Friday, December 11, 2015

With Malice Toward Muslims


Image result for donald trump caricatureTo hear Donald Trump say it, his relationship with the "Muslim community" is "great". It isn't. In the past few weeks it's gone from bad to worse - to intolerable. The Donald has been stomping around this doomed nation recently with one foot on a banana peel and the other in his mouth. If he ever comes to power, people in this country who practice the Islamic faith have everything to fear. The good news is this: Donald Trump is never going to be president. David Duke will be appointed as the chairman of the NAACP before that ever happens. Or better still, to quote the old Ringo Starr recording, "pigs will fly and the earth will fry before THAT ever happens. Let's all take a deep breath.
Trump is many things - a pompous, bloviating bag of toxic gas, a braggart and a bully - but, unlike so many seeking the GOP nomination these days, he's not an idiot (or at least he's not a complete idiot). I really don't think that he believes eighty percent of the nonsense he spouts off on a daily basis. But the Donald has studied American politics as carefully as anyone in the past half century, and he has come to understand this indisputable fact:
Image result for donald trump caricatureIn order to get the Republican nomination in the twenty-first century, it is essential  for a candidate to barnstorm this country saying a lot of really stupid things. In this instance, at least, he has learned his lesson well - probably a tad too well.
I don't have much in common with Adolf Hitler except this one fact: we were both baptized in the Catholic faith. A lot of those Nazi thugs were Catholics - although none of them, thank goodness, were Irish. For that reason alone I sleep a little easier at night. In my life I have known a lot of Jews - close friends and casual acquaintances. And you know what? Not one of them was ever silly enough to try and tie me in with the massacre of six million of their ancestors during the holocaust of the nineteen-thirties and forties. Why is this so? It's simple! To do so would be the height of stupidity. In case you've never noticed, Jewish folks, for whatever reason, tend to be a highly intelligent lot. That's not the case with too many of us so-called "Christians". Go figure.

I'm going to tell you something here and now that well may astound you. To paraphrase Will Rogers:

I NEVER MET A MUSLIM I DIDN'T LIKE.

Image result for donald trump caricature Seriously. Having lived in New York City for more than a decade in the seventies and eighties, I got to know oodles of Allah's kids and I can honestly say that all of them were quality people. They're usually very polite, they make great neighbors - and don't get me started on their food! We're talkin' mega-yummy!

Most of the people who practice Islam are, in my experience, the sweetest, gentlest of people. There is not another religion I can make that claim about - not even the Irish Catholics! (Let's face it, some of us can be real assholes when the situation calls for it). So why are so many people picking on the Muslims? Some of us need to get a life. Seriously.

Image result for donald trump caricatureYou could have filled a decent-sized swimming pool with the crocodile tears pouring out of the other candidates on the campaign trail this week; and I couldn't help cracking up when the new house Speaker, Paul Ryan, sternly admonished Trump for his insensitivity. "That's not what conservatism is all about", he huffed.

I got a news bulletin for Mr. Paul: appealing to the worst instincts in human nature has been conservatism's mode-of-operation for decades now, going all the way back to Barry Goldwater's quest for the White House in 1964. I was born early in the morning, but it wasn't this morning. Please. From the front page of Friday's NY Daily News:

When Trump came for the Mexicans I did not speak out -
as I was not a Mexican.
When Trump came for the Muslims I did not speak out -
as I was not a Muslim.
Then he came for me....

Relax, folks. Donald Trump is not "coming" for anyone. In fact - from my  point of view at least - he's performing an important public service: the complete and utter destruction of the Republican party. Hat's off to the man!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@outlook.com 

Image result for Abraham Lincoln SUGGESTED READING:

With Malice Toward None:
A Life of Abraham Lincoln
by Stephen B. Oates

They don't make Republicans like old Abe anymore. They don't make anyone like him anymore. An excellent biography by a first-rate historian.

AFTERTHOUGHT:

I was going to write a piece commenting on the 100th birthday of Frank Sinatra on the 12th of December, but my mother passed away that day after a long illness. That's okay. She's at peace and no longer suffering. Besides, she was a huge fan of the Frankster and probably wouldn't have minded entering eternity on that day.

115 Comments:

At 10:41 AM, Blogger T. Paine said...

Trump is an egomaniacal fool who only cares about himself. He seems to hold no regard towards the constitution if it is going to get in his way of what it takes to "win". Further, until his run for the presidency, he has had many "core" beliefs that were decidedly left-wing. In other words, to elect this buffoon to office would simply be to replace Obama with another version of him.

 
At 10:58 AM, Blogger Rain Trueax said...

Nobody knows what they would get if Trump was elected. He might not even know. There is some logic in trying to discern, which people seeking to enter this country, with terrorist connections. The problem has been the difficulty in doing it-- hence the recent female shooter who evidently came here just to kill others and be a martyr. We are not fighting a war with a country, like Japan or Germany. This is with an ideology that easily blends into the general population until it erupts. I have no idea if something can be done about it anymore than the other recent shooter who said he did it to save babies while he killed a police officer and two other people-- one just trying to stop the shooting and the other there to support a friend who was having an abortion. Or the community college shooter in my state where he just wanted to be famous.

The bigger concern about Trump, for me, is who wants him and how many of them are there out there. They often are haters and racists who would like to turn the country back to the time they consider more golden when minorities couldn't vote and the poor just starved if local charities didn't step up. The '50s are golden to many of them when a man could beat his family and nobody complained, where abortions led to women dying, and gays had to hide their orientation. Most of the Republican candidates think that way and they might smile while saying it, like little Rubio, but they would turn the clock back if they had a chance. That's the scary part-- the voters who want this. They hate liberals as much as they do Muslims and guns are what they see as necessary for a coming revolution. Trump supporters aren't all the same kind but they mostly have one thing in common, from those I hear from, they love assault rifles and want no regulations on guns. If Trump really gets in and doesn't do what they want, he will be at as much risk as Obama is today.

 
At 1:20 PM, Anonymous Victor David said...

Used to be that those who aspired to positions of leadership did so by appealing to the better natures of people, to be charitable, tolerant, courageous and able. Now too many of them appeal to fear. Donald Trump came right and said it the other day, that people should be afraid. Oh yeah, the bad guys are out to get you and if we just get rid of [insert demonized group of the month here], we can live in prosperity again without fear.

It's bullshit of course, utter and complete nonsense, but that's what drives the USA these days. So many are afraid.

I live in a country plagued by violence, but I don't live in fear and most of the people don't either. Military check points on the highway are a way of life. A nuisance and a reminder, yes, but the reminder is not a cause to live in fear.

America has turned into the land of the fearful. In some ways, I can't blame it. America has lived so long in dominance that now, as demographics begin to change, and people that America has treated poorly (to say the least) begin to fight back, many are afraid for their personal safety. The shoe's on the other foot.

Then along comes a Bush, or a Cheney, or a Trump, under-developed fools the lot of them, who understand the power of fear and how it can propel them to power. Roosevelt said that we had nothing to fear, but fear itself. My god, look how much the nutsack of America has shriveled.

 
At 7:30 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

I'll give Trump one thing, at least he doesn't compare patriotic Americans to jihadists.

 
At 5:22 AM, Blogger Marc Larivière said...

The same power of fear could well propel the far right party to power in France, my country, unless the traditionnally opposite right and leftist parties agree to unite against it, in the regional elections, to morrow, and the next Presidential one in 2017... an agreement which might seem unthinkable in view of their opposite positions, but considered necessary just to bar the far-fight party, go figure...

