What Price Donald?
"Not one of them can win, but one must. That's the paradox of the race for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, fast becoming the signature event in the history of black comedy."
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From this week's Rolling Stone
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That's what I've been saying for months, and yet Taibbi says it so much better than I. Hats off to the dude; he knocks 'em out of the park every time.
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It wasn't supposed to come to this. And yet, this is the price that "the party of Abraham Lincoln" is paying for its three-decades-plus courtship of a class of people that had historically been politically apathetic: the terminally insane. Today the chickens have come home to roost in the guise of Donald Trump. Before this gets any better for the panic-stricken heads of the Republican National Committee, it's going to get worse. Five months ago, the very idea of the Donald receiving the GOP nod at next summer's convention was about was about as fanciful as Eric Clapton recording an entire LP of covers by Freddie and the Dreamers. Today, I'm not so sure.`
You've got to wonder exactly what is going on inside the minds of your average Republican primary voter - particularly in the South and Midwest. The more this guy steps in it, the higher his stock continues to rise among these people. From mocking a New York Times Reporter with a neurological disorder - to insisting that all Muslims be registered and monitored by Big Brother - to referring to Mexican immigrants as rapists and drug dealers - he seems unable to offend any of these people. Even when he proclaimed that Iowans were idiots because his poll numbers were somewhat lagging in that state, he appears not to have offended a soul. You gotta wonder. You really do.
This is not to say that Donald Trump is a fool. I honesty don't think that he really believes one/tenth of the nonsense he adds to the national political conversation. He knows full well that - at least in this day and age - in order to get the Republican nomination, a candidate has to stomp around the country saying a lot of mind-bendingly stupid things. Once he gets the nomination (assuming that he does indeed get it), it will be quite an amusing thing watching him slither back from the extreme-right to the center-right during the general election. There's also this uncomfortable factor: forgetting his all-too-numerous faults as a candidate, there is (with me at least) a grudging admiration for the guy. I have always appreciated anyone with moxie - and Trump has moxie to spare. If the definition of successful parenting is instilling self-confidence in a child, Donald Trump's mom and dad were the best parents in history.
Sometimes I wonder if he is some sort of double agent doing espionage work for the opposition party. At one time he described himself as a "liberal", so anything is possible I suppose. The damage he is doing to that party is palpable and incalculable.
Trump's candidacy almost guarantees that for the first time in one-hundred and sixty years, one Democratic administration will be followed into the White House by another Democratic administration. The last time that happened was on March 4, 1957 when Franklin Pierce tossed the keys to the executive mansion over to pathetic old James Buchanan. It hasn't happened since. It will happen again on Inauguration Day 2017 - mark my words, boys and girls. The curse is being broken. Aren't these interesting times?
And yet, in spite of all these nasty little developments, progressives across the land are setting themselves up for a huge let down. For one thing, Hillary Clinton is not the second coming of Eleanor Roosevelt - that's for damned sure. And even if she ends up surprising us, she'll still have to deal with the aggravations from the disloyal opposition that her husband and Barack Obama had to deal with during their respective tenures. While the Republicans almost certainly have become virtually unelectable on a national level, they won't be going away any time soon. Barring a miracle, they'll still control the house and the senate for the foreseeable future. There's still no end to the damage that they can and will do. This is something we'll just have to live with.
Isn't this a time?
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED READING:
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Mark Twain
by Ron Powers
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As once was observed by Ernest Hemingway, American literature began with Samuel Clemens, AKA Mark Twain. If you want to understand the man, this excellent biography is the place to begin. Every page is a revelation. I should be writing blurbs for a living.
posted by Tom Degan @ 8:36 AM
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March 4, 1957 to 2015 = 160 years?
Americans get the representation they elect.
It has been said the TParty was set up by KRove. Its function was to rile up the GOP electorate with anger - enough so they might even vote . . . Looking backward it obviously got out of hand!
This new phenomenon, DTrump and company, is setting a similar standard in that he is also riling up the GOP - but doing it in a way that dredges and makes stuff up from the bottom of the pond.
DTrump will go away - I bet by the time the Iowa caucuses begin or end. As he has said 'Iowans are idiots' . . a loss will be a personal embarrassment.
