparison to other developed nations or even than ours have been in the past. Taxes are basically to cover costs of programs that Americans wanted to have like helping the poor, inspecting meat, protecting us from predatory nations, building highways, and they aren't all federal as the states also have taxes."

Here's the issue I have with parts of what you said above.

I can measure the results of programs like meat inspection, highway building, and I would say that 99% of Americans would agree that the results are good and that the programs are worthy of our tax dollars being spent on them. I believe most Americans would agree that dollars being spent on our country's defense provides a good return for the dollar. I believe we haven't been invaded since 1812, until this year's event on our southern borders where we cant stop and invasion of children, much less a army.

The problem is the helping the poor part. And before Mozart's head explodes and DD calls me every name in the liberal play book, I have no problem helping those who are down and out on their luck even for reasons of their own making. What I don't see is a reduction in the number of our citizens who are getting help each year. There is no measurable positive result from the programs we have to help the poor. There are more and more poor each year. In some cases there are 3rd generation poor getting help from the American tax payer.

You have to ask your self , why? Why aren't the numbers of people getting help declining after 50 years of the war on Poverty and the Great Society? (At this point I will interject the knee jerk response from Mozart et al, that the numbers would go down if there the greedy GOP would get out of the way of BIG GOVT and let govt spend our way out of the War on POVERTY. So Mozart, DD save your breath, I said it for you)

If our meat inspections were failing would we continue to pay for the same inspections and programs that are supposed to protect our food? If the dollars spent on highways didn't result in better transportation network wouldn't we question the programs? Why cant we hold the programs, the spending to help the poor to the same standard? Is it racist or Fascist to even suggest that be done? One would think so based on the treatment of conservatives who might suggest doing so by liberals.

It has gotten to the point when not spending MORE is DEEMED a CUT by liberals that will starve children hurt the homeless and is an example of the greedy's war on women.

Why is it wrong to expect after decades of helping the poor to see a reduction in the numbers of poor who need help? As a percentage, do more Americans today need help from the rest of us than in 1970? What happened to all the Hope and Change that we were promised 6 years ago? Why have the changes in the welfare system signed into LAW under President Clinton by undone by EO? Since that EO, have the numbers of those receiving help from the govt gone up or down?

It is not ironic, it's common sense to expect an improvement after billions of dollars have been spent on programs and there is no improvement in the problem that brought about the need for the program in the first place.

Can you see my point Rain?

At 9:30 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

I have no problem helping those who are down and out on their luck even for reasons of their own making.

Very compassionate. Who decides who requires help? Who decides how to help? What help would be the kind you’d have no problem providing?

Let that conservative compassion shine for all to see!

What I don't see is a reduction in the number of our citizens who are getting help each year. …Therefore we should cut benefits?

One reason the numbers are bad is because good jobs have left the country. Another reason is the minimum wage is so pathetic, that assistance is needed for families subsisting on it.

There is no measurable positive result from the programs we have to help the poor.

What “measurable positive result from the programs” are you talking about? Are you saying safety nets have no positive results? Honestly?

Or are you saying safety nets don’t reduce the need for safety nets, or they don’t provide jobs? Not the intended purpose of safety nets, not a valid measure of positive results.

As clearly noted, Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits have MADE IT BETTER for millions of Americans.

“Better” is a measurable positive result in the world outside the RRBC bubble. Shall we see the ways “better” can be measured? Better food on the table. Better healthcare. Better roof over their heads. THAT kind of measurable positive result.

Please explain what how any of these are no measureable positive result. None at all. Zip. Nada. Bupkis.

What “measurable positive result from the programs” are you talking about? They don’t cure cancer either. What a waste, huh?

You have to ask yourself , why? Why aren't the numbers of people getting help declining after 50 years of the war on Poverty and the Great Society? (At this point blah, blah garbage…)

Yes, let’s ask why. Could it have something to do with Wall Street and financial deregulation leaving us a catastrophic collapse of our economy? Could it have something to do with destruction of Americans’ pensions and investments? Could it have something to do with tax-dodging corporations off-shoring jobs? Could it have something to do with the Great Bush Recession continuing its debacle on working class Americans, while Wall Street is raking it in? Could it have something to do with the greatest income inequality of our lifetime? Could it have something to do with the minimum wage being so pathetic, that assistance is needed for families subsisting on it?

Yes you have to ask yourself why…or better yet, in your case, just blame liberals. It’s the right wing thing to do.

I believe we haven't been invaded since 1812, until this year's event on our southern borders where we cant stop and invasion of children, much less a army.

So to be clear, Pearl Harbor and 9-11 were not invasions…. but unarmed children are? The CHILDREN are the real invasion, the dire threat? Well then, that settles it; no conservative compassion for them!

It is not ironic, it's common sense to expect an improvement after billions of dollars have been spent on programs and there is no improvement in the problem that brought about the need for the program in the first place.

So it’s also common sense when there are more hungry people we need to stop feeding them.

Can’t argue with that logic.

At 10:03 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Another excellent debate Dave. It is funny how trillions of dollars wasted on corporate subsidies, military expenditures and Tarp bailouts is OK. But helping the poor is detestable.

The Conservative way of thinking is totally alien to me, I do not think we will ever bridge that gap.

At 11:17 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

but anonymous, we would disagree about the dollars to fight wars that only benefited our military industrial complex. We have had a LOT of those with none of our targets remotely going to invade us with the possible exception of WWII. And we had motivations to be involved with WWI as we needed Europe to be in more than one nation's hands.

We did btw have a war with Mexico after the War of 1812. But when we went to Cuba for the Spanish American War in 1898, we began invading other countries and jingoism is why it happened-- how Americans got duped into wanting it.

Where people like me would favor programs for the soldiers returning home, more money for the many injuries they sustained including mental from these wars, often the righties in Congress vote against those benefits.

We also would disagree with corporate welfare and how much money so many of the oil companies get. We would disagree on letting them off the hook when they brutalize our environment.

I think we'd all like better programs to help the poor be self-sufficient but some people simply cannot hold down jobs for various disabilities. And while lefties vote for education, righties have held it down to the point that only the very poor and the rich can reasonably send their kids to college. It didn't used to be that way, not when I got my college education and when the government believed in helping higher education be affordable for all. If you end up voting against education because it costs money, how do you expect the poor to rise up? And what is the solution by the right for education-- privatize it so some company can again get money from it.

I worry far less about what the poor get and more about what corporations get one way or another. And you know they do or there'd not be all that money going into lobbying. I worry more about how wealth has concentrated in a very few hands who are using that wealth to consolidate their power and turn our government into an oligarchy with the richest making all our decisions. That's the real divide between left and right-- who concerns us most with getting the money.

I'd be a lot happier if the word conservative had any meaning today. It really does not. Conservatives would have us fighting wars all over the world and pouring more money into the military than they even need to keep weapon companies happy.

At 1:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry Rain, it appears anytime I attempt to communicate with either you or Harley, some authoritarian clown feels it his duty to launch into a personal evaluation of me, someone he has never met.

You are correct about other wars, but I believe the comment was the last time we were invaded was in the War of 1812. The Mexican and Spanish wars did not involve an invasion of the United States. What I agreed with you about was the need for a military to defend the USA, I did not intend for that comment to be taken as my endorsement of going to war for the sake of helping the industrial base of our nation. Even though WWII helped bring us out of the Great Depression much more than any other govt spending or jobs programs had done, that was not the reason we went to war.

It would be horrible to not fund programs for our veterans after their service to our country. Would you share with me the evidence to support your statement that the lack of funding is the ofter the "righties "doing? One of the committees Senator Obama sat on was the VA Committee, which is, I believe, in charge of funding the VA. I'm pretty sure that when he was Senator the House was controlled by his party, so I'm not sure what the righties comment is based on.

I agree corporate welfare stinks! I wish the govt would stop all forms of it starting with General Motors, and lower the taxes on corporation's capital in exchange for corporations bring back the capital they have overseas and putting it to work in building up and hiring more Americans. Or else! The tax dollars from private sector employees the corporations would hire would be in the long term much more stable that our current situation where the USA has the highest corp tax rate in the word.

I am an elected official (Alderman for 16 years, it is apart time non partisan job that goes along with my along with my full time job and in some years a 2nd part time job doing catering) in my little town. I have voted against TIF's each time I have been required to. To me that is corp welfare. TIF's were designed to improve the economic life on property's that without help would never benefit the city it is located in. It has now become an incentive tool for one city to attract a business from another city, with the net effect of no net growth for the area and a demand for more TIF's in order for cities to stay competitive.