 
At 9:32 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

DENVER (CBS4)– A board member for the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado has resigned after urging people to kill supporters of presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Loring Wirbel’s Facebook post was captured by The Daily Caller – a right-leaning online newspaper.

The post states, “The thing is, we have to really reach out to those who might consider voting for Trump and say, ‘This is Goebbels. This is the final solution. If you are voting for him I will have to shoot you before Election Day.’ They’re not going to listen to reason, so when justice is gone, there’s always force…”

More right wing extremism?

 
At 1:31 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Hey, Donald says he's no bigot.

WALTERS: Are you a bigot?

TRUMP: Not at all. Probably the least of anybody you’ve ever met.

Got it? "Probably the least", and he never lies or exaggerates, amirite?

Of course all racists and bigots will deny the obvious. Look at "Not racist" Chuckie whining about white victimhood and white superiority:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


He is one step away from being a radical Right terrorist supporter to a terrorist himself.

Rain nails it: "They hate liberals as much as they do Muslims and guns are what they see as necessary for a coming revolution."

The terrorists on the right have gunned down people in churches for just being black or liberal.

At least Wirbel offered to "reach out". Right wing terrorists don't reach out. They kill without warning. And he was absolutely correct about one thing, "They’re not going to listen to reason".

They only listen to FOX, The GOP, hate radio, and Right wing corporate media echo chamber. Among numerous other falsehoods, they believe in a global conspiracy of evil climate scientists and that all liberals are commies.

"They’re not going to listen to reason". Indeed, they are eager to prove this again and again.

And unlike the man in Colorado, when Republicans call for deaths of law-abiding citizens they don't resign. They are embrace by Republican leaders.

There's your difference, folks.

Cruz touted an endorsement from Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, who stated, “the United States government has abrogated its responsibility to properly deal with the blood-guilty. This responsibility rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people.”

In 1988, Cheryl Sullenger, now Operation Rescue's vice president, was convicted along with her husband for their part in a failed plot to blow up an abortion clinic.

Cruz and Huckabee attended a conference hosted by pastor Kevin Swanson. “Tiller killed 60,000 babies, so that’s 60,000 dead babies and one dead abortionist," Swanson said on his radio show. "So, let’s just say, the abortionists are still ahead on this one…People tend to get their comupance [sic], and that’s precisely what happened to Tiller the Killer."

"I say, tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it’s time that abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life." Christian evangelist and former pastor Joshua Feuerstein


 
At 1:41 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Boy, it didn't take T.Paine long to call Trump a "liberal" did it? Hilarious.

 
At 1:44 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Yes Chucky, Liberals say something stupid, they resign or are fired. Conservatives say or DO something stupid, they get promoted or elected. AFTER they cry and pray of course.

THAT is the difference.

 
At 3:17 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuck Morre, aka "Just the Facts" et al, has a lot of company, and history, informing us of his party's racism.

This quote is from a conservative:

"These Republicans want to unmistakably establish the Party of Lincoln as the white man's party."

The article is quite enlightening.

Racism in the Republican party

Some revealing bits of information:

Research has shown that voters who favor Republicans are more likely to hold racial biases against people of color. For instance, nearly one in five Republicans opposes interracial dating, compared to just one in 20 Democrats, according to the Pew Research Center.

A poll conducted by the Associated Press before the 2012 election found that 79 percent of Republicans agreed with negative statements about racial minorities, such as "If blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites." Among Democrats, the figure was just 32 percent.

The data is all the more surprising at first blush since Democrats were the party of segregation in Southern states for decades. That began to change in 1963.

On June 11 of that year, President John Kennedy, a Democrat, gave a televised speech in favor of racial equality. That spring, the share of white Southerners who approved of Kennedy declined by a precipitous 35 percentage points.

Some Republicans saw an opportunity. By emphasizing their support for "states' rights" and "law and order," they could subtly appeal to those disaffected white voters, showing their support for the status quo without explicitly opposing civil rights.

"Substantial numbers of Party leaders from both North and South see rich political dividends flowing from the Negrophobia of many white Americans," wrote journalists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, both well sourced in conservative circles, two weeks after Kennedy's speech. "These Republicans want to unmistakably establish the Party of Lincoln as the white man's party."

Over the next few decades, white support for Democrats in the South — once monolithic — gradually eroded.

 
At 4:28 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

الله أكبر
الله أكبر

دوبياديف

 
At 4:29 PM, Anonymous Old White Man Who Wants His Country Back said...

When will Obama grow some balls and fight the spreading cancer of Radical Muslims trying to establish a world wide caliphate?

 
At 4:46 PM, Anonymous Old White Man Who Wants His Country Back said...

"Some revealing bits of information:

Research has shown that voters who favor Republicans are more likely to hold racial biases against people of color. For instance, nearly one in five Republicans opposes interracial dating, compared to just one in 20 Democrats, according to the Pew Research Center."

Dave Dubya why not reference your copy and paste plagiarism from the Washington Post?

Jimmy Carter stopped all Iranian immigration, and froze their assets (which is more than what Trump suggested)- does that make Carter a racist? (Tom, why not airbrush a photo of Jimmy Carter with a Hitler mustache?)

Or, is stopping Iranian immigration okay because he's a Democrat?

What say you, shit for brains, "leaning forward" progressives?

 
At 5:19 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Old Man (boy troll)

Why don't YOU grow some balls and pick ONE name. After that, get your info from someplace other than Fox Entertainment. You won't look so stupid.

 
At 5:20 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Oh, and Boy Troll, try reading some actual history about the Iranian situation, and not just the McNuggets you get from Limbaugh.

 
At 5:40 PM, Anonymous Old White Man Who Wants His Country Back said...

Mozart:
"Why don't YOU grow some balls and pick ONE name. After that, get your info from someplace other than Fox Entertainment. You won't look so stupid."

Looks look I hit a nerve when posting about Jimmy Carter's profiling of Iranians. amirite?

I didn't even mention how your Fascist Hero FDR put Japanese Americans into concentration camps.

The information came from the Washington Post not Fox News.

LOL shithead. Your piano needs tuning.

 
At 6:37 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

IF FDR was a fascist, then Hitler was a good Republican. Their hate and ignorance have no limits.

Old Chuckie didn't notice, or more likely ignored, both the link and clear statement the content was from an article.

If I was a proven racist like Old Chuc k I'd probably want to make a false accusation of plagiarism too, especially since he was unable to refute the history of his, and his Republican Party's, racism.

Better accuse Dave Dubya of being a commie Muslim dictator...and plagiarist, amirite? (I'm so pleased Just Old White Man Chuck flatters me by emulating me.)

Now he's vein-popping mad again, spewing his scatological adolescent invective. He'll need to look up some of those words, no doubt.

Keepin' it classy, amirite?

You can't beat his radical Right terrorist talk for showing us his true colors:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


To avoid charges of plagiarism, full credit goes to Just the Old Chuck for sharing his Klan meeting talking points.

Isn't that mighty white of him?

Old White Man and his young counterpart and terrorist Dylan Roof, want "their country back".

How safe does that make you feel?

I'll give Trump one thing, at least he doesn't compare patriotic Americans to jihadists.

Then I will. "Patriotic American" Dylan Roof, like Just "Patriotic American" Old White Man Chuck, is a exactly like a terrorist Jihadist who "wants his country back".

How many more innocent Americans will be killed by these fanatic extremists? How proud can they be for competing with Muslim terrorists for the highest post 9-11 body count?