Trump has voted for many a Democrat in his time. He has said that ""the economy does better under the Democrats". He has in the past refused to support the GOP nominee if it isn't him. He has openly defended Planned Parenthood. He has approved of exceptions to abortion bans. He has supported a single-payer health care system. He has backed an "assault weapons" ban. He had advocated in the past for a one-time 14.25% additional tax on the wealthy to erase the national debt. He has befriended many liberals, even in his personal life to the point of inviting the Clintons to his wedding.
With all of that said, I think the number of truly conservative Republicans supporting Trump is very small. Indeed, the Tea Party folks seem to be throwing their support more in the direction of Cruz as the Iowa caucus approaches. I think, with Trumps liberal past, that many of his supporters tend to be disaffected moderates. I think he has captured many of the Reagan Democrats that are wary of illegal immigration further eroding the job market.
In other words, I doubt very seriously that it is the conservative base that is backing Trump. I think this is why you will continue to see him slip in the polls as the primaries approach and the conservative base starts to pay more attention to details.
We have had a string of progressives as president for the last three or four oval office holders. We do NOT need another one. Conservatives desperately understand that, and will not vote for Trump accordingly.
If we do, we will be handing the office over to the egregiously corrupt and incompetent Hillary. We will not survive as a nation of freedom under the rule of law if that comes to pass.
T. Paine, hear is an article you should read..
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43566.htm
I do not see how a Republican president will be better than Clinton in this regard, they all seem to think a nuclear war with Russia is a great idea. I also can not think of a single Republican policy that will be good for the country in general. Maybe you can inform me of such.
Here LOL!
war with Russia? Mr Hansen where do you get your news?
How about the simply of enforcing our own laws regarding our international borders Doing so would be bad?
Also, have you any ideas yet how the world would look if America had not been in any wars since WWII?
Just asking
Chuck Morre: "war with Russia? Mr Hansen where do you get your news?
I'm not sure of Mr. Hansen's exact sources, but it's apparent that you get yours exclusively from the mainstream media. I suggest that you dig deeper.
"Also, have you any ideas yet how the world would look if America had not been in any wars since WWII? Just asking"
Yes, the world would be more peaceful and less fascist.
Mr. Morre, please stick with the topic at hand. You consistently and repeatedly attempt to hijack the discussion on this blog to address your own pet peeves and stubbornly insular viewpoints about unrelated subjects. I suggest that you create your own blog to address your own passions, and take your equally small-minded pseudonyms with you.
Back to the topic...
“...we’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule… And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago…”
These are the words of a man who embraces totalitarianism -- a man who wants to put refugees in detention centers and create a database about them.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me."
~~~Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
People such as Trump pander to the lowest and most morbid instincts of people going through national crisis and turmoil; to those who feel hate and derision of other groups is the answer, and their slogans and hate-speech are sure signs of a country moving toward nationalistic superiority over all others. They initiate the small steps toward an out-and-out and very visible police state.
Mr. Trump may very well be the "closer" that they're looking for. If not, I'm sure Hillary Clinton will be able to pull off the job. Either way, we're in for the ride of our lives.
JG
I have to be frank with you.
What makes you believe your source of information has the real story, the real truth and all other sources are questionable?
What makes you think that your information sources do not have an agenda?
My question to Mr. Hansen is a simply one, what are the sources that would support his claims about the Republican presidential candidates?
This smacks of the same type of hit and run politics that democrats are not held accountable for...like Harry Reid's claim form the Senate floor that Romney had not paid his income taxes. Yet any conservative regardless of political party is held up to ridicule for any statement they make and amount of explaining or defending will satisfy the left. (I.E. Sarah Palin for example)
JG
I agree with you but for different reasons that Clinton would be bad for America if elected, I agree with you that President Trump would be bad for America, but for different reasons. Having said that, we would not agree on who would be best. And there is the rub.
I believe it is not in the best interests of America to continue our current immigration/refugee policy. I believe that to do so is allowing a Trojan horse to cross our borders. I believe the immagration laws must be enforced and obeyed. That is not totalitarianism, that is the rule of law, not of man.
I believe for someone to become upset over the M&M comparison because it's people we are talking about smacks of the highest hypocrisy when those people ignore the humanity of those innocent victims of abortion, and demand their names. As you rightly pointed Pastor's Niemoller's out, there was no one to speak for him when he remained silent.
Here are a few of the names given to those murdered by Dr. Gosnell
Baby Adam( aborted at 7 1/2 months six pounds weight)
Baby Michael (killed at 28 weeks)
Baby Alex ( breathed for 20 minutes after delivery)
Baby Chris ( delivered into the toilet and was seen swimming there)
Baby Andy ( heard to whine)
Who was there for these when the murder came for them?