I have no problem helping the disable, but when a family is in its 3rd generation of being helped, I doubt it is due to a disability.

What is the largest expense in running a college/university? It's the payroll of their teaching staff and the money the spend on the athletic department. What roll do righties have in those expenses?

I agree with your concern about the wealth being concentrated if few hands. That's why I want everybody to become rich! But I do not thing it is the role of the govt to take from the rich in order to give to the poor just for the sake of redistributing the wealth. We have done so in the past, and we still had the poor.

Ok, those are just my thoughts about your comments, have a good day tomorrow.

At 10:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not a typo! Another leftist caught in another lie.

Chris, it is unambiguous this is a typo. Literally every single person involved in the crafting of this law has said that it`s a typo, that they had no intention of excluding the federal states. And why would they? Look, the law says that people are only subject to the mandate if they can afford insurance, if it`s less than 8 percent of their income. If you get rid of these subsidies, 99 percent of the people who would get subsidies can no longer afford insurance, so you destroy the mandate. Why would Congress set up the mandate and go through all that political battle to allow it to be destroyed? It`s just simply a typo, and it`s really criminal that this has even made it as far as it has. Jonathan Gruber 07/2104

" What’s important to remember politically about this is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits. But your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying to your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country.

I hope that that’s a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these exchanges. But, you know, once again the politics can get ugly around this." Jonathan Gruber 2012

At 11:55 AM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

Anonymous, try this as most recent example: . Food stamps help veterans who often don't get high paying jobs and frankly some active military can qualify. Also unemployment benefits often help returning veterans. Frankly every program that helps an ex-soldier is not one aimed only at them.

I just don't think that many poor are in the boat you are describing. How many are three generations? How many wealthy have benefited much more and for as many generations? I think if you knew more actual poor, you'd see this differently. I live in a rural area where poor and others live side by side. It gives a whole different perspective to what it means to need help.

At 2:06 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

The unanswered question remains: "What “measurable positive result from the programs” are you talking about?"

How are we to convert to the "one true ideology" if a simple question is ignored?

At 3:54 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

Folks, the disconnect comes in that the American government does not own nor control the money supply (i.e. the economy). Right? So, in what universe would we expect them to be able to do much other than placate their masters? See the problem? It is futile for us to talk about this fictional "gov't of/for/by the people". It hasn't existed for quite some time now.

I realize that sounds defeatist, but I honestly believe it to be true. Thankfully, it is not what drives my life - I see a far higher reality and Truth that transcends all of this. But, temporally, I see little hope left for this 200-odd year old experiment...

At 4:13 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

I don't feel defeatist. I think we can turn it around if we look at the candidates and vote for the ones who express our views, if we look at what it would take to make this better. When it's defeatist is when people use insults instead of facts, when they get influenced by the ads and vote against what even they would want. I believe in voting but it does take educated people. It takes people who do more than watch stupid reality shows convincing themselves that it's real when it's not. I am not saying we could not end up in a situation where it would be hopeless. I do not believe we are there yet. Our bigger problem is that we don't agree what is right to do. We divide ourselves and even on issues we ought to agree. The oligarchs play off that.

At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know you mean well, but for an answer to your doubt about 2nd-3rd generations getting assistance from the state, I would suggest you visit Detroit.

I never said food stamps didn't help people, what I said is why after 50 years of the War on Poverty, was has American not defeated poverty? If a general couldn't win a war after 50 years, surely you would expect their commander to question the tactics and leadership that was fomenting plans that did not succeed. why is what we are doing not working?

Here's an idea, effective 9/1/2014 give every person who qualifies per the federal govt standards of what is poverty, $100,000 tax free for two straight years. After that none of the recipients will receive another dime. After 9/1/14, 90% of federal govt employees employed in programs that assist the process of current programs will no longer be needed.
Next, unemployment benefits will be reduced to 36 months.
And finally, the Welfare program will return to the rules that Clinton put into place.

Now with one stroke of the pen a family of 5 who qualify as living in poverty will get $1 million dollars in 24 months. There will be no one living in poverty, there will be no poor in America.

I live near a major urban area where the poor live side by side with other poor, in some cases their family has been on welfare for 3 generations. I know many "actual poor people". Here are a few simple rules that if followed would break their circle of poverty by 83%

Finish high school
Postpone having children
Don't do drugs.
Don't commit crimes.
Move from the poor area as soon as possible.

Sounds pretty harsh? But if you research those who can't get work and live in poverty, I'd bet you that in almost every case the person didn't follow these 5 simple rules. Ask them, did you finish high school? Do you have any kids? Do you do drugs, etc.

At 8:06 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

The unanswered question is answered. Food stamps help people. So we have “measurable positive result from the programs”. Chuckie’s error has been corrected. The war on poverty helps people, makes things better. In other words measurably successful in its intentions.

Thanks, Chuckie.

Nest question:

“why after 50 years of the War on Poverty, was has American not defeated poverty?”

Will Chuckie ask the same question for the ”war on terror”? If terror is not defeated, do we end the war on terror? How about the war on drugs? Come on Chuckie. Show us your logic here. If not, please spare us the illogical ideological BS.

Poverty, like drugs and terror, will always exist. This is why we need programs to lessen its impact and reduce the numbers. With poverty, both goals have met with measurable success. If we had no safety nets the poverty rate would be much higher. Why is that desirable?

“Our national poverty rate fell 42 percent during the War on Poverty, from 1964 to 1973. And that trend continues today: The poverty rate fell from 26 percent in 1967 to 16 percent in 2012 when safety net programs are taken into account.
As poverty persists across the country, however, critics of our safety net programs might say we lost the fight. But to label the War on Poverty a failure is to say that the creation of Medicare and Head Start, enactment of civil rights legislation, and investments in education that have enabled millions of students to go to college are a failure. In fact, without the safety net, much of which has its roots in the War on Poverty, poverty rates today would be nearly double what they currently are.

The War on Poverty has not failed us, but our economy has.”

The poverty rate was 12.2% when Bush took over. After his Great Bush Recession following the Bush financial collapse it has risen to 15.9%

“The War on Poverty has not failed us, but our economy has.” De-regulated capitalism, financial collapse and the Bush recession are continuing their negative impacts.

Why does Chuckie want to blame safety nets, instead of the real cause for the spike in poverty?

We can guess. He really, really likes to blame liberals and the black guy, of course.

At 9:20 PM, Anonymous James Hanson said...

"Another excellent debate Dave Alinsky Dubya. It is funny how trillions of dollars wasted on corporate subsidies, military expenditures and Tarp bailouts is OK. But helping the poor is detestable.

The Conservative way of thinking is totally alien to me, I do not think we will ever bridge that gap. "

What about the 10x, 100x, trillions of dollars wasted on eradicating poverty? Poverty has been expanded by the liberals. It is now politically incorrect by the liberal Fascists to say someone is on welfare. The PC term now is public assistance for the loafers who are basically trained seals in a aquarium who rely on free fish thrown to them.

At 1:15 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...


I’m happy to see Chuckie likes to appropriate and mock other names besides just mine. It’s his version of flattery. We really get to him.

He blubbered and babbled exactly how I called it.

Why does Chuckie want to blame safety nets, instead of the real cause for the spike in poverty?

We can guess. He really, really likes to blame liberals and the black guy, of course.

Let’s ask Chuckie:

“Poverty has been expanded by the liberals.”

LOL! We can read him like a book. What a parrot. The poverty rate was 12.2% when Bush took over. After his Great Bush Recession following the Bush financial collapse it has risen to 15.9%

Thanks again, Chuckie, for promptly fulfilling my little prediction, as you always do.

Run away from the facts, Chicken Chuckie. Run, run, run.

Fact Alert!

Run away as fast as you can, Chuckie.

“The War on Poverty has not failed us, but our economy has.”

De-regulated capitalism, financial collapse and the Bush recession are continuing their negative impacts.

Chuckie MUST blame liberals for this. Fascists need scapegoats. Liberals are the Jews of their Reich Wing extremism.

Theirs is the kind of hate that fuels fascism. Theirs is the face of fascism in America.

At 1:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I again must apologize for the rude clown who feels it is his duty to continue to butt in on our conversation.

I hope his childish actions have not forced you to stop discussing with me the issues that we both believe are important to American today. Issues that while we disagree on are still are able to hold a discussion on without calling each other names. Like adults, not authoritarian playground bullies. Proof positive that a conservative and a liberal can talk to each other.

I encourage you to continue our debate and ignore the mindless interruptions.