 
At 11:19 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Funny how I don't have even post here to get the credit from دوبياديف

 
At 10:36 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

by Larry Kudlow December 11, 2015 7:00 PM @larry_kudlow A hardline shift from an immigration reformer.

"I know this is not my usual position. But this is a war. Therefore I have come to believe there should be no immigration or visa waivers until the U.S. adopts a completely new system to stop radical Islamic terrorists from entering the country. A wartime lockdown. And a big change in my thinking. ISIS and related Islamic terrorists are already here. More are coming. We must stop them. Until FBI director James Comey gives us the green light, I say seal the borders."

My only question to the President is, WHY WON'T YOU DO THIS?

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

"How proud can they be for competing with Muslim terrorists for the highest post 9-11 body count?"
LOL
Used to say MORE Americans have been killed, now it's competing, what a LIAR this clown is. Facts dont fit the narrative, just change the terms.

Isn't that correct دوبياديف

 
At 11:20 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

I guess it would make Just Old White Man Chuck feel better if the body count from Islamic and American Right wing nuts were equal. (His team is still in the lead.) He's all full of that famous "compassionate con-servatism".


From:
The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat

“The threat is real,” says the handout from one training program sponsored by the Department of Justice. Since 2000, the handout notes, 25 law enforcement officers have been killed by right-wing extremists, who share a “fear that government will confiscate firearms” and a “belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”


From the US Military Academy at West Point

CHALLENGERS FROM THE SIDELINES: UNDERSTANDING AMERICA’S VIOLENT FAR-RIGHT

In the last few years, and especially since 2007, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of attacks and violent plots originating from individuals and groups who self-identify with the far-right of American politics.

Terrorist sympathizers like Just Old White Chuck don’t like facts, amirite? He questions the "political motives" of West Point. Why? The facts don't fit his political motives, of course.

We can just feel his hate.

 
At 2:07 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

"In the last few years, and especially since 2007, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of attacks and violent plots originating from individuals and groups who self-identify with the far-right of American politics."

List a dozen of these since 2007, LIAR!

Why does Larry Kudlow see the reality that we are at war with ISIS and LIAR Dubya and the President dont?

Why does LIAR Dubya want those who have sworn to slaughter us be allowed into our country?

Why can't LIAR Dubya see that the vetting proce3ss is failing America?
(CNN) — Six months to the day after Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Immigration and Naturalization Service notified a Venice, Florida, flight school that the two men had been approved for student visas.
And how many years latter,how has it improved? IT HASN'T. And we have an AG who threatens to prosecute Americans who " discriminate" against Muslims. And LIAR Dubya is ok with this.

I really believe it is because LIAR Dubya hates America and Americans. He thinks America and Americans deserve to be slaughtered by followers of the religion of peace. We got it coming! That is why he continues to deflect any spotlight on radical Islamic to the supposed massive right wing terror groups ready a message from the NRA to over throw our Constitution. He doesn't want his liberal agenda from being exposed for what it is, the destruction of America.

If that were not so, wouldn't LIAR Dubya focus on the real threat as Larry KUDLOW has done? As the majority of Americans are? As the majority of Congress do?

Instead LIAR Dubya continues on his self appointed (maybe not, maybe his HANDLERS are directing his posts?) task of weakening America to external and now INTERNAL enemy's of the American people. He will change anything he said as has just been proven.
He will site any source regardless how discredited it is by the majority of Americans, in his effort to garner the praise of his handlers. He does not find fault with ONE liberal position. How very cultist of him.

He will respond to this with his typical insanity and lies. His dull Iowa ally, will be at his side, both knowingly intent,on making American vulnerable to Islamic terrorism,

Talk about living in a bubble world. His hate is so strong that not only do his words here reflect it, but the policy's he supports reek of it. Hate for America, hate for Americans

He worships at the alter of socialism, of Islam, of death to America!

 
At 2:39 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

now INTERNAL enemy's of the American people

Yes, the Right Wing Terror threat that Just Old White Man Chuck's fellow extremists present.

List a dozen of these since 2007, LIAR!

Someone's covering his ears and eyes while throwing a tantrum again.

Funny thing about calling me liar. He can't point to ONE lie, let alone the truth.

And why hasn't he explained the "political motives" of West Point yet? And why does he deny HIS political motives?

LOL!

Seriously:

You can't beat his radical Right terrorist talk for showing us his true colors:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


To avoid charges of plagiarism, full credit goes to Just the Old Chuck for sharing his Klan meeting talking points.

Isn't that mighty white of him?

Old White Man and his young counterpart and terrorist Dylan Roof, want "their country back".

How safe does that make you feel?

 
At 3:39 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Dave,

Your last posts have really been rambling all over the place. Are you OK? We know you are upset that nobody visits your blog anymore. Remember this is Tom's blog not yours.

 
At 6:16 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Calling you out Davy, either back up your claim with the dates of the actions of Right Wing Terrorist since 9/11 that have killed more Americans than Islamic terrorist have or everyone will know you for the LIAR that I know you are. You can no longer dodge the lies your have been posting here.

Put or shut up time Davy دوبياديف

 
At 8:00 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

I'm not shocked Just Old White Man Chuck failed to cite one lie, or offer any information. He won't put up or shut up. Just dictating orders to go along with his idiotic Klan-headed accusation "Hate for America, hate for Americans... worships at the alter of socialism, of Islam, of death to America!" gibberish.

What can we expect from a nut who thinks West Point is too liberal in their political motives for him. LOL! How dare they report the truth about Right wing terrorism! Amirite?

And what else can we expect from a racist/bigot who says:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


He is one step away from being a radical Right terrorist supporter to a terrorist himself.

 
At 4:28 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuck, if you don't see where right wing terrorists have killed More Americans IN AMERICA than muslim terrorists, then you can't be taught. Turn off Fox Entertainment for 5 minutes. You'd be AMAZED.

 
At 4:30 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Tom, you still need to hold people to ONE screen name.

 
At 11:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom, like every other liberal idiot, is giving Trump the spotlight he does not deserve. MSNBC is Trump central. You can see hours of Trump live coverage every night. Not even FOX will give Trump that kind of air time. Why?

 
At 11:43 AM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Trump/Carson!!! 2016

 
At 1:45 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

GOP chooses to oppose Obama and help ISIS:

For the past eight months, Republicans have been blocking the confirmation of Adam Szubin, nominated by the president to the position of Treasury Department’s Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Crimes.

They hate Obama so much they obstruct everything, and refuse to let this man do his job to undermine ISIS and their oil sales.

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

"if you don't see where right wing terrorists have killed More Americans IN AMERICA than muslim terrorist"

Prove it Mozart, show me Mozart. If there have been so many, it shouldn't be a problem for someone as yourself who reads 6 newspapers a day to provide the info. Like dates locations, etc.

Put or shut up time LIAR Davy.

Why does this not surprise me, the DNC wants the Taxpayers to help pay for their presidential convection?

Already struggling with finances, the Democratic Party has drafted a plan to have taxpayers help pay about $20 million for next summer’s nominating convention, reversing a change Congress approved just a year ago.
t was only last year when lawmakers nixed money for the conventions, deciding the political parties and their presidential nominees — who each raised $1 billion in 2012 — didn’t need help from taxpayers anymore.

Maybe the Clinton's can lend them some $$?

 
At 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore reported his former environmental group to the Federal Bureau of Investigation after it published an article that’s a “dishonest and disfiguring” attempt to entrap academics skeptical of global warming.