You?
JG
I think you need to read Mr Hansen's posts before you are critical of my responding to his before telling me to focus on the subject at hand.
It's no secret Republicans want another war, whether with Russia, Iran, or anybody else they fear-monger.
Gosnell was convicted. Time for the next straw man.
We will not survive as a nation of freedom under the rule of law if that comes to pass.
Too late, I'm afraid.
War based on lies for crony profit and political gain is now accepted. Torture and indefinite detention without charges are now accepted.
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality." - Karl Rove
Chuck Morre: "What makes you believe your source of information has the real story, the real truth and all other sources are questionable?"
Occam's razor. Usually, given all competing possibilities, the answer containing the fewest assumptions is closer to the truth. In most cases, the simplest answer revolves around who has the motive, and who profits. In a nutshell, "Cui bono".
"What makes you think that your information sources do not have an agenda?"
Obviously, everyone has an agenda. I personally believe the left's agenda is closer to the truth. Over time this has proven to be true.
"Who was there for these when the murder came for [aborted fetuses]? You?"
Again, you're using this forum to promote your own interests. Please start your own blog if abortion is such a hot-button issue with you.
Please discontinue diverting the conversation.
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JG
Please stop telling me what I can say and where I can say it.
Yeah, JG.
Who are we to ask (since "Please" indicates a polite request or question) not "tell" as he lied, a troll to be appropriate?
That's like asking an extremist to be reasonable, ISIS to be civilized, or a cult member to stop believing his cult leaders, like his wise, experienced and knowledgeable Sarah Palin. She reads ALL the newspapers, ya know.
Sorry to be nit-picky but it was "1857" not "1957." Also Truman won the presidential election in '48; Johnson won in '64 (but I know what you mean - assuming office the normal way).
J.G. abortion is the only issue Conservatives have that they can feel good about. Every other policy and issue pushed by Conservatives is either bad for the country or just plain treason. Without the abortion issue the whole Republican party would dry up and blow away.
Excuse me Davy, but JG didn't ask
Just another example of your putting words into people's mouths
Me Hansen
And without a poor unlerclass there would be no need for liberalism
Dear Libtards
It is your leader President Obama who is leading America into possible war with Russia. It is he who is commander and chief and who is sending an expeditionary force to Syria not the GOP candidates
It is a Democrat congresswoman from Hawaii who says she fears Obama's action in the Middle East could lead to nuclear war with Russia
My source National Review
What's your source claiming the GOP candidates want war?
T. Paine: "We have had a string of progressives as president for the last three or four oval office holders."
That's funny! Tongue-in-cheek humor?...
Ignore the truth
How typical of you mr Hansen
When presented with who really is leading us down the path to war with Russia, like a good Libtard you ignore
No surprise.
T. Paine: "We have had a string of progressives as president for the last three or four oval office holders."
That's funny! Tongue-in-cheek humor?...
Sadly no. Just as there are deluded souls who believe the Galactic Overlord Xenu dumped souls into Earth's volcanoes, there are those who call Clinton, Obama and even Bush "progressive". Bush/Cheney were way to liberal donchaknow? And honest to a fault.
What's your source claiming the GOP candidates want war?
They all, except for perhaps Rand Paul, follow the wishes of their Dear Leader and one true president of the GOP Netanyahu, who openly urged bombing Iran.
Not that corpo-dems are immune from the pressures of the neo-cons, Pentagon and MIC for more war.
Of course, "Con-tards" can't be expected to recognize reality.
Dear Davy Snowflakr
Here are the people who claim as you do that the GOP wants war with Russia
Trevor Timm
Rachel Maddow
Philip Girald
CNN
American Thinker
Donald Trump
Libtards over look that it's the President who declairs war, not people running for office. Best is the very subject of this post Donald Trump, agrees with Davy!
Must be a very confusing world you live in Snowflake. It's a riot watchng trying to figure out who to blame while defending Obama's failed foreign policy
Oh I forgot, can't blame the black guy, he's only been in charge for 7 years
Now people are dead because the GOP pushed a faked video about Planned Parenthood.
And they are blaming the murders on Liberals.
So much for the party of personal responsibility.
SCrew ISIS, the REAL terrorist threat comes from over amped conservative White guys.
Um... The President doesn't declare war; Congress does.