At 1:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A new CNN/ORC poll released on Friday indicates that 33% of Americans want Obama to be impeached, including 13% of Democrats.

According to the poll, nearly half, 48%, believe that Obama has “gone too far” in his use of executive power, while 34% said he used the power of the presidency “about right” while 14% said he hadn’t gone far enough.

Who's laughing now?

At 3:41 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Actually, what Anonymous doe NOT tell us is that 67% DO NOT want Obama impeached, and many of those that DO want it because it would do Obama more good than harm. It would show the American people how childish and vindictive the GOP is. When Clinton was impeached, his popularity soared. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE NOT REALLY DONE IT? LIke the "lawsuit" it's an empty threat during an election year.

But what do you expect from a guy who didn't know the Senate was part of congress?

At 4:07 AM, Anonymous Smokey Lagumski said...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Why does Dave "Alinsky" Dubya spend so much more time on Tom's blog, where free speech is exercised, than his Fidel Castro like censored blog?

At 9:58 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Right, Chuckie,

You get to condemn the war on poverty and then flee discussion of the topic. When facts appear, Chuckie disappears.

These points stand. Chuckie runs.

“The War on Poverty has not failed us, but our economy has.”

De-regulated capitalism, financial collapse and the Bush recession are continuing their negative impacts.

At 10:02 AM, Anonymous Freed of the Liberal Disease said...

I went to hear David Horowitz speak in 2004. My intention was to heckle him. Horowitz said something that interrupted my flow of thought. He pointed out that Camden, Paterson, and Newark had decades of Democratic leadership.

At 10:06 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

"Freed From Facts" wouldn't care to admit Southern states have the highest poverty rates, along with conservative and Republican leadership for decades.

At 12:21 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

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At 12:48 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

The thing with the impeachment is that 30% wanted it from the day he was inaugurated. The numbers haven't changed but media loves to play this kind of thing up. With the House having a majority that is willing to do nothing or anything to hurt him, I don't think there is any doubt they will vote for impeachment. Only question is the Senate, which is why that's where we are donating to candidates. Hold the Senate and impeachment doesn't work even if the House does it.

Look at how little Congress has done on anything, the least of any Congress in recent past, and it’s not that the country doesn’t have big problems. They do nothing because they live for ’16 and the dream of getting the presidency. The worst the country looks before that, the better for their goals.

On poverty, it is logical that generations will continue in a poverty cycle given the inferior schools in those neighborhoods. This has been true since I was in the education program in Portland, OR in the 60s. We spent time student teaching in four different schools chosen because of the wealth of the neighborhoods and this was with one district, one property tax rate. The poorer neighborhoods had inferior programs, and of course, because of poverty more children in single parent homes, parents working two jobs and kids on their own. Poverty is a breeder for sure, but the statistics of three generations on welfare has not been proven true. For one thing now there is a work requirement in the US; so that those that can work must work. It still leaves the working poor because of the low minimum wage, which leaves a full-time worker below the poverty level.

Last night Bill Maher had an interesting show with two right wingers to defend their side, along with Neil deGrasse Tyson, and an economist who has written a book defending Marxism and how capitalism can go bad. His name was Richard D. Wolff. Like most Americans as soon as I see the word Marxism, I am suspicious, but the point he was making is capitalism takes a vital middle class. We now though have a very determined wealthy class where having a billion dollars is not enough. They are taking it from both the middle and those in the bottom who would work their way up if they had a way. Because they can get salaries lower overseas, the manufacturing jobs have gone and for start up businesses, such as my husband consults for, to keep it here takes real character as right away the big money tries to buy anything and you know where it goes next!

The way up is education and crazily the right has done all they can to keep education from succeeding by limiting funds. So, skip the PC which both sides love, and make schools concentrate on the basics. That's also the hope for future voters using sense in their selections of candidates.

I think we also need to make public universities affordable again. Right now the tuition rates are unreal. I found that out when considering how to help our grandkids when they get there. Good Lord, it is pricing the middle out of a college degree.

What has happened with wealth being concentrated, and ways up fewer, the middle is squeezed out. It’s more iffy now to get into it from the lower economic levels as I once could do, and the middle itself is disappearing. The economist said a vital capitalism works because of a vital middle and we are losing it—blame who you will. We could still fix that, all of it, if enough of us agree.

What has amazed me has been the wealthiest, and why they want that much. But as soon as you ask that, they paint you as hating the rich. They are clever at manipulation.

At 1:20 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

What has amazed me has been the wealthiest, and why they want that much. But as soon as you ask that, they paint you as hating the rich. They are clever at manipulation.

Great point.

The manipulation begins with the Right Wing propaganda machine, starting with labeling corporate media as "liberal media.

Inheritance tax becomes the "death tax" the aristocratic class abhors. The Founders warned about inherited wealth. Now they can literally inherit millions of dollars and pay zero tax on their newly acquired wealth.

"Job creators" is another manipulative propaganda phrase. Why not be real and call them "job exporters"?

And of course, whenever anyone criticizes the immense democracy suppressing power of money in elections and lobbying, they will be accused of class warfare, and of course, hating the rich. Never mind the rich are winning their class war. Even in our economy the rich are getting richer faster than ever. The radical Right wants to portray them as victims, of course. Just like they want to play the victim because some of their tax dollars go to things they don't like. Poor victims. As if this is not true of every tax payer. Crybabies.

THAT is how the Right operates. And make no mistake. They hate liberals. They demonize liberals. And they scapegoat liberals.

Either we submit to undemocratic rule by corporate financial elites, or we are demonized. Liberals are blamed as ALEC, insurance companies and banks are writing legislation and public policy.

Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism in America.

At 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Rain
"The thing with the impeachment is that 30% wanted it from the day he was inaugurated." I've never seen those poll statistics before, can you share with me your source?

What I find interesting is that 13% of Democrats want the President impeached. Do you think that 13% of Democrats wanted Obama impeached on the day he was inaugurated?

You are correct, Congress has done very little as of late, but I am not surprised about that as we now have a lame duck President, a Senate that will not allow votes on bills coming from the House or from the Senate minority party, and we have a President who from almost day one of his first inauguration said we won you lost, get over it.

What are your thoughts on my idea to give everyone who is now by current Federal standards under the poverty standard a cool tax free $500,000 two years in a row? If redistribution of wealth is the solution to the problem, wouldn't this make the poverty problem go away?

"So, skip the PC which both sides love, and make schools concentrate on the basics." I agree 100% with you Rain!!! Basics that would not include gender sensitivity class, for starters as that's one of the current PC issues. The basics should be English, as all classes must be taught in English, higher math without reliance on computers, computer science, classes in how our Federal form of government was designed along with the Constitution, the govt of the Constitution of the state the school is located in, no federal mandated food menus, local control of that would seem to be the best. Something I wish my H.S. had taught was a series of classes on how to start and operate a small business, how to balance a check book, how to set an alarm clock or a smart phone. I won't go on, but you and I agree!

"Right now the tuition rates are unreal." You and I agree, and I believe the solution is not more Federal aid to students but the tuition costs must be reeled in. I noted that in an earlier post to you.
That's TWO things we agree on!! Sadly we differ in the cause of the increase in cost, you blame the GOP for not wanting to spend more money, I blame the school/state for not being able to control their own spending. Whose fault is that, the GOP?

"What has happened with wealth being concentrated." I agree with you again !!! Under Obama it has only gotten worse. NY Times reports that
"The inflation-adjusted net worth for the typical household was $87,992 in 2003.

Now some would say that the wealthy are only getting more so by taking from the not so wealthy. I would say how can your prove that? Is govt social service spending as a percent of the budget growing or shrinking? If as in Iowa 45% of their budget is for social services, why are more of us relying on govt for our daily needs? Surely 45% of Iowans are not disabled and I assume the same could be true for the total USA population. Yet spending is not going down on social services programs.
Wouldn't it be a more productive solution to find out what the wealthy are doing to grow their wealth, instead of taxing it away from them? What is interesting to me is even during the poor economic growth of the past 7 years, there are some of us who have managed to GROW their wealth!
How did they do that, how can I learn how to do that, how can we learn how to teach that to others? Now that would be an education class I could get my teeth into.

Shrinking middle class, ok why is that happening? Is it because more of the middle class are moving up or is it because they are moving down? I dont think it could be minimum wage, as it was not designed to be a middle class wage. Wages have been stagnated for 6 years. Costs of energy, food, transportation, and the cost of govt at all levels, have gone up.
WHY and what can be done to reverse this trend? What do we as a nation need to do to allow or citizen body to become wealthy?