“The organization I co-founded has become a monster,” Moore writes in an article detailing why he reported Greenpeace to the FBI under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO, wire-fraud statutes.

“I am profoundly dismayed that the organization I founded – an organization that once did good work addressing real environmental concerns – has descended to what I consider to be criminality and also proposes to descend to libel,” Moore writes.


 
At 3:23 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Still waiting for that alleged lie.

Crickets tell us Chuckie is the liar.

Chuckie tells us he's a racist and extremist:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


He is one step away from being a radical Right terrorist supporter to a terrorist himself.

 
At 3:43 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, try watching something other than Fox Entertainment. Sadly, the proof you seek is on TV every day.

 
At 6:15 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Facts Mozart, actual facts of right wing terrorist groups committing mass murders. Come on buddy, I'm sure you can site thousands of examples. Maybe you can tell me what networks you watch so I can become as informed as you are.
Haven't seen what you claim on CNN or MSNBC or ABC or NBC or CBS or Fox. Are you getting your news from the Cartoon Network or Comedy Central?

Or are you also a LIAR like Davy?

You lie Davy when you infer I'm a member of the Klan or a Nazi. Those are lies, a big lie, like your lie that right wing terrorists have killed More Americans IN AMERICA than Muslim terrorist since 9/11. There you are LIAR, thats your lies, now what you gonna claim you didn't say that? Another lie?

Put up or shut up Davy.

P.S. Liar Davy, why dont you tell us who you keep quoting?

 
At 6:24 PM, Blogger John Bonham said...

Mr. Donald Trump. Is indeed the Man with the Plan to make this blessed Nation Great again. People that love him see the truth, people that Hate him love the lies and corruption that only leads to more confusion, hatred, violence, and destruction. Go Mr. Donald Trump !! ..

 
At 7:08 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Welcome to The Rant John, I am a Liberal but I like to hear what Conservatives have to say. This place is in dire need of new blood. I support Sanders but would vote for Trump over Clinton any day.

We are getting close to nuclear war with Russia, will Trump save the world?

 
At 7:34 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

You lie Davy when you infer I'm a member of the Klan or a Nazi. Those are lies, a big lie, like your lie that right wing terrorists have killed More Americans IN AMERICA than Muslim terrorist since 9/11.

Wonderful. I was hoping to know what the lie was.

I may be a liar, but not by noting Chuckie’s racism and suggestion his hate and extremism fits in with the Klan. Everything he says supports this theory.

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


A fair question would be, “Is this kind of rhetoric associated with the Klan?”

And the answer would be, “Yes, this kind of rhetoric is most definitely associated with the Klan.”

Linked documentation has been provided above showing I’m honest about right wing terrorists. The Right Wing terror assessments have been sourced to law enforcement and West Point.

Chuckie deflected of course, and dismissed them as having “political motivations” and declared them as sources “discredited by the majority of Americans”.

Well, that’s a big LIE, or two, right there. He was asked to support his claim of “political motivations” and failed to do so. I wonder why…

Now let’s look at the other side of the coin, shall we?

How about we be fair and balanced and equate all his false accusations, in just this thread, as lies. Or IOKIYAR? Yeah, that always turns out to be the case.

Plagiarism? For a linked article? That would be another false accusation and lie. But, wait, it gets better.

Here’s are hate-filled lies and accusations a Klansman would be proud to spew:

Why does LIAR Dubya want those who have sworn to slaughter us be allowed into our country…Dubya hates America and Americans. He thinks America and Americans deserve to be slaughtered… LIAR Dubya continues on his self appointed (maybe not, maybe his HANDLERS are directing his posts?) task of weakening America to external and now INTERNAL enemy's of the American people. He will change anything he said as has just been proven…He will site any source regardless how discredited (West Point and law enforcement)it is by the majority of Americans, in his effort to garner the praise of his handlers….He worships at the alter of socialism, of Islam, of death to America!

What? Satan worship didn’t make the cut? I’m so disappointed. As I said, “If the hood fits…”

Chuckie’s doing a heck of a job convincing us he isn’t a Klan member, amirite?

 
At 8:52 PM, Anonymous Wikipedia said...

The Nation of Islam is an Islamic religious movement founded in Detroit, United States, by Wallace D. Fard Muhammad on July 4, 1930.[2] Its stated goals are to improve the spiritual, mental, social, and economic condition of African Americans in the United States and all of humanity.[3] Critics have labeled the organization as being black supremacist[4] and antisemitic,[5][6][7] and NOI is tracked as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.[8]

 
At 9:27 PM, Anonymous Victor David said...

Chuck, Here's some dates and details totaling 48 people killed by right-wing extremists since 9/11. Hate to clog up the comments with such a long post, but all this talk about "prove it", "dates and incidents", etc. is getting old. Plus, you could have done this yourself. It's pretty easy.

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In 2004 Wade Lay and his son Christopher Lay killed an armed guard while conducting an armed robbery. They were convicted in 2005. Wade Lay testified that the money was meant to buy weapons and according to the district attorney there was a “self-proclaimed mission to revenge Waco.” Christopher Lay had made a list of individuals he deemed responsible for Waco.

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Jim David Adkisson killed two people and injured seven others in a shooting at Tennessee Valley United Unitarian Church in July 2008. Adkisson left a letter in his SUV that expressed hatred towards liberals and gays prior to conducting the attack. Adkisson pleaded guilty in February 2009.

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In 2009, Keith Luke, a self-described neo-Nazi and white supremacist, killed two men and raped and critically injured a woman, all three of whom were of Cape Verdean descent. According to the prosecution, Luke targeted the victims for their ancestry. He told police “I was planning on killing non-whites manually. I wasn't planning on even using a gun. The only reason I used a gun is because everything got haywire.” He had also stockpiled weapons. Luke was convicted in 2013.

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In 2009 Albert Gaxiola, Shawna Forde, and Joshua Bush killed a man and his nine-year old daughter during an armed robbery of the man’s house. The three conducted the robbery to help fund their anti-immigrant organization. All three were convicted.

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In May 2009, Scott Roeder killed Dr. George Tiller, who ran an abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas. Roeder admitted being motivated by anti-abortion beliefs. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Roeder had also been part of the Sovereign Citizens movement. Roeder was convicted in 2010.

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James Von Brunn killed a security guard and injured another person in a shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Museum in June 2009. Prosecutors alleged that Von Brunn had planned the shooting months in advance. Von Brunn expressed white supremacist views and was tied to a variety of neo-Nazi and white supremacist web sites. Von Brunn died during his trial.

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In 2009, Robert Poplawski killed three police officers who responded to a domestic dispute call at his mother’s house where he was living. Poplawski frequented white supremacist websites and expressed anti-government and racist views. Poplawski was reportedly lying in wait and ambushed the responding officers. He was sentenced to death in 2011.

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In February 2010, Andrew Joseph Stack crashed a small aircraft into an Internal Revenue Service office building killing one person. Stack left an anti-government, anti-tax manifesto behind. Stack had a long history of anti-tax views. He died in the crash.

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In 2010 Raymond Peake killed a man at a gun range in Carlisle, Pennsylvania in order to steal an AR-15. Peake told investigators he stole the weapon for use in an organization seeking the overthrow of the American government that he refused to name. Peake pleaded no contest in 2012.

==== continued in next post

 
At 9:31 PM, Anonymous Victor David said...