T. Paine was skeptical and sarcastic when I stated Liberal news sources were less partisan and covered more subjects in greater detail compared to Conservative sites. Here is the first proof about the validity of my theory. He will never read about this in any right wing news source.
This subject is straight out of science fiction with a horror movie aspect. I believe it is the most important issue facing the world today.
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/fukushima-s-radiation-goes-largely-uncovered-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-the-us#14490845242561&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=
the President who "declairs" war Only Republican presidents get to "declair" war.
people who claim as you do that the GOP wants war with Russia
What kind of snowflake sees' "Iran" as "Russia". An idiot snowflake, of course.
We see another "Second Amendment supporter" has gone on the rampage in San Bernardino.
Better blame liberals, amirite?
So when will fellow Second Amendment Remedy "Snowflake Chuckie" grab a gun and vent HIS rage towards innocent people? It's got to just be a matter of time before he acts on all his ignorance, hate and pent up rage.
No one can say they didn't see it coming.
Is that the best you can do Snowflake?
Why is it most murders in America Are committed by Obama voters? Who has fueled their rage?
95% of Black Americans voted for Obama
52% of all murders are committed by Black Americans
Must be the hate the Libtards are spewing.
Gun murders in Chicago? See above
Better blame liberals, amirite? Right again, Dave
Why is it most murders in America Are committed by Obama voters?
Chuckie's friends at Klan meetings love this lie. Thugs don't vote. Well, except for Snowflake Chuckie.
So why does a "Libtard" know the difference between Russia and Iran, and Chuckie doesn't?
Since 9-11 more Americans have been killed by Chuckie's fellow Right Wing extremists than by the Muslims they hate.
The body count rises. Do I see Snowflake Chuckie dancing over this fact? What happened to his concern for inoocent lives, or even the cop who was killed by his fellow Obama hater?
Davy
Why can't you stop Democrate voters from committing 52% of all murders in America
More Americans have been killed by Obama voters since 9/1
Davy, why are you using racist code words to describe those who support the Democrats?
Davy, do you believe what Jesus said about himself?
Davy do you believe Republicans are pushing for war with Russian when it's our President who is sending our ground troops into the Middle East?
Me Hansen I see you're still calling for censorship of those you disagree with.
Typical Libtard Totalitarian
By Chuckie's incoherent babbling, we can safely conclude he and his fellow Klansmen support extremist Right Wing Terrorists.
If the hood fits....amirite, again?
As Snowflake Chuckie stews and frets about his Final Solution to the "Black Problem" we note:
Since Sandyhook:1,029 mass shootings, killing at least 1,300 people, wounding 3,699 more.
God bless the Second Amendment, pass the ammunition, and Smell the Freedom!
Davy
You poor little Libtard snowflake, there you go putting words into my mouth
1029 mass shooting committed by whom?
Chicago "thugs"?
Didn't you say more Americans have been killed by right wingers since 9/11 than were killed on 9/11? You do know close to 3000 died on 9/11?
Looks like you got your numbers all screwed up again
No surprise
Dear Chuck Morre -
Please learn to read and comprehend. Yes, 3000 died on 9/11, but the phrase "since 9/11" does not include 9/11. And you might want to know that the data that supports this assertion comes not only from the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the Start Center at the University of Maryland, but from a survey of law enforcement agencies around the country.
Now, you can write that all of as left-wing propaganda - as I suspect you will because it doesn't fit your narrative - but it doesn't make it so. Yes, terrorism from extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State does indeed exist, but there is a growing problem of home-grown terrorism from right-wing extremists. This is not just my opinion; it's also the viewpoint of quite a few of those in law enforcement.
Of course, if you're the conspiracy type, you can twist that around your pretzel logic somehow and come up with something like how Muslims have infiltrated law enforcement everywhere - but again, it doesn't make it so.
p.s. Also, Dave didn't say "more Americans have been killed by right wingers since 9/11 than were killed on 9/11" (as you repeated). He said "Since 9-11 more Americans have been killed by Chuckie's fellow Right Wing extremists than by the Muslims they hate."
Again, reading AND comprehension. They're your friends. Oh, and not making shit up.
VD
When did I say police forces are being infiltrated by Musliems?
Fort Hood shooting anyone?
More killed by right wing extremists?
Hi Chuck,
Okay, I get it. You don't know how to read very well, or at least you pretend not to. I didn't say that you said police forces were being infiltrated. I said IF you're the conspiracy type. You completely ignored that part and went straight to deflection. You sure didn't even address the findings of the various institutions I mentioned, nor your misrepresentation of Dave's original assertion. Figures. Oh well, good night.