At 2:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Capitalism is a failure if it cannot provide the people with basic needs of life, like water. Why can't these people afford water? Maybe because the capitalist system cannot provide them with work and income. Capitalist have an obligation to the community they do business in and make their millions of dollars off of; not to mention the future health of their own business.
If Capitalism cannot provide an atmosphere were ALL can prosper, how good a system is it? Of course some prosper better than others, but if workers cannot pay the bills for the necessities of life, capitalism is not working.
The old Capitalist/Marxist H. Ford had it right. Pay workers enough so they can afford the products they make and you will make more money than even as a capitalist. We are a consumer society. What happens when a large percentage of society can not afford to consume?

At 4:54 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

well we don't have pure capitalism and so it's like Marxism, none of it gets tried.A lot of wealthy corporations and even farmers get government subsidies. We raise beef and lamb and we get no subsidy but if we were raising wheat or corn, we could or at least it's how it's been.

Too bad more people aren't more moderate in their thinking as I think some of the problems the country faces can be dealt with in the middle but compromise has become a bad word for both sides.

As for the 13% of dems, first of all there are dems who are blue dogs. They are only dems in name only and really agree with repubs on most things. Also a lot of dems in the extreme left are furious over drones, they are mad he didn't get the immigration reforms, and they wanted single payer/Medicare for all health care. So they want him impeached for a different reason than repubs. That drone thing is a big one to a certain percentage of the dems.

I did not actually see a poll done about impeachment right after he got elected but the extreme right, which encompasses 33% of the nation felt he had not been legitimately elected. They thought fraud got him in etc. So my bet is they are the same ones who favor the nation tying itself up with impeachment rather than dealing with jobs, imports, immigration, wars, military, VA, climate change questions, etc. etc. This blocking of anything by Congress has been going on since the nation handed the House to repubs.

I would just like to see honest people run for office who literally told what they wanted to do and then when they got there followed through.

To me, Obama really is more the past than the future as we now head toward first a mid-term and then a presidential election. So where does the country head next? do people want more social restrictions? Do we want to be responsible around the world for keeping the peace while other nations use their money for infrastructure? Those are the questions voters should be asking would-be candidates.

Frankly, in what you just said, you sound more moderate than extreme right, anonymous but maybe I don't know your stand on gay marriage (I am for it) or abortion (I'd put on restrictions only after the fifth month) or gun control (I am not for machine guns in the hands of ordinary citizens but do favor gun ownership and am one myself with a concealed weapon permit).

And as a democrat, i really really hope Hillary Clinton does not run. To me she would be a disaster and everything I hear her say only convinces me more of that fact. Dems need to be thinking who else though or we will have her :(.

At 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As for the 13% of dems, first of all there are dems who are blue dogs. They are only dems in name only and really agree with repubs on most things."
And you know that because?

"you sound more moderate than extreme right" And who has labeled me as "extreme right"? Think about how those people have rejected out of hand any view that didn't fit the far left agenda, so much so that the use of Ad homomines became the standard for day. Harley A summed it up when he said he feared for our nation when it was impossible to have a civil discussion of opposing views

Rain, believe it or not, you are the first person who has labeled themselves a democrat who has taken the time to ask me my views, not called me a fascist, racist, Nazi, "Authoritarian", Chuckie, and a few others. THANK YOU!

I do not believe that the Federal Govt should allow abortion after or before 5 months. That is the State's right to decide.
Personally, if that were in the hands of the State I would not live in a State that had legalized abortion, which would also allow you to live in a State whose position was more alined with yours. I view this the same way the States are allowed to either have or not have the death penalty. If, as is claimed the majority of Americas or pro choice, then the majority of States will be the same. This was one of the beauty's of the United States of America that we have lost wit the growth of the central power Federal govt. I know that some one will bring up slavery, well slavery was out lawed by an Amendment to our Constitution that had to approved by 2/3 of the States legislation.
Abortion rights are not provided for by an Amendment by by a court decision. There is the difference.

Gay Marriage, I dont believe the Federal Gov has a right to say anything about who can or can not get married. But at the same time, I don't believe that if a baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a homosexual marriage they should be forced to or close their doors. Marriage is not a right provided for by the Constitution. The Marriage license is issued by the State at the local level, not by the Federal Govt. If pro abortion rights claim they want the govt our of their bedroom, I would think advocates of gay marriage would say the same thing.

I personally do not believe gay marriage is as big a thing as the radical gay left would like us to think it is. Most recent polls indicate that no more that 5% of Americans are gay. I don't agree with the homosexual life style, I do not believe it is what God intended when he made Adam and Eve. That is my faith, it is what it is. It is not open to debate. If the State I live in feels differently, I would move to one that fit my beliefs better. But notice, I have not once said I would prevent gay marriage.

At 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Guns. I agree with you on machine guns and the right of the Federal Govt to limit their ownership by private individuals through the use of the right to tax ownership of machine guns. That seems to have worked, so why mess with it.
I think while well meaning, the attempt to limit magazine, or clip size is a waste of time. All that it really does is to try to limit what the 2nd Amendment guarantees us. I live in a State that has CCW permits. I like it.

Hillary running, as a Conservative, I hope she does as I think it will cost the Democrat party and it's extreme radical left wing allies access to White House and further diminish of our Constitution. In 2016 I will vote for the persons who most closely follow our Constitution, regardless of their party. That may make me appear to extreme right wing, when in fact it is far from it. Extreme right wing would want a strong central govt to control every aspect of your life for the sake of the Federal Govt. I do not want the Federal Govt any more involved in my life that is Constitutionally allowed.
I'm reading the Federal and my State's Constitutions this summer. It is scary how far we have drifted into strong Govt interference in our daily lives today.

At 6:57 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

I know blue dogs by how they vote. I know how the far left is angry at Obama based on reading their words in blogs. If they want him impeached, it's not for the same reason the right wants it. They are angry that he didn't do more leftie things while the right thinks he did too much. I try to vote for dems who have my views.

and on abortion; so you want government to be able to take away a woman's right to choose. States able to do that also might say a black cannot drink from the same water fountain as a white. That okay too? States should not be able to take away the rights of citizens because they value bigotry and telling a woman she cannot make a choice about her own body is about as much a government invasion as I can imagine. Nobody forces a woman to have an abortion. Everybody cannot afford to move. I grew up when abortion was illegal. The result of that was women unable to ever have children or dying. No thanks on going back there and although I am well past the age to worry about it for me, I care for future generations. Trust women on this one or don't declare you trust them on anything!

On gay marriage, I believe it makes sense. I have a granddaughter who said in her school, she'll be a sophomore in high school this year, the kids are angry at the bigots who put down gays. They are totally accepting that we are all different and we should not lose rights for that. I think the issue of gay marriage will be moot when the old generation dies off because it makes no sense why it matters to anybody except those wanting the same rights as heterosexuals. it is just plain common sense. As for the bakery that won't serve them a cake, if all straights did what I'd do, they'd lose business over it and that would be the end of their paranoia that baking a cake makes them somehow guilty of a sin. crazy logic.

At 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

might say a black cannot drink from the same water fountain as a white.

No that's not ok and our Federal Constitution has been amended to address that. It is a false comparison. If the majority of citizens in a State do not agree with the right to abort then whose rights are being infringed on?

You must start to rethink the relationship between you the citizen and the power the Federal govt has taken from the power in the Constitution given to the States. How does that effect the rule of the majority?
Now if the pro choice people want to get an amendment to the Constitution that in effects says the all States must allow abortion, then they should do so. But right now the Constitution does not address the medical questions. Per the Constitution then that power belongs to the States.

It sounds like in your granddaughters school, the local citizens have made a choice on how to relate to gay issues. I applaud that being done at that level, even though I dont agree with the gay life stye. If I lived there and realized I held the minority view, I could either accept my position as not ruling the day, or move to a location where I me view would be i the majority. In either example, I would not sit in judgement as long I was not forced to "bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage" and my position was respected as much as others wanted me to respect theirs. It really doesn't have to be that difficult if our freedoms in the Constitution hadn't been over ruled by the growing Federal Govt.

We can say this so far Rain, we have had an honest adult exchange of ideas, positions and differences, agreed?

At 9:22 PM, Anonymous Confused Progressive said...

I'm really confused on adhering to the progressive thought police and making sure I am always politically correct.

How is it that our federal government with the blessing of our President, revoked the patent name of the Washington Redskins's football team due to racial insensitivity but when they assassinated Osama Bin Laden two years ago they gave him the code name Geronimo. What's up with that?