In 2011, Isaac Aguigui, Anthony Peden, Christopher Salmon, and Michael Burnett participated in the murder of Michael Roark and his girlfriend Tiffany York. The four men were part of Forever Enduring Always Ready, an anti-government Georgia militia group, and killed Roark and his girlfriend to conceal their activity. According to prosecutors, the four planned to commit further attacks including bombing the fountain at Savannah’s Forsyth Park, attacking Fort Stewart, and killing political figures. The group possessed multiple rifles and pipe bomb materials. Aguigui, Salmon, and Peden pleaded guilty to murder charges. Burnett, who cooperated with the government pleaded guilty to manslaughter and gang violations. Heather Salmon, Christopher Salmon’s wife, was also arrested and pleaded guilty in July of 2015 to manslaughter charges in connection with Roark and York’s murders.

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On August 5, 2012 Wade Michael Page killed six people in a shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Wade Michael Page was ensconced within neo-Nazi and white supremacist circles. He had also founded a white supremacist band. Page committed suicide during the attack.

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In August 2012, Terry Smith, Brian Smith, Derrick Smith, Kyle Joekel, Britney Keith, and Chanel Skains allegedly ambushed and killed two police officers. The group was associated with the Sovereign Citizens movement and two were reportedly on a federal domestic terrorism watchlist. Skains and Keith pleaded guilty to accessory after the fact. Derrick Smith pleaded guilty to attempted murder. Brian Smith, Terry Smith, and Kyle Joekel’s trials are ongoing or about to begin.

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In 2011 David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby killed four people in a multi-state killing spree. The indictment alleged that the two along with others were members of a criminal enterprise whose purposes included “promoting and advancing a white supremacist movement to ‘purify’ and ‘preserve’ the white race and ‘reclaim our country’ and culture through acts of murder on the basis of race, color, religion, and perceived ‘degenerate’ conduct.” Pedersen pleaded guilty to a murder charge and Grigsby pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge encompassing all the crimes alleged.

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On September 12, 2014 one police officer was killed and one officer was injured in a shooting at the Blooming Grove police barracks in Pennsylvania. On September 16, 2014 State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan identified Eric Frein as a suspect and announced a manhunt for Frein who was charged with murder among other charges. Police referred to Frein as a ‘survivalist’ and Police Commissioner Noonan stated that Frein “has made statements about wanting to kill law enforcement officers and also to commit mass acts of murder” and “has expressed anti-government leanings in the past, especially toward law enforcement.” On October 30, 2014 Frein was taken into custody after seven weeks on the run. On November 13, 2014 prosecutors added terrorism charges against Frein citing a letter in which he allegedly called for a revolution and stated "Tension is high at the moment and the time seems right for a spark to ignite a fire in the hearts of men. What I have done has not been done before and it felt like it was worth a try." On January 29, 2015, Frein pleaded not guilty to all charges. He awaits trial in Pennsylvania.

==== continued next post

 
At 10:14 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

The biggest Right Wing Extremest Terror attack against this country killed 6000 troops and over one million Iraqis.

 
At 11:04 PM, Anonymous Victor David said...

Well, shit. Once again, one of my comments disappeared. WTF is up with this site? I had listed the remainder, the 3rd part showed up. Then I come back later and it's gone. Anyway, there's your facts and dates Chuck, the ones you wanted so badly. I'm not going to list the remainder again, who knows what this shitty system will do. Here's the URL

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

I hope that satisfies your demand for dates and places. BTW, the URL has Jihadist attacks too, so you can check that out if you're interested. Meanwhile, I'm saying good night: I'm tired of comments mysteriously vanishing....

 
At 11:15 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Old White Chuck will no doubt cry, "Liars", if not given the complete list.

So, here's the 3rd part:


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Frazier Glenn Cross was arrested on April 13th, 2014 and charged with murder in two shootings at Kansas City Jewish institutions that killed three people. Prosecutors also announced that they would seek federal hate crime charges. Cross has deep and public ties to the white supremacist movement and founded the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan as well as the White Patriot Party. Cross shouted Heil Hitler as he was arrested. He had posted more than 12,000 times on the extremist Vanguard News Network site. On August 31, 2015, Cross was found guilty of capital murder. In November, he was sentenced to death by lethal injection. Cross remains on death row in Kansas.

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On June 8th, 2014 Jerad Miller and Amanda Miller, a married couple, allegedly killed two police officers in an ambush at a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas proceeding to kill another person in a Wal Mart parking lot as they left the scene before committing suicide. Law enforcement are believed to have discovered a manifesto written by the shooters, though its content is unknown. The shooters reportedly yelled revolution during the shooting and left a swastika on the body of one policeman. They had also previously spoken of targeting law enforcement officers and expressed militant views according to their neighbors. Second Assistant Sherrif Kevin McMahill stated, "We believe that they equate government and law enforcement ... with Nazis" as quoted by CNN.

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On June 18, 2015, Dylann Roof was arrested and charged with killing nine people in a shooting on at the historic black Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina on June 17, 2015. According to one of the victims, Roof said: "You rape our women, and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go," during the shooting. Roof had posted a manifesto citing his radicalization after seeing the coverage of the Trayvon Martin case and laying out a racist worldview. He had also posted pictures on his website and Facebook featuring white supremacist imagery, including the Confederate battle flag, patches of the Apartheid South African flag, and a T-shirt featuring the number "88," which is often used as a symbol for "Heil Hitler."

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On November 27, 2015, Robert Dear was arrested in Colorado Springs, Colorado following a shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic that left three people dead and nine others wounded. Dear is being held in police custody on suspicion of first-degree murder. Formal charges, however, are not expected until his next court hearing on December 9th. One of Dear’s ex-wives has stated that he glued the locks of a Planned Parenthood near their home decades ago. The New York Times reported that one person who spoke with Dear extensively told them that he had praised the Army of God, an loose organization that commits violence against abortion providers, as heroes. After the shooting, Dear reportedly made a comment about "no more baby parts." The government, however, has not commented on Dear's motivations for allegedly conducting the attack.
======


 
At 12:18 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.

5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.

7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.


9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.

9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.

10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.

10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.

10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.

10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas

10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.

10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.


6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.

6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.

7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.


6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.


11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.

12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.

 
At 12:18 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

PART B


9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.

1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.


2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.

3/24/2013 USA Tabulate, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.

4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.

4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.

8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.


4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.

6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.

6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.

9/25/2014 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

7/16/2015 USA Chattanooga 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.

12/2/2015 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.


81 murdered, 319 injured by Muslim Terrorists since 9/11. I didn't include the "honor killings" of female by this religion you so want to protect.
Number of people tragically murdered in the lists Davy and Vic produced 48

More Americans have been killed by right wing terrorist since 9/11? Another LIE

 
At 3:53 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

OK Chuckie, we get it. you don't consider redneck gun nuts shooting up schools, theaters, and shopping malls a problem.

But what we said is still true, especially if you include WHITE cops deliberately gunning down unarmed Black people.

 
At 8:59 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

No Mozart what you said is NOT true, it is a LIE, and that you continue to believe it speaks volumes of how the left works. When proven wrong, change the rules.


And you don't consider the % of murders committed by blacks in America a problem, in fact you make excuses for the rate.

No you don't get it.

 
At 11:33 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

81 murdered, 319 injured by Muslim Terrorists since 9/11.

False.

Not all the murders by Muslims were acts of Jihadist terrorism, just as not all other murderers are terrorists. Domestic murders, workplace murders and victims known by the killers do not fit terrorism's definition. Even the DC snipers were not Jihadists. Sociopaths, yes, but not Jihadists.