Chucky, the mass shottings that happen almost daily now are ALL turning out to be CONSERVATIVE WHITE "Christians".
But you go ahead and call people names like "snowflake" and push the Limbaugh bullshit.
I'm so sick of conservatives and their passing the buck I could puke.
Since Victor has has wished us good night, I'll answer this one.
Snowflake Chuckie, (As evidenced by his chronic projection, he is more likely to have the characteristics of "snowflake") he has questions, damn it!
Snowflake Chuckie wonders, "More killed by right wing extremists?"
Yes! Surprise!
Or not really.
The answer is YES! Even MORE than the Fort Hood Shootings.
This is exactly what we've saying.
We, being the sane people here, and the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the Start Center at the University of Maryland, AND from a survey of law enforcement agencies around the country.
Since 9-11 more Americans have been, and are being killed, by Right Wing extremists than by all the Muslims they hate. And this is why Snowflake Chuckie is desperately doing his best to distract from that reality by his "Better blame liberals" lies. Amirite again?
So as long as it's not a Muslim, Chuckie shows us he's quite the Right Wing terrorist sympathizer. He believes in their cause and will dedicate his life to pushing their propaganda.
If the hood fits...
Good night.
Now wait a minute
You and Ms Maddow are claiming mass murders occur ever day i.e. two people killed, right?
Obama's own attorney general reported that 52% of murders are committed by black Americans.
How many mass murders where white?
How many "mass" murders in Chicago with the nations strictest gun control laws were committed by whites?
Passing the buck!!! You Libtart's have created the idea that the murderer is not the problem, that they were provoked into killing by whites, right?
Said something, white privilege, racist code like Davy used, black lives matter. Now whose words are those? Why they are Libtard spokespersons. So are they to be blamed for causing the black murder rate?
Snowflakes you can't have it both ways. The majority of Americans are sick of your blame game, self righteousness, and hypocrisy.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
MOZART, James Hansen described you best when he said
"Mozart, you are not the sharpest pencil in the box"
So puke already.
Davy,
Do you still prefer Shaira Law over the laws of our nation?
Why do you hate white Christians so much?
Do you agree with what Jesus said about himself?
Do you "thugs" is a racst code word?
Chuckie,
Conservative Christians think women should have no rights, every male should carry a gun and religion should run the show.
What's the difference between that and your dreaded "Sharia law" that has become such a conservative catchphrase?
No one hates TRUE Christians of any color, we just oppose the assholes that iuse Jesus name but clearly have never read the WORDS.
And keep quoting the Boy Troll. THAT makes you look intelligent.
YOU ASSHOLES HAVE THE BLOOD OF MANY DEAD ON YOUR HANDS. SOME AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE FAKED PLANNED PARENTHOOD VIDEO.
WHITE right wing whoackos are shooting up the country, and you have the nerve to blame Obama, and insult libertals you racist piece of shit.
Mozart AKA dull pencil,
Truth is Over 95% of Blacks voted for Obama
Truth is AG Holder' s DOJ stated Blacks committed 52% of all our murders.
When are you going to blame the murderer, instead of white Christians, NRA, GOP, Tea Party?
When are you and other Libtards going to do about this, call people names?
Truth is under Islam that you favor over Christianity women have zero rights, when are you going to disavow Islam, which also hates and kills gays?
I blame YOU Dull Pencil, Libtards, the DNC, and Obama for the past seven years of the increased rhetoric of hate speach as shown in your last post.
Another mass murder yesterday (14 murdered) committed by another group of white right wing wackos, good thing it wasn't done by those followers of the religion of peace.
Interesting how the only solution from Obama is stronger gun laws, how's that working in Chicago. How weak are CA gun laws?
Snowflake Chuckie blames liberals for the increasing numbers and memberships of Right Wing hate groups and Right Wing Terrorism. This is called "Personal responsibility". Blaming and projecting unto others.
Snowflake Chuckie is more than just an asshole, he's a terrorist sympathizer who blames the victims.
If the hood fits....
Chuckie, I am so White I glow in the dark and I voted for Obama TWICE. Your idea that Blacks voted for Obama ONLY because he was Black comes straight out of the Limbaugh playbook and you should be ashamed to repeat it.
I noticed you focused on ONE mass shooting (California), and the evidence of WHO did it and WHY is not in yet.