Can you blame the Conservatives for thinking we are hypocritical fucking assholes?

At 10:18 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

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At 10:21 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

yes, I do a blog too and reasonable exchanges often happen when people stick to the issues and don't insult each other.

Are you aware that the South is trying to set up rules for voting that would most likely disenfranchise minority, elderly, and poor voters? They are making less places for the poor or likely democrats to vote as a way to win elections besides the ridiculous redistricting that has no bearing on geography? They are doing all this with almost no proof that there have been any voters trying to cheat the system. If they will do that, how long before they try to go back on the other freedoms?

PC logic ends up doing things that amaze me. I am a moderate which means I make both lefties and righties mad. I don't have a problem with the team being renamed, but I do think that people go around looking for problems that don't exist.

I don't know what the gay lifestyle is to you but if it is that they want to be married and have lives like everybody else, then it's the same as the heterosexual lifestyle. If you have known a lot of gay couples, you know they live a life that has a home, sometimes kids, gardens, and pretty much like everybody else. The very fact that they want the right to marry means they don't want a bathhouse world. They want to be respected and just ordinary which they are. Biologically they just don't desire the opposite sex. Amazing that anybody finds that offensive. And it's healthier for the kids growing up; so they don't feel depressed just because of how they were born.

At 11:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


The key words in your concerns are:

"that would most likely"
" making less places for the poor or likely democrats to vote as a way to win election"
"They are doing all this with ALMOST no proof that there have been any voters trying to cheat the system." (does this mean there is SOME proof?)

A whole of lot what ifs and could be that might be drummed up now because the DNC realizes they are going to be wiped out in the Nov election. Instead of having to face the reality of voters having rejecting their policy's, it's easier to claim the other side cheated when you lose.

I think the IRS scandal is real voter intimidation and there is a lot of proof that it happened in 2012 than there is proof that the south is now trying to make it impossible for voters to vote for the democrat candidates. If the DNC and our national media would cover the IRS intimation of voters and their organization as much as they spend talking about the what if's I would treat their concerns a lot more intensely.

And while on the subject of the voters in the south, do you think the GOP is going to hamper the minority voters in Mississippi? Remember the recent GOP Senate primary in MS? How would the GOP now be able to do as you fear between now and the genera; elections in NOV?

I say this with all respect and not because I am total died in the wool fan of the GOP, why do you think the President's poll numbers are cratering? Do you believe the voters love what he's doing and they want to make his last two years in a walk in the park with a Senate and House in his party's control? That they cant wait to give Congressman Reid more democrat votes and return Congresswomen Polosi to Speaker of the House?

It's gonna be a tough next couple of years for our President, not just because he will be a lane duck or that American's will blame the black guy.

I dont think you gave me your thoughts about my million dollar plan to do away with poverty in America? Is therw a reason?

At 8:40 AM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

The million dollar plan would not work. And the reason I say that is another 'what if' based on past experience of what I have seen. Are you aware of some of the payoffs of American Indians, when they didn't actually want to sell their land but were forced by leaders our government appointed? Well the money often went directly to the members of the tribe. Guess how long it lasted for most? I saw the results as a child living in the Columbia River basin. How about lottery winners and how many end up having lost a million dollars within a few years? If you are not used to managing money, then someone else comes along to find ways for you to spend it. I think that million dollars, for most of those people would end up gone in a few years unless there had been a lot of educating ahead of it or it was in some kind of trust. Young people, who get big inheritances run into the same thing which is why I don't believe in giving kids inheritances that they know are coming. It is also why I was against the idea of reparations for any but blacks who had been actually cheated out of land (and yes that happened).

The IRS thing is not really much of a scandal as they were also looking into liberal groups. The issue was so many tea party type groups had erupted right after Obama got elected that their numbers obviously were the most. The rules are that you cannot be a non-profit unless you put a certain percentage of your money into charitable work. For some of the tea party charities, they were all about educating people to not vote for democrats. Who believes Karl Rove's group is for anything except getting him a big salary, prestige, and electing Republicans who suit him. SHOULD any of the PACs be considered charities? I'd say no. Not right or left. If we want to donate to someone, we will and we don't need to phony it up with a PAC. I donate to none of them even though we have not then gotten tax deductions for what we gave in the Presidential or Senate elections. Frankly I don't trust PACs but then I do not donate to the Democratic party either. I donate to individuals who have positions on the issues with which I agree.

All you have to do is look at gerrymandering districts to see how they have been manipulated to keep some people in office and throw others out. They are not geographic. Now though it has been added limited polling places to make it harder for some areas to vote. If you don't think that is racial in some areas, then I think you better come up with a logical reason for it to be easy to vote in a Republican district and you wait hours in a Democratic.

I read a variety of sites, right and left wing. of course, the left appeals to me more. For someone like me supporting a right winger is almost impossible to imagine. If they sound moderate, you find quickly they lied to get in. However, in the past, I have voted for Republicans even for the Presidency (although I admit not often). Not happening for me in today's world. It's too bad but it's what has happened to that party. And no way would I support a libertarian or a green party candidate because neither of them support positions I believe in. So for now I am stuck with Democrats even when they aren't all I want. I'd love to see a viable, moderate third party. I doubt it will happen under the modern big money controls type of system. They like it just fine as it is.

Finally, I live my life with what ifs, why wouldn't I believe in it politically. I am no ideologue. I also like nuances, another right righties abhor-- which is how they get a Ted Cruz rising to the top.

At 9:04 AM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

In other news the IDF is taking a short break from shooting fish in a barrel. And to think we spend six billion a year to enable this to happen.

At 10:02 AM, Anonymous James Hanson said...

Another excellent debate anonymous. It is funny how it can be claimed that the GOP in the South is trying to supress minority and elderly voting.

Tom just had a rant "Slingin' that ol' Mississippi Mud" where he stated:

"GET THIS: A white, conservative Mississippian owes his political career to a handful of African American voters. Isn't that something? A pig just flew past my window. I didn't even blink an eye."

Somehow we are supposed to believe the GOP is suppressing minority voters in the South?

Libs, maybe you all need new glasses to see the just the facts right in front of your noses!

At 10:05 AM, Anonymous James Hanson said...

In Mississippi, the POOREST STATE IN THE USA, Democrats can vote in GOP primaries!

At 10:08 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Yes, for Chuckie, "a handful of African American voters" means there have been no GOP restrictions on voter registration, polling hours, poll locations, and voting machines.

Chuckie needs neither an open mind nor open eyes to see that.

At 10:39 AM, Anonymous Chuckie said...

So Dave just a dozen African Americans, "a handful", were able to determine who the GOP selected to run in Mississippi?

Is that right in your world of unicorns and rainbows and the proletariat worker's paradise?

Dave, isn't it also time to get out the violin and complain how Mississippi has now enacted a photo id law for voting even when the state will provide one for free? I'm using state here to refer to Mississippi and not the federal government in case anybody is dumb enough here to think it is ambiguous).

At 10:48 AM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

voter ID laws hurt not just the minorities but elderly who no longer drive and can't get to the places they help you get the cards. Why do it when it's been a small minority of frauds? The right does not worry about bad guys getting guns but heaven forbid one person votes fraudulently and yet the biggest fraud was in Florida with the election that handed the presidency to Bush. It sure wasn't minorities doing that one. It's too bad more states don't do what Oregon did by voting in vote by mail. I didn't actually vote for it at the time but I sure believe in it now. What we need in this country is more people voting, not less... unless, of course, it's the wrong people-- according to some righties. And as to whether the gerrymandering often is intended to elect right wingers and hurt minorities, look at the maps sometime. Don't depend on your right wing pundits telling you it's all good. Look for yourself and also for the reduced polling places in minority voting regions where it's not happening in those known to vote repub. But oh no, repubs would never do such things. It is why 2010 was a significant loss for dems and yeah, they'd have done it too. Voting districts should be determined by non-partisan committees and have to make sense geographically. Sometimes is laughable how weird they are other than the result is intended to keep the House in rightie hands. Someday it might go the other way around and then the right won't like it.

At 10:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My advise James is for you to move into Gaza as a sign of solidarity with the poor and oppressed peoples ruled by Hamas.
Don't forget to tell your friends their that you are an American citizen, not a Muslim, maybe even a Christian.
Then you can really experience being a fish in a barrel.

Or you can visit Israel, as an American, regardless of your religion or lack of same, dodge the Hamas' rockets that they started the fight by firing into Israel.