The fact there is disagreement on numbers of victims of Islamic terrorists and American Right Wing terrorists tells us who the truly civilized Americans are.

Liberals.

(And spare us the abortion argument. It is not murder and it is not terrorism. Conservative hypocrites like Republican David Vitter and Scott DesJarlais (R-TN) have asked their mistresses to have abortions.)

IOKIYAR, amirite?

And since racist Old White Extremist Chuckie denies the existence of radical Right Terrorism, he is indeed the liar.

 
At 1:35 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Another lie from the LIAR Dave Dubya

Saying I am a "racist Old White Extremist", is a lie.

But the truth is when the left is proven wrong, they change the rules.

 
At 1:43 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Saying I am a "racist Old White Extremist", is a lie.

The preponderance of evidence suggests otherwise.

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


A fair question would be, “Is this kind of rhetoric associated with the Klan?”

And the answer would be, “Yes, this kind of rhetoric is most definitely associated with the Klan.”

And since racist Old White Extremist Chuckie denies the existence of radical Right Terrorism, he is indeed the liar. Racists and bigots lie all the time. Sometimes they let it slip like racist Old White Extremist Chuckie did with his mini-Mein Kampf.

If the hood fits....

 
At 3:40 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, does it not bother you to be owned so often in a public forum?

You and the Boy troll are entertaining to read because your ignorance is so blatant.

 
At 4:59 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Mozart, it would if what you said were not a LIE?

You doubted I volunteered for the USO?

Time for you to put up or shut up
Come on down to Lambert Airport in St Louis this Sunday anytime between 6 pm and midnight and stop by the USO. We will see who is "owned"?

You and Davy are the class clowns of the internet and LIARS to boot.
The truth is when the either of you is proven wrong, you change the rules.
Typical Lying Liberal Islamic Terrorist supporting behavior.

Put up or shut up.

 
At 6:00 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

I never said you didn't belong to anything. I said you were a moron, and you prove me right every time you post, you and your little buddy, the "boy troll".

Yes, you are owned.

 
At 6:01 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, when you prove us wrong we'll admit it. So far you aren't even close.

 
At 6:45 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Another blood thirsty evil conservative was arrested for making terror threats.

Scott Anthony Orton posted his first message on the Internet: “The management of StemExpress should be taken by force and killed in the streets today,” according to a log of the messages included in an affidavit of FBI Special Agent David Rubel, filed in support of the complaint against Orton.

Over the next four hours, according to the log, Orton posted 18 additional messages ranging from “Kill StemExpress employees. I’ll pay you for it” and “Stop the death of innocents. Kill the killers,” to “StemExpress your lives don’t matter nearly as much as your deaths do” and “I think I’ll take a little trip to Placerville this weekend. I hear there’s some good hunting down Placerville way ...”

The affidavit says Orton identified “Victim 1” by title or name in other messages. Those included:

▪ “Someone needs to double tap the (officer) of StemExpress. She lives in Placerville CA.”
▪ “(Victim 1) will have to face the souls of the babies she’s bought and sold when she arrives on the other side. I’m sending her there early.”
▪ “(Victim 1) must die. End of story. If we as humanity accept her actions we’re to be judged in the harshest manner possible.”
▪ “(Victim 1) your life isn’t worth squat.”

The final message quoted on the log in the affidavit was posted the following day, July 17: “(Victim 1) of StemExpress should be executed by hanging.”

Two days later, the FBI received tips via its public access telephone line that threats were being made against “Victim 1.”

Agents traced the messages to Orton, which were posted on the Fox Nation website

 
At 11:20 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

LOL Typical of Davy, when caught in another of his lies, just goes on like no noticed.

Sorry Davy, you and Mozart are now known LIARS on many of their claims.

No need to respond any further their lies as doing so just moves the proof of their lies further back the line and further from the most current post and thereby is more easily overlooked.

Watch now many times they post in response to this to prove my point.

"Mozart, you are not the sharpest pencil in the box"
James Hansen

 
At 3:42 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, you have NEVER proven one word I've ever said is a lie, but if that's what it takes to get you to shut up I'll start.

And quoting the Boy troll does not make you look intelligent, anymore than your support of the people who want this country to become a religious oligarchy.

Happy Holidays, and stay thirsty my friends.

 
At 3:42 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Oh, and you r use of the "Now come back and comment as I've commanded" is an old ploy of the uninformed.

 
At 5:21 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Complete list of facts offered by the "Racist Old White Extremist".

1.____________

Nothing.

List of recent fascistic Klan talking points:

The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up.

The ones who have more intelligence, more energy, will simply achieve more than the average.

Leftists are the enemy of human freedom, and they must be resisted, by armed force if necessary.


Still no explanation of the "political motivations" of West Point and law enforcement reports and concerns for violent Right wing terrorism in the US.

We certainly know the political motivations of his dishonest, far Right source of "Muslim terrorists".

How are we to believe and trust someone as dishonest and hateful as that? Obviously he is the terrorist supporter and sympathizer here.

I bet his trigger finger is gettin' mighty itchy to shoot him some "enemy of human freedom", like his kindred haters Jim David Adkisson, Scott Anthony Orton and way too many other brainwashed American far Right neo-fascists.

Chuckie's ilk are a menace to society as well as a disgrace to humanity.



 
At 6:36 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Just as I predicted.

 
At 7:51 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Dave, Mozart,

I can't lie like most marxists do when the facts don't go their way.

Clearly Chuck has shown that more Americans have been killed by radical Muslims than by right wing extremists since 9/11.

Dave, the bullshit is really getting thick in here. I may have to switch from knee boots to hip waders my marxist comrade!

 
At 11:06 PM, Blogger joe reich said...

Keep The Muslims out, who needs them, they are nothing but trouble

 
At 2:49 PM, Blogger TOM said...

Nice of Tom to give these angry white men a place to vent. At least they are not out killing.

 
At 5:24 PM, Anonymous Mike Royko said...

It’s much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it’s easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand.

 
At 7:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know they are white men Tom? Profiling much?

Bigot!

 
At 7:42 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Anonymous Chuckie whines: How do you know they are white men Tom?

LOL!!!!

What a mystery!

"Old White Man Chuck Who Wants His Country Back" and Chuckie's "The leftists most cherished goal is to institute "hate speech" laws here in the US like they have in Europe and Canada, to intimidate white people and shut us up", offer no clues whatsoever to the clueless.

Bigot!

Projecting much?

LOL!!!

 
At 7:56 PM, Blogger TOM said...

You really think people cannot tell? Laughable!

 
At 8:48 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

Dave, I had some time to check through your claim regarding right wing terrorism, and while I admit there is sadly way too much of that, a lot of those listed could fairly be classified as anarchists or white supremacists.

I don't know that I necessarily conclude that all members, if they are of any traditional political persuasion at all, are going to be right wingers. Indeed, many anarchists are typically very left wing in their other political views, if they have other political leanings. Further, I personally take offense with the left wing assumption that these racist groups are automatically right wingers too. That is not necessarily true either, sir.

Just figured I'd throw my two cents in before everyone goes back to name calling, libeling, and degrading any constructive debate. Cheers!

 
At 9:57 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

TP,
First, I want to thank you for this.

Your acknowledgment of right wing terrorism is a refreshing acceptance of reality that is absent from our extremist Old White Chuck. ( If you doubt me, I can send you screen print proof of his little name change game.)