Bu we DO know about Dylan Roof, and we DO know about the Planned Parenthood TERRORIST and we DO know about several others done by conservative WHITE gus, so let's not act like you support the innocent.
You also keep bringinig up Chicago as if
A: It's not a HUGE city so natuarlly there will be more crime and,
B: It's a simple matter of importiing guns from INdiana who would sell a gun to a 5 year old Muslim for a profit.
And mention ONE LINE of "hate speech" from Obama. I can post page after page from Trump and the rest of the GOP clown car.
Dave, you left out that Chuck has the personality of a used condom! LOL I figure I can out do Chuck at his own level since nothing else is going on here anymore.
Dear Snowflakes. (Mozart, Davy and James)
It had become clear to me that you collectively if not singular are not worth of my time to debate you
I say this because Davy has again slipped into his painting with a dirty paint brush in order to avoid facing a lack of intelligent reply to my post
Mozart has reverted to swearing as an example of his higher debate skills. Plus he is now Capt Geography with his startling statement that Chicago is a big city
Way to go out on a limb, James right about you
James
Since you feel it necessary to lower your self into the gutter as a form of debate I will simply leave you with this though
I do not believe it to be very sporting of me to debate a man like you whose best parts did not escape the condom the man his mother was with was using
Its quite obvious to me that Syed Farook's actions in San Bernardino were caused by Global Warming.
Condomboy, you are a worthless piece of shit and you are too stupid to even put together a witty insult. From now on I will attack and insult you constantly as you have done for four years. You have turned this site into an insult blog so I am going to turn the tables on you, we will see how you like it asshole.
Dave,
One post back, you laid out a clear and compelling argument regarding the right for a woman to have her choices between herself and her god. Near the end, you asked an interesting and thoughtful questions of Chuck Morre and asked him to "be honest" in his reply. Of course, he didn't reply.
Hate to break it to you Dave, but asking Chuck to "be honest" isn't going to work. I've followed a lot of these conversations and even chimed in from time to time. Chuck is not about to "be honest." In fact, that's what I find repugnant about many of the right-wing. It's not their difference of viewpoint, it's their fundamental intellectual dishonesty. When presented with facts, they deflect, attack the source and/or attack the messenger. I could respect their principles if that's what they really were. But they're not; their so-called "principles" are one sided.
Example: it's wrong to criticize the president during time of war. Well, I don't agree, but okay, I can respect that - if you're consistent. However, when the administration changes to one they don't like, suddenly it's okay to criticize the president again. This is a fundamental character dishonesty that does not deserve respect.
I've asked questions of people such as Chuck, questions that might cause them to as least consider something other than their own viewpoint. And some do respond. But others, such as Chuck, never do. It's like they wait a while and pretend they didn't hear you.
I like Tom's blog and his writing style. But the comments section is turning into a cesspool. There can be some good thoughts here, but they're getting harder to find amid the juvenile name-twisting and name-calling. I know Tom has an anything-goes policy, but I hope someday he'll reconsider, start moderating, start scrubbing the shit stains off the comment wall, so to speak.
Victor
You seem to be blind to the fact that Davy refuses ever to answer my question but instead replies with questions of his own or dives into the use of ad hominem
When he responds as you wish I would we could have a dialog. Until them I will fight fire with fire
Look up name and name twisting and you will find it started with Davy. He is your source of discontent
Victor,
I have never said it was wrong to critiqued a president while we are at war, however has Obama said we are at war? If he has who are we at war with? Has the president said? Has he muttered the words Radical Islamic Terrorist? Why not? JG, Mozart and Davy claim America is being controlled by Israel. Am I the only one who finds that laughable when Obama can not call those are here now and are plotting to kill us what they are, Radical Islamic Terrorist?
Davy can use all the eloquent thought out words he has in his defense of abortion, yet for all that he can not come to terms with reality and call the victims of the abortion table what they are, Human. How reality based is that?
Insult blog, look at my being called a Klansman, a Nazi, a Con-servative, right wing nut etc. Look at Hansen's and recent Mozart posts and tell me who insulted who. Read Hansen's last post more profanity more threats. Are you offended by that or do I got it coming cause I disagree with liberalism and dare to say so, dare to ask questions whose answers might embarrass them? Or are you so offended by the very idea of someone questioning liberalism that you too feel I have it coming cause I'm the enemy?
Moderate this blog is up to its owner who has bravely stood by his 1st Adm rights. Who has called for censorship? The liberals who post here.