What is it about liberals that they support the underdog even when the underdog is a murderous terrorist group, buying weapons from N.Korea, following directions from Iran to deflect from their finishing up a nuke bomb? A group that shields its rockets in UN Schools, hospitals and residential areas and civilians. What is is it about you James that makes you so blind to the fact that the billions of dollars sent into Gaza has not improved life there one bit. What makes you turn the other eye to the war on women being waged by the Muslim terrorists?

Bob Beckel, who calls himself a liberal disagrees with you, which leads me to believe that you and those who are your brothers are not liberals but instead dangerous radicals akin to the Khmer Rouge and look and look at the middle east a if they were the killing fields.

Why do you feel for the Muslim's in Gaza, but ignore the slaughter and elimination of Christians through out the middle east and in Africa by the relegation of peace? When this religious terror comes to our shores, do you think you will be immune? That the females in your family will not be subjected to genital mutilation, to honor killings? These very things are happening now in Europe and to some degree already in DD's are of MI? Where is your outrage on this war on women?

There is none.

You see James, and you many not realize this, but you are anti democracy, anti religious freedom, anti women's rights. Why else would you be opposed to supporting the one nation in the Middle East which treats it's women as equals, has socialized healthcare, free and open elections where even it's Arab citizens have the right to vote?

Why James, do you your words support the aggressor, Hamas, and believe the neo Nazi bigoted anti Semite in movement Europe?

At 11:16 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

"a handful of African American voters" was the reference quote, Chuckie.

Lacking open eyes and open mind is nothing to ignore.

I guess there's comfort in being obtuse.

At 12:53 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

One of the things that constantly amazes me when I come here is to read both left and right discussing something that happened and how opposite we see it. I think it's what makes people feel there is no hope for real compromise or agreement. We just don't see the same world and that happens even when facts are laid out-- but how they are interpreted is totally different. So each side thinks the other obtuse, selfish, or stupid and there is no way to get to solutions in that situation. I don't remember it being that way when I was younger but maybe the internet wasn't there to let me see these differences so starkly.

At 1:25 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

It's so much fun to watch Anonymous rant on about the government when he has NO IDEA how it actually works.

"Ahh Mozart, Mitch McConnell is in the Senate, not the Congress." ---- Anonymous

(watch his response, it's just as funny)

At 3:55 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

We just don't see the same world and that happens even when facts are laid out-

The differences of perspective between liberals and conservatives are by design. The Right has been in the propaganda business for a long time.

Our brains are even wired differently.

The primitive brain is more active in conservatives. They have a more active fear center. Facing something new or unfamiliar, their initial "Fight or flight" response is still strong. Liberals are less fearful of differences.

This is why many are convinced Obama is a Marxist, if not a Muslim Marxist. Never mind they don't even know the differences between a Stalinist and a Marxist.

They can't see the difference between socialism and NAZI-ism.

It doesn't matter. Anything and anybody they don't like, or who disagrees with them, is to be demonized.

In Chuckie's mind, you and I, and everyone not of his belief system is a "useful idiot" for the commie take-over.

The corporate media is a great liberal conspiracy to them. Never mind how the NY Times parroted the Bush Administration lies about Iraq. To the far Right they are the liberal media, not a corporate entity.

No wonder they believe a corporation is a person entitled to individual rights.

They are convinced liberals are "Marxist" enemies of "real Americans". We have 24/7 radio and TV telling Americans to blame liberals for everything. Now even Iraq is all the liberals' fault.

The Inheritance Tax became a "Death tax". End of life counselling was deemed "Death panels".

See the pattern?

Tax dodging corporations that off-shore jobs are the "job creators". They are allowed to write treaties and legislation for public policy.

The Right has been unilaterally redefining terms for decades. It is no surprise their belief system is formed around the propaganda.

In fact they can't even see it.

They are completely indoctrinated to corporate PR and GOP propaganda. It is their reality.

Only Christian fundamentalism is allowed room into their belief system.

If it's not literal Scripture, it is corporate PR and GOP ideology.

We've seen how they react to science. Evolution, the effects of pollution on climate, even the age of the Earth, may not exist in their universe.

Beliefs of the Radical Right Bubble Cult trump everything. This is why compromise and rational discussion is futile. They don't want to understand liberals. They already think their propaganda and beliefs define us.

At 4:09 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

The Christian philosophy out there today has nothing to do with what Christ said. He'd be a socialist in their view. I know there are genuine followers of him but so much has been corrupted to justify greed, which is why Andrew Sullivan, who is a Christian and a conservative calls it christianism.

To be honest, I have liberals mad at me for my viewpoints also. I am a moderate which Limbaugh has said means I am wishy washy. It's not so. I just don't fit in the box of either side. I think a lot of Americans are in the middle and that infuriates the far left and far right.

At 6:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment that, if they could do the 2012 election all over again, they'd overwhelmingly back the former Massachusetts governor's bid. That's just one finding in a brutal CNN poll, released Sunday, which shows Romney topping Obama in a re-election rematch by a whopping nine-point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent. That's an even larger spread than CNN found in November, when a survey had Romney winning a redo 49 percent to 45 percent.

Two years ago, Obama won re-election with about 51 percent of the vote.

Of course, the poll should be taken with a grain of salt. While Obama is actually taking on the tough task of leading the nation, Romney is sitting comfortably on the sidelines. Still, the finding comes as foreign and domestic crises have sent Obama's approval rating tumbling back to 40 percent, per Gallup.

Also in the CNN survey, a record-low 46 percent say Obama "shares [their] values," while only 49 percent say he is "sincere in what he says," also a record-low

At 6:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

While today's political climate is tense, agreement on some essential economic truths could help lawmakers get things done in Washington, says Jeffrey Dorfman, University of Georgia economics professor.

Dorfman identifies 10 important economic facts that he says policymakers need to recognize:

Government only reshuffles wealth, jobs and income; it cannot create anything on its own, as it has to take money from some in order to spend it on others. Any money collected or jobs "created" by government merely replace the private sector investment and job creation that would have occurred had people been allowed to spend their own funds.
Income inequality does not harm the economy. While the poor spend nearly all of their money, higher-income earners save some of their income, which is just as good for the economy as spending, if not better. Saving leads to more investment and greater national income in the long run.
Paying low wages is not corporate exploitation. Just as businesses have to set prices according to consumer demands, they establish wages based on the supply and demand for labor.
Environmental over-regulation drives up prices. Because the poor spend a greater percentage of their income, especially on energy, such over-regulation acts as a regressive tax.
Education is not a public good. While we publically fund K-12 education, it produces human capital that is privately owned by each person. While many defend public education because it is a "public good," it is important to realize that the ensuing benefits of education are not given away for free.
CEO pay may be high, but so is the pay to athletes and movie stars. Such pay may reduce a company's profits, but it does not reduce the pay of other employees, as their pay is determined the marketplace.
Consumer spending does not drive the economy. Saving more and spending less of our income will lead to greater wealth in the long run.
"Free" things provided by the government are typically low-quality and unnecessarily expensive.
Injustices happen. The government cannot correct every injustice, and every time the government steps in to "fix" something, it puts costs on someone else. Affirmative action policies, for example, grant college admissions only by denying admissions to other applicants.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. "Free" government services cost money. Similarly, raising the minimum wage gives money to employees only by taking away jobs and raising prices for consumers.

At 7:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Only Christian fundamentalism is allowed room into their belief system"

How would you know, been to church lately?

"Never mind they don't even know the differences between a Stalinist and a Marxist."

Which one are you?

We just don't see the same world and that happens even when facts are laid out

Like this fact?

Individuals exposed to socialism were twice as likely to cheat as those who had not been in a socialist system, says a new study from a collaboration between Duke University and the University of Munich. "The longer individuals were exposed to socialism, the more likely they were to cheat on our task."

At 7:19 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

I don't cheat. My kids don't cheat. I have had more personal experience with righties who cheated than lefties. And my brother, who runs his own garage, said the ones who cheat him the most are Christian types who feel they have a right since he's not a believer. I think basing anything like that on a limited study, with who knows what kind of questions or methodology or experiences such as I have had or my brother's is just looking to make everybody mad around you. It's not discussing real issues or the problems and it's all about insulting. Make anybody mad enough, and they are through discussing anything. To me that sounds like a study based purely on one thing and today which might be the case that right winters cheat more also. grrrrrrrr I guarantee you that you won't convince anyone you have a logical mind if that's how you approach issues!

At 7:35 PM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

And after I left here, I went looking for the study and it turned out it was about East and West Germany before the wall went down. It was about living in a dictatorship and in poverty as much as anything about how democratic socialism in Europe is today. As usual it was being flaunted by right wingers as significant about socialism. Any leftie would think that's ridiculous as how do you judge a free people versus those under Soviet domination? I suggest before people go quoting a study like that they need to look at all the facts. Oh wait, that would mean using logic, wouldn't it?