I’m sorry you take offense to the “left wing assumption that these racist groups are automatically right wingers”. I understand in your perspective of left and right, Bush and Cheney are to the left, so it may follow that you are unwilling to accept racist groups being right wingers.

Please don’t take offense for what is not there. And please don’t blame liberals for what they have not done. If your perspective of left and right tells you West Point and law enforcement engage in “left wing assumption”, it will be difficult to take you seriously. Old White Chuck declared the sources were not to be trusted because of their “political motivations”. Of course, we’ve seen no response to requests for explanation.

But I digress, he’s not here for fair discussion, like you are my friend.

And you are correct that it it’s not always true about racist groups being right wing. I don’t think the Nation of Islam supports more voter ID laws or opposes welfare for the urban poor like most racist hate groups would.

Thanks again. And if I don’t hear from you in the meantime, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

 
At 1:48 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Hey Davy, It's 1:46 a.m. your time, did you take a screen a shot of this?

 
At 7:39 PM, Anonymous Old Bald White Hippy Who Used To Have Long Hair said...

I'm voting for Bernie.

If he promises the people free pot and free Ben and Jerry's ice cream he will win and beat that really old lying crony capitalist pig with lipstick Hillary Clinton!

 
At 5:24 PM, Anonymous Old Bald White Hippy Who Used To Have Long Hair said...

Am I the only one on this blog who likes free stuff from the blood, sweat, and tears of others?

Hail Obama and free stuff from others!

 
At 4:57 PM, Anonymous Ellen said...

Looks like Donald Trump is really getting under the skin of Tom Degan!

Who do you "leaning forward" progressives hate more, Donald Trump or Sarah Palin?

Tommy, will you have a clothespin on your nose when you poke the chad for Queen Hillary whose only qualification is that she has a vagina?

 
At 6:22 PM, Anonymous Old White Man Who Wants His Country Back said...

"Terrorism is alive and well in America. Right-wing groups and individuals are able to permeate society and kill and maim at will. When the largest purveyor of state-sponsored terrorism in the world hides behind the facade of the U.S. government, is it any wonder?"

Is it any wonder Dave Dubya's blog has only 2 comments since Dec 1?

 
At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Ellen said...

Will Tom Degan vote for Hillary, the champion of women's rights who smeared and destroyed the women whom Slick Willie Clinton groped and abused?

 
At 8:04 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Tom, you REALLY have to find a way to curb the Boy troll. His spam is making this site unreadable.

 
At 8:08 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

T.Paine, "white supremacists" are always conservatives, as are "anarchists" who just call themselves "libertarians".

How can anarchists be "left wing" when you claim we Libs want more government?

Find us an ACTUAL "racist group" like the KKK that is left wing.


BLack Lives matter does not count, as much as you want it to.

 
At 1:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nation of Islam.

 
At 1:40 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Boy Troll, the "Nation of Islam" is not left wing, in fact they are pretty matched up with the conservatives as far as ideology.

 
At 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

New Black Panthers

 
At 10:43 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Mozart,

The troll lists black nationalist groups as being "left". They are not. Only black and white Right wingers want a separation of blacks and whites.

They ain't liberals. Nothing like them. Of course the brainwashed haters won't see this fact.

One obvious hate "group" is "Anonymous/Chuckie/Ellen/Just the Facts/Old White Man who wants his country back" and all the other racists and Right Wing terrorists who agree with him.

 
At 10:47 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups

All Eyes on Egypt Bookstore
Black Riders Liberation Party
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
Nation of Islam
National Black Foot Soldier Network
New Black Panther Party
War On The Horizon

why doesn't Mozart disavow these racist hate groups? Do any of these groups agree with conservative values of less govt and individual accountability?

According to a recent Rasmussen survey, more Americans view blacks — instead of whites or Hispanics — as racist. Even liberals (21%) see most black Americans as racist. Even Democrats (29%) see most black Americans as racist. Even black Americans (1 out of every 3!) think most blacks are racist. In fact more blacks (31%) think most blacks are racist than blacks (24%) who think most whites are racist.

Are the majority of blacks liberal or conservative? I would say they are liberal based on their voting record. Using the same logic as liberals do in painting any conservative as a supporter of white racist groups because of their voting record, the same can be said for liberal.

Claiming the BLM doesn't count is arbitrary and an example of changing the rules to fit the script.

 
At 10:56 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuckie deflects from the overwhelming number of Right Wing hate groups. As we know black nationalists have more in common with segregationist white racists than they do with liberals.

Chuckie can't prove his claims. He is a known racist, impostor and liar.

I deny his poll source due to "political motivations" as he accused West Point and law enforcement for noting Right Wing terrorism.

And according to his own standards, no explanation is required.

What? IOKIYAR?



 
At 11:11 AM, Blogger Yellowstone said...

IOKIYAR = It's okay if you're a republican

 
At 12:40 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Amazing the excuses and lies from Davy.

IOKIYAL = It's okay if you're a liberal

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Awww. Chuckie's flattering me again by imitation. Amirite?

 
At 3:23 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Don’t believe the liars and shills for the Party of, by and for the Rich. (And ignorant) They want us to drink their koolade and believe Republicans govern better. Sure, if you think higher poverty rates are good for America, then vote Republican. You know they will, bless their pointed little heads.

Geography of Poverty according the USDA:

While the overall rate of poverty is higher in nonmetro counties than in metro, the difference between nonmetro/metro poverty rates varies significantly across regions. The nonmetro/metro poverty rate gap for the South has historically been the largest. In 2010-14, the South had a nonmetro poverty rate of 21.7 percent—nearly 6 percentage points higher than in the region’s metro areas. The difference in poverty rates in the South is particularly important for the overall nonmetro poverty rate because an estimated 42.7 percent of the U.S. nonmetro population lived in this region in 2010-14. Regional poverty rates for nonmetro and metro areas were most alike in the Midwest and the Northeast in 2010-14.

Behold the glory of the poverty-filled, Red State Republican, Neo-Confederacy.

 
At 3:35 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

But conservatives are smarter and more compassionate, amirite?

A “good conservative” Second Amendment supporter:

“Gun nut who wanted to shoot Clinton’s vagina arrested after cops spot his name on terror watch list”

“Hillary Clinton needs to be convicted. She needs to be tried, convicted and shot in the vagina. I want to pull the trigger. I want to shoot her right in the vagina and I don’t want her to die right away; I want her to feel the pain…Barack Obama needs to be tried, convicted, and shot for crimes against the United States of America. And if anybody has a problem with that, then you are an enemy of our state.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun-nut-who-wanted-to-shoot-clintons-vagina-arrested-after-cops-spot-his-name-on-terror-watch-list/

Now there's a "real American".

Another “good conservative” Second Amendment supporter:

“Arkansas dog massacre leaves 57 dead, few survivors”

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/arkansas-dog-massacre-leaves-57-dead-few-survivors/21048998_37052158

Stand your ground, patriots!

“Values”, amirite?

 
At 3:46 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

And yet another Muslim hating “good conservative” Republican:

Man Suspected Of Making Bombs To Harm Muslims

A post on his Facebook page said he would follow Trump “to the end of the world.”

 
At 3:47 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Gee, is there a pattern here?

 
At 6:24 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

Peace on earth and good will towards all men and women.

 
At 6:52 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Peace and good will towards all men and women. I second that.