Victor, one thing you can do is to link your name to something thus preventing someone "stealing your name" and posting under your name. ( example would be the post by Hansen? About global warming). If Hansen had done as TP and recommended he do and link his name this type of name stealing would end. That he chooses not to if as he says it makes him so angry, must be for his unknown reasons.
What's the question you want me to answer?
Viktor,
The question was directed at TP, but no conservative is willing to answer it. Here is the question with context:
Are you aware of the arrest, humiliation and imprisonment of women who suffer a miscarriage in El Salvador where the same policy that you embrace is in place?
They are being charged with murder. Is this what you mean by "truly pro-life"? It is in fact anti-choice, anti-freedom and anti-equality.
Be thankful you will never suffer such inequality of rights as the loss of control of who you are, and who you choose to be.
Some things are best left between a woman and her God. You and I and the Republican Party and the government are not, and should not be, in this relationship.
And you whine about the government coming between you and your doctor? Please.
How much of that hated government control over your life is anything near being forced by the government to bear the child of your rapist? Be honest. When anti-choicers whine about being "oppressed" by Obamacare, or "Socialism" or anything else, they are hypocrites wishing to impose their beliefs and choices unto others.
Now for some questions from Snowflake Chuckie.
has Obama said we are at war? If he has who are we at war with? Has the president said? Has he muttered the words Radical Islamic Terrorist? Why not?
Smart guy, huh? Let him wonder about these questions. Did Obama order the attack that killed bin-Laden? Does Obama have a drone program? Did Obama say we were launching air attacks and sending support to Iraq to fight ISIS? Has Obama mentioned ISIS?
If someone won't answer these questions, his stupid questions should be ignored.
Chuck -
:Various thoughts:
First, I was merely pointing out an example of a right-wing meme that strongly made the rounds during the presidency of G.W. Bush, that is, it was wrong to criticize the president during a time of war (war with Afghanistan, Iraq, war on terror, whatever). Wasn't saying you said that, but was pointing out the general hypocrisy of a so-called "principle" that changed with the next administration. There are many more inconsistent "principles" that get trotted out and I have to put "principles" in quotes because they are subject to change so easily.
As for name twisting, you do it, Dave does it, among others. And no, I don't think it's right. For instance, Dave's (published) name is "Dave", not "Davey" (in an attempt to make him seem more of a child, I guess). Likewise, your name is "Chuck", not "Snowflake". IMO, this kind of juvenile crap serves no purpose. People think they're cute when they do it, but it really just serves to show a certain level of immaturity.
And you say you're going to "fight fire with fire". How helpful is that? Seriously? Well, it's a good way to vent, I suppose, but not much more. Better, as Steinbeck said in "The Grapes of Wrath", go stick your head in the river and scream. (paraphrased)
Your idea is a good one, using a linked name. Maybe I'll set that up, but to tell you the truth, I'm not sure it's worth it.
The question I wanted you to answer was the one I (and Dave) raised about the rise of right-wing extremism. That is, do you think it's true that - since 9/11 - more Americans have been killed by acts of right-wing American extremism than by Muslims? Remember, this conclusion comes from the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, the Global Terrorism Database maintained by the Start Center at the University of Maryland, and also from a survey of law enforcement agencies around the country. You may choose to disbelieve their conclusions, and if so, why?
:End of various thoughts for now:
Victor
I've read several times the claim of Daves that you have repeated. Yours is the first time it has been framed as a question
First I checked the source While it is from the source as you state, upon further review I question the political motivation and background of its author(s).
Interestingly no names of the right wing extremists groups nor is their definition of the terms given. So who are they talking about that they fear? The numbers claimed to have been killed by these groups, when and where have these groups murdered ?
So to directly answer your question I have serious doubts about the accuracy of these claims because for the reasons I've just listed
I have serious doubts about the accuracy of these claims
Of course he does.
I question the political motivation and background of Chuckie, for to him the Republicans are infallible, and his bubble dismisses all information not provided by his Party.
...right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
Does anybody expect Snowflake Chuckie to explain the "political motivation" of West Point!
How about that liberal socialist agenda of the Police Executive Research Forum?
These are sources cited by the authors Chuckie seems to think, without explanation, have "political motivation".
Oh, that's right. They're not FOX or Limbaugh, who clearly have no "political motivation", amirite?
ere are examples Chuckie will ignore.