I come here sometimes to read the conversations, but when it just makes me mad, it's not worth it. I have other things to do with my time that are more constructive.

At 11:07 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...


“Individuals exposed to socialism were twice as likely to cheat as those who had not been in a socialist system”

This is how the Right needs to mislead and unilaterally define terms. Words have a special flexibility to the indoctrinated Right. Honesty has never been their virtue.

In his example, those “exposed to socialism,” are actually East Germans “exposed to a police state”. “Those who had not been in a socialist system” are West Germans exposed to…what?

Socialism if you ask the radical Right.

Germany has always been denounced as “socialist” by the far Right, so they conveniently forget who’s exposed to socialism.

An honest person would make it clear the more honest person was exposed to democratic socialism as opposed to one from a police state.

You see they operate exactly as I have indicated.

More examples of the Right’s deliberate destruction of language abounds in Dorfman's Right wing dogma, courtesy of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

Once more Right wing dogma is presented as “facts”. (This is spam-bombed a lot by Chuckie)

Dorfman's Right wing dogma is courtesy of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

This is corporatist propaganda in its essence. Can we imagine the Kochs. Exxon-Mobile and other wealthy power elites funding the National Center for Policy Analysis?

Let’s follow the money , shall we?

National Center for Policy Analysis funder, Harry Bradley was one of the original charter members of the far right-wing John Birch Society, along with another Birch Society board member, Fred Koch, the father of Koch Industries' billionaire brothers and owners, Charles and David Koch.

So yes, these so-called “facts” are merely corporate PR, of the far Right.

“Income inequality does not harm the economy.”

The IMF doesn’t see that “fact” either. Only the arrogance of the far right does this. MOST people, as well as scientists, are ignored by corporate PR.

Income Inequality Leads to Slower Economic Growth -IMF Economists
“Education is not a public good.” Amazing. It is a private good, and a public good.

“Paying low wages is not corporate exploitation.” Right, and neither was slavery.

“Consumer spending does not drive the economy.” Preposterous and contrary to realty. What kind of economy is NOT driven by consumer spending?

Above all, Screw the public:
Majority of Americans want minimum wage to be, poll finds increased
The Goldman Sacs found that analysis the states where the minimum wage went up had faster employment growth than the states where the minimum wage remained at its 2013 level.
I could go on, but there’s no point in contradicting far Right beliefs with facts.

They can’t handle the truth. They trust only corporate PR and party propaganda, and they prove me correct all the time.


At 12:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many billions of dollars do we give to Egypt?
Like shooting fish in a barrel!

Cairo (AFP) - Egypt's army said Sunday it has destroyed 13 more tunnels connecting the Sinai Peninsula to the Gaza Strip, taking to 1,639 the overall number it has laid waste to.
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Egypt army says 14 jihadists killed in Sinai AFP
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Rocket kills three in Egypt's Sinai AFP
Obama calls for immediate truce as Gaza toll soars AFP
Rocket kills four children in Egypt near Gaza border: sources Reuters

Cairo has poured troops into the peninsula to counter a rising insurgency since the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi last year, and its security operation involves the destruction of these tunnels.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is the main power in Gaza, reportedly uses the tunnels to smuggle arms, food and money into the blockaded coastal enclave.

At 12:25 AM, Anonymous Harry said...

Authoritarian Dave defines language from his dangerous radical left socialist view. Just as you would expect from a prison guard, it's his way or the ELSE!

Wishing he had finished H.S.

Wishing he didn't have to do cavity searches,
Blaming the Koch Brothers for his failure.


At 12:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Dave, how about the report from MI that shows since right to work was put in, the average wage in MI has GONE UP??
Not a poll mind you but a fact.

At 12:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fed up with the overwhelming amount of illegals in his jail, an Ohio sheriff sent a bill for the costs to Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto.

“I sent him a bill for the prisoners that are in my jail. They came here illegally,” Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones told TheBlaze TV host Dana Loesch. “I’ve not gotten any money from them, but I billed them so much. And I’ll tell you what I got in return: My life was threatened.”

The millions of dollars spent on welfare programs in Ohio entice illegal immigrants to come to the state looking for “free stuff,” Jones said, adding that the FBI warned him that he was one of three sheriffs being targeted by Mexican drug cartels.

“We’ve had horrendous crimes here in this community,” Jones told Loesch. “We had a senior citizen, an elderly lady, molested by a teenager that came over from Mexico. We had another one molested — an 8-year-old girl. We’ve had drugs pouring in, more so than before the government said the borders were sealed. And we’re being run over by the drug dealers coming to this community. The violence has increased, and we’re a long way from the borders.”

The sheriff said he is also sending a letter to President Obama, “asking and pleading with him not to bring these people here to the state of Ohio, and to secure our borders.”

Jones accused the Obama administration of making it “too easy” for dangerous characters to cross the U.S. border.

“They’re going to walk in with backpacks. They’re going to put some dirty bombs together, [and] they’re going to do something really terrible. It’s too easy,” Jones said. “We don’t know who they are. They don’t have vaccinations. Our jails are full. They hit and run. It’s totally out of control, and it’s gotten worse just in the past 12 months.”

At 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This doesn't happen in Israel but James Hansen doesn't care.

Manama: A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced an homosexual man to three years in prison and 450 lashes for using his Twitter account to promote homosexual contacts.

At 10:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sarah Palin Channel.

At 10:36 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Note the personal hostility when the argument is lost. The radial Right's war on the poor and middle class is waged through destruction of language. Fact.

Note Chuckie's "fact".

His "fact" about Michigan may as well be pulled from his "cavity".

Wages are not rising faster than inflation.

Michigan residents below average in ‘real’ income

New federal statistics that adjust personal income by the real cost of living in different cities or regions show Michigan is losing ground to other states.

Thanks to the union busting Kochs and their GOP and their Michigan Governor Snyder. Yes it's a fact the Koch's meddle in many state governments, as well as at the Federal level.

Chuckie will happily search his cavity for more "facts" no doubt.

At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Woods: If Ebola Goes Rampant, How Comfortable Will We Be With Our ‘Porous Border’?

At 3:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY Times (7/27/2014) reports that GOP chances of winning the Senate has risen to 60% which is up from slightly their last poll in April.
(Wonder what the OCT surprise is going to be this year?)
Congressman Reid could lose his job as head of the Senate!

If this happens Democrats, liberals and radical leftist will blame Koch, GWB, anything BIG, the voters for being so stupid, right wing propaganda, deniers of man caused climate change, voter suppression, phase the moon is in, sin spots or lack there of, instead of dealing with the reality that the majority of American citizens are rejecting the liberal message. Overwhelmingly!

Americans are wise to the mantra of

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of dearth,
I will fear no evil
'cause it's ain't my fault."

Yes, it is your fault, man up, pay for it and live with it.

At 3:16 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Yes, it is your fault, man up, pay for it and live with it.

Yes, off-shoring jobs, the financial collapse of '08 and the Great Bush Recession are ALL the fault of liberals!

Blaming liberals and the black guy for everything again? Figures.

Fascists really do need their scapegoats, don't they?

Theirs is the kind of hate that fuels fascism.

At 6:46 PM, Anonymous Sleepless in liberal world said...

Holy Cow!
Did anyone read the radical far right wing propaganda that the mouth piece of the GOP and Tea Party, the New York Times, just said abut the odds of the GOP taking over the Senate??

Incredible, not only that but in another poll, the majority of voters now would vote for Romney if the election were held today. Why can't we get our message of blame the other guy and Hope and Change out? Why isn't it working anymore?

More proof of how good the GOP is at lying and fooling everybody, except for the very few of us who know the difference between a Stalinist and a Marxist.

Next thing you know polls are going to show Americans actually ARE blaming the black guy for the mess he has had almost 6 years to fix, but instead has been to busy taking 16 day vacations in places the 99% of us can't afford, and stop blaming the minority party. Racism is rearing it's ugly head in America, next thing you know, there will be Nazi like anti Semitic protests against Israel for defending themselves against terrorist attacks in the streets of major American cities. And 77% of Americans saying they want the Obama kids from Central America to be back. If that happens, where will our next generation of liberal voters come from?

I sure hope the President and Congresspersons Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have a way to counter the propaganda from the NY Times and the polls from CBS! Because this blaming other people no longer in power for our failures isn't working.