Now if only Michigan Republicans will stop forcing the people of Flint to drink lead from polluted river water.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/a-manmade-disaster-michigan-city-declares-state-of-emergency-after-widespread-wider-contamination/

A manmade disaster: Michigan city declares state of emergency after widespread water contamination

The city of Flint, Michigan has declared a state of emergency over contaminated water supplies amid calls for a criminal investigation, the resignation of the state governor and a class action lawsuit that could top $1 billion.

The city was being run under state-imposed emergency powers when it converted to use the local water supply in April 2014, in a bid to save money.


Proving money matters more than people, especially, well, you know what people:

Governor Snyder tried to spin the disaster, “Let’s get the facts, let’s keep working this and let’s remember, water isn’t the only source of lead,” he said on Detroit Public Television.

Merry Christmas, Flint.

Vote Republican! Let them drink lead!


 
At 7:32 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...



"How America’s dying white supremacist movement is seizing on Donald Trump’s appeal"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/21/how-donald-trump-is-breathing-life-into-americas-dying-white-supremacist-movement/

Storm Front is getting a lot of attention from Trump supporters.

Sorry, the guys yelling, "Sieg Heil!" at Trump rallies are not liberals.

 
At 8:03 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

The Boy troll's name is "Drew". LOL

 
At 12:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2015/12/donald-trump-supporter-found-with.html

 
At 12:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two cents is all your opinion is worth Mr. Paine, since the facts prove you wrong.

 
At 1:04 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

LOL Typical of Davy, when caught in another of his lies, just goes on like no noticed.

Sorry Davy, you and Mozart are now known LIARS on many of their claims.

No need to respond any further their lies as doing so just moves the proof of their lies further back the line and further from the most current post and thereby is more easily overlooked.

Watch now many times they post in response to this to prove my point.

"Mozart, you are not the sharpest pencil in the box"
James Hansen


Just as I predicted.

 
At 1:21 AM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

"Watch now many times they post in response to this to prove my point."


AH the old "Dance Puppet dance" Gambit. Used so that any response is at YOUR bidding.

FUCK YOU how's that for a response?

You have not proven that Dave and I have lied about anything, and by quoting the Boy troll you prove you are just as ignorant and unable to form an original thought as he is.

Conservatives are trying to kill America and YOU support them.

I have no idea WHY.

 
At 10:13 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Conservatives are trying to kill America and YOU support them. I have no idea WHY.

Hate. Indoctrination. Ignorance. All must be utilized by the elites and their Party of Mammon in the efforts to subvert democracy, and to suppress constitutional taxation and regulation of commerce.

Bottom line: Greed.

You know. "Values". Amirite?

 
At 4:47 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

"FUCK YOU how's that for a response?"

It's what I've come to expect from an Iowa hick.

Thanks for proving my point.

Hey Davy, did you capture this screen shot of Mozart's?

 
At 4:50 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

AZ lawmaker who believes Earth 6,000 years old leads education panel


Republican Sen. Sylvia Allen of Snowflake has a gift for going viral with statements that would be edited out of most school textbooks:

- Buying into conspiracy theories surrounding "chemtrails" -- exhaust from aircraft -- and suggesting the government is manipulating the weather.

- Sharing her opinion that church attendance should be mandatory, during a legislative debate on whether concealed weapons should be allowed in public buildings (she voted for the bill).

- Declaring the Earth "has been here 6,000 years," during a debate over allowing access to public lands for mining and other purposes.

Senate President Andy Biggs on Monday named Allen to lead a committee that acts as a gatekeeper for education-related legislation, such as Common Core and spending.

"She understands what Arizona students and parents need in our education system," Biggs said in a prepared statement. "She is a very experienced legislator and I know she will do a wonderful job."

Allen said her goal is "to highlight the incredible teachers who are the reason for our children's success. I also want to focus on parents' responsibility in their children's education."



Vote Republican and take our country back to the Dark Ages.

 
At 5:06 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Chuck, we all know what you are good at but I suggest you put it away or you will make it bleed again. LOL

 
At 5:27 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Chuck, why do you hate Liberals so much, we did not throw you in the dumpster,your mother did. LOL

 
At 6:14 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, when you post something worthy of respect you will get it. Until then "Fuck you" is what you deserve. You have called dave an I "liars" yet have produced no evidence supporting it. You have regularly posted nonsense that has already been fully debunked (so who's the liar?)


WHAT HAVE CONSERVATIVES DONE FOR THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS THE LAST 40 YEARS?

So far that has never been answered .

 
At 7:09 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Be careful Mr.Hansen, you going to get put away for being a Peeping Tom, again.
And of course, we all know that.

 
At 7:10 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Mozart,
Tell me what the poor and middle class need that Conservatives have kept them getting? That's the question you should be asking, but in your Iowa hick mind, thinking is not an option.

 
At 7:11 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Mr. Hansen, Mozart, see you both are raising the liberal bar in debating again. LOL

 
At 7:15 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Come on Chuck, you old pedophile, is that the best you got?

 
At 8:20 PM, Blogger Mozart1220 said...

Chuckie, just answer the question. WHAT HAVE CONSERVATIVES DONE FOR THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS THE LAST 40 YEARS?

We know for certain what they have done for the uber rich.

And I embrace being a hick. Try another one.

But to answer YOURS we could use jobs with living wages, and benefits. We could use affordable healthcare, we could use clean air and water (that doesn't BURN) and we could use NOT being at war for 5 minutes. Those are a few off the top of my head.

But I guess you don't care about those things.

 
At 8:33 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...


Where would we be without conservatives?

Tell me what the poor and middle class need that Conservatives have kept them getting?

Good idea, not that Chuckie will pay attention.

Conservatives have kept poor and middle class women from getting health care services, and their right to safe, legal reproductive choice.

Conservatives have attacked, and continue to suppress, unions and collective bargaining rights that grew America's middle class.

Conservatives have attacked, and continue to suppress, minimum wages to help the poor.

Conservatives have attacked, and continue to suppress, voter registration rights, access to polls and early voting. These are directed to affect the poor most.

Conservatives and war criminals kept the poor and middle class from avoiding trillions of dollars in debt, along with horrible loss of life in Iraq. They kept the poor and middle class, and the world, from living without ISIL.

You know. "Values". Amirite?

Thanks a lot, conservatives.

 
At 12:49 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

LOL listen to the floundering liberal hacks, lowest IQ's on the internet.
All the things they claim people don't have, we are giving to "refugees" as soon as they cross our borders. Are they really that stupid, rhetorical question. LOL

 
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At 10:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SOOO, IT APPEARS YOU'RE ALL SUCKERS OF THE LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM.
You support and likely vote (not that votes really matter on the national level anyway) democrat or republican as a substitute for thinking, or because your parents did or because you live in a "blue" or "red" state.
One of the nagging unanswered questions I have is why is taxpayers money being used to prop up two private corporation political parties? Hence, we have zero chance of change or control over the processes unfolding behind closed doors.
Keep beating the drums of war... why isn't Deegan speaking out against ALL of the corruption that is blatently ignored by the mainstream media? I'll tell you why, because he is a delusional narcissist who is more concerned about how many hits his site gets than actually doing anything that even remotely resembles investigative journalism. He simply repeats bits and pieces of what Chris Mathews or Rachel Maddow says and doesn't even verify it. A pathetic existence indeed. If you really want solutions, you need to grapple with the source of the problem and I haven't read a single post on here that seems to understand it. Sad,sad,sad.
remember...there is only one thing worse than a 2 party system...and that's a ONE party system.

 

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