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In 2012, a neo-Nazi named Wade Michael Page entered a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and opened fire, killing six people and seriously wounding three others. Mr. Page, who died at the scene, was a member of a white supremacist group called the Northern Hammerskins.
In another case, in June 2014, Jerad and Amanda Miller, a married couple with radical antigovernment views, (And part of the "Cliven Bundy Militia") entered a Las Vegas pizza restaurant and fatally shot two police officers who were eating lunch. On the bodies, they left a swastika, a flag inscribed with the slogan “Don’t tread on me” and a note saying, “This is the start of the revolution.” Then they killed a third person in a nearby Walmart.
Jim David Adkisson entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and killed two people and wounded six others during the presentation of a children’s musical.
Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, “because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets.”
Adkisson told Still that “he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office.”
Inside the house, officers found “Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder” by radio talk show host Michael Savage, “Let Freedom Ring” by talk show host Sean Hannity, and “The O’Reilly Factor,” by television talk show host Bill O’Reilly.
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Adkisson is Chuckie's kind of guy all the way.
Every one of these terrorists have the identical "political motivation" as Snowflake Chuckie, our own Right Wing terrorist supporter. He even has "serious doubts" such a thing exists!
Same with climate change. Rush and FOX are the unbiased experts, amirite?
There is no reasoning with extremists and fanatics like Snowflake Chuckie.
(I posted this as a P.S. earlier today and it was visible at first. Now I don't see it. What happened? This is about the 3rd time that a post of mine has gone away later in the day)
P.S.
Chuck said:
Are you offended by that [insults] or do I got it coming cause I disagree with liberalism and dare to say so, dare to ask questions whose answers might embarrass them? Or are you so offended by the very idea of someone questioning liberalism that you too feel I have it coming cause I'm the enemy?
My answer:
Yes, I am offended by it. And no, I don't think you deserve it b/c you disagree, nor for any other reason. Unfortunately, James' post above (which I find ugly and vile) is all too common on the internet today.
There another blog I like to read - techdirt.com - and they too have a comments section that you can use anonymously or logged in. Sometimes their content is political, too. But their comments section is nowhere near the sewer that Tom's comments section has become. As the owner has mentioned before, they do perform moderation and perhaps that helps keep the worst of it away. Yeah, it's not "total free speech" I suppose, but after all, we are like guests in someone's house (their blog) and I understand when they insist that we don't vomit on the rug.
Well Victor, I hope you see what has happened every time I've been civil in my disagreement. Or offer my answer to a question. Like I said Dave Hansen or Mozart will follow my post with something like he did above
Do you understand fire with fire?
I hope you added up the tragic number of mass murders that Dave listed
And compare that to the numbers Murdered by Islamic Terrorists. Staring with Ft Hood through Wednesday of this week
So who should we be more afraid of?
Good talking with you Victor hope we can do more of same.
I hope you added up the tragic number of mass murders that Dave listed
And compare that to the numbers Murdered by Islamic Terrorists
As I said those were examples, not a complete list. Chuckie is dishonestly distracting again.
Chuckie won't accept any numbers anyway. Snowflake Chuckie won't explain the "political motivation" of West Point!
How about that liberal socialist agenda of the Police Executive Research Forum?
Run Chuckie, run. The facts are against you. Better distract and blame some black people.
His fellow Right Wing extremists have STILL killed more Americans since 9-11 than the Muslim terrorists.
So who should we be more afraid of?
Those who think like Chuckie are as dangerous as those who think like Muslim terrorists.
I suppose we should thank Chuckie for proving correct this assessment:
They are convinced of the righteousness of their beliefs. They now have the internet and 24/7 Right Wing/Republican corporate media reinforcing these beliefs.
The first Big Lie required to support the propaganda is also what all cults do. They tell their people to trust no source of information but their own. They incessantly re-brand corporate media as "liberal media". (And like a cult, even cite the "political motivation" of West Point and Police Executive Research Forum in order to reject their information.)
"Trust us, not the evil liberal media".
Once that indoctrination is set, the rest is all downhill. The far Right propaganda machine now has immense control over what their believers think.
Hell Davy I'd just like a list of the extremely right wing groups that you claim are growing!
The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 784 active hate groups in the United States in 2014. Only organizations and their chapters known to be active during 2014 are included.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
Now explain the "political motivation" of West Point!
How about that liberal socialist agenda of the Police Executive Research Forum?
Only an asshole would refuse to return an answer.
Prove your claim
Only a liar could not support their claim
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