At 7:17 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Poor Sleepless Chuckie. He has always been in the fringe and minority of Americans.

From: GOP’s 30-year spin job is over: Why we are not a center-right nation

Economic Issues
According to Gallup polling, 59 percent of Americans think that U.S. wealth “should be more evenly distributed” among a larger percentage of the people while only 33 percent thought that the current “distribution is fair.”

According to Pew Research, 69 percent of Americans oppose any cuts to Social Security or Medicare, even in order to cut the deficit, while only 23 percent support such cuts. Additionally, 59 percent oppose cuts on programs assisting the poor in order to address the deficit, while only 33 percent support such austerity.

A multitude of polls have indicated that between 60 percent and 80 percent of Americans support increasing taxes on the wealthy, depending upon how the question is worded and the polling venue — this indicates that a majority of Americans support increasing taxes on top-earners in order to reduce the deficit.

According to Quinnipiac Polling, 71 percent of Americans support increasing the minimum wage to at least $10.10 an hour, while only 27 percent oppose increasing the minimum wage.

According to Gallup Polling, 54 percent of Americans support labor unions, while only 39 percent disapprove of unions.

Cultural Issues
According to Washington Post/ABC polling, 59 percent of Americans support gay marriage, while only 34 percent oppose marriage equality.

According to Pew Research, 54 percent of Americans support keeping abortion “legal in all/most cases,” while only 40 percent support making abortion “illegal in all/most cases.” While informative of public opinion, this poll is moot, as abortion is a constitutionally protected right, and there is no way for even a majority of antiabortion voters (that hasn’t existed for decades) to legally make abortion illegal in most cases.

According to ABC/Washington Post polling, 51 percent of Americans disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, while only 33 percent support the decision. This decision was a direct result of the Alabama GOP’s attempts to circumvent the Voting Rights Act preclearance provision, and was engineered to allow right-wing legislatures to pass voter disenfranchisement laws.

Even Fox News Polls indicate that 68 percent of Americans support a pathway to citizenship, while only 15 percent support deportation — of the remaining 17 percent of those polled, 13 percent support expanding guest worker programs while 4 percent didn’t know what they wanted.

Environmental Issues
According to USA Today/Stanford University polling, 73 percent of Americans believe in climate change and 52 percent of Americans say that it will be a “very serious” problem if we don’t implement policies to reduce it (as opposed to 10 percent who say that climate change will be “not serious at all”).

According to polling by Perception Insight/Greenberg Quinlan, 66 percent of Americans support stronger EPA air regulations, 72 percent support stronger carbon-emission regulations, and 60 percent support stronger regulations on motor vehicle emissions.

The corporate/GOP propaganda efforts have been successful in preying on resentments and prejudice. And fault lies with the the majority of Americans too. far too many don't vote.

Universal voting would be the Right's worst nightmare. This is why they are doing their utmost top make voting more difficult in Democratic-leaning precincts.

At 9:05 PM, Anonymous Tyrone Witherspoons said...

Hey anonymous,

You sure gave James Hansen a good spanking about Hamas!

He reminds me of that fella who wears a tin foil hat and claims WT7 was brought down by the US. I believe he used to call himself George Jefferson's Guardian.

And Rain, little old ladies can get out to vote but can't get out to get a free photo id? Why don't people like Tom, who sit around all day collecting Social Security Disability, drive those little old ladies to get their picture taken. Tom can fit a lot of old ladies in that Impeach Bush van.

And Dave Dubya, nobody cares that you flunked out of college and ended up with that shitty blue collar prison job. Did you really think we are all supposed to work in "worker's paradise" that your hero Karl Marx ranted about?

At 10:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW, talk about living in a bubble, DD takes the cake.

See Ya in Nov, DD, got you excuses and blame game ready to go when you get your liberal butt spanked?

60%!!! 60 PERCENT chance the GOP will take the Senate, making Congressman Harry Reid, former leader of the Senate. Per the New York Times, not Fox News, but the NY TIMES!

What GOP spin and propaganda are you talking about? Your propaganda about conservatives isn't working anymore. Oh I forgot, it's not propaganda when the liberal radical left as exampled by DD says it, it's only propaganda when anyone to the right of DD says it.

Thanks Tyrone Witherspoons, I consider it my civic duty to off set the claptrap that spews from the dangerous radical leftist mind/mouth of DD.
For real fun someday, Google his name and you can see all the socialist radical left wing crap his name is attached to. And he feels so oppressed and picked on and now he'll say he is being stalked. LOL

Think about this for a minute, DD claims that 54 percent of Americans support labor unions. Yet the UAW in a VW plant in Tenn, (Gore's home state) can get the workers to approve the Union representation, even though VW WANTS the plant to go Union. Yeah but but but, spudder spudder Bush lied.

His crowd wants Universal voting so the left can really rig elections in advance, even though it's against the Constitution that on his blog he says he is so in favor of, as an '"old fashion American". Can you give me a LOUD B.S. Mr. Withererspoons?

EPA? You mean the job killing dept that has regulations that are hindering our Border Patrol from doing their job? Oh, yes those savior's of the Snail Darter and the Spotted Owl, those defenders of the planet, except in China, where the pollution is out of control.

Hey guess what a "Group of Illegal Aliens from Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka Caught Entering Texas from Mexico" No problem here, just move along, blame Bush, vote for liberals, all will be well.

Oh and before I go, get this bit of news.
"Should a hurricane or other life-threatening, catastrophic weather event impact South Texas, illegal aliens occupying various shelters will be first in line to get “to safer ground,” a National Weather Service coordinator (NWS Coordinator Barry Goldsmith) said at a meeting last week.

Hope you post again real soon Mr. Witherspoons.

At 10:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

George Jefferson's Guardian?

I thought it was George Jefferson Garter belt

At 12:07 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

What GOP spin and propaganda are you talking about?

Could anyone but a sociopath type those words with a straight face? LOL. Since when has Chuckie spewed ANYTHING other than GOP spin and propaganda?

Ah, except when he likes to make it about me.

…dangerous radical leftist mind/mouth of DD

It warms my heart to rank so dangerous to one so rank.

It also warms my heart to see Anonymous Chuckie appreciate Tyrone Chuckie. He did this song and dance way back when he was first rehearsing his act. Back at my blog we see “Just the Facts” Chuckie posing as Tyrone Witherspoon. Shortly after we saw Tyrone Witherspoons. Yeah, we can imagine what kind of people Chuckie would have mis-spell their own names. Maybe it’s just a coincidence “Just Chuckie” and both Tyrones used the same ISP. Sure.

But what really warms all our hearts is seeing Chuckie dropping “news” lifted from conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. News that makes Chuckie and his cult angry.

Oh no! Illegal aliens are “First in line” for hurricane evacuation! The evil gubnent gonna save ‘em like they wuz HUMAN BEENS or somepin??

Freak OUT! Get mad! Blame liberals and the black guy! Get real mad at liberals and the black guy now!

But wait.

But even Alex Jones shows a couple sentences later ‘That means ensuring illegal aliens have a safe evacuation from temporary and permanent shelters during an emergency”. And National Weather Service coordinator (NWS Coordinator Barry Goldsmith) saying, “You have extra sheltering areas and detention centers right here.”

So the refugees are “first in line” because they would ALREADY BE sheltered there. The plan is to evacuate them immediately, because they are ALREADY THERE. They would be gone before the Hurricane evacuation order for the public. No American would be denied anything.

So should any Good Republican desire to be “first in line” with the refugee children in the shelters, let him go join them.

But Republicans and the far Right need to stir resentment don’t they? They need scapegoats, don’t they? Of course they do.

Theirs is the hate that fuels fascism.

At 2:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this GOP spin and propaganda?

New York Times say GOP has a 60% chance of taking control of the Senate
in the November elections.
Majority of voters today when polled say the would vote for Romney instead of Obama.

At 2:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Always look for the Union label when your watching over you inmates.

OAKLAND, Calif. – A collection of labor unions is demanding that leaders of California’s Oakland Unified School District allow a lesson plan that compares convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal to civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to appear on the district’s website.

In a resolution passed on July 14, the Alameda Labor Council condemned Oakland Unified school leaders for censoring the pro-cop killer lesson plan, entitled “Urban Dreams,” and accused them of buckling to the intimidation tactics of the Fraternal Order of Police and Fox Ne

At 7:18 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

I see Anonymous is trying to compete with the adults again. It's hard to take anything he says seriously after he said..

"Ahh Mozart, Mitch McConnell is in the Senate, not the Congress."

Apparantly Anonymous is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.


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