Thursday, September 10, 2015

The Craziness Continues....

The NRA likes me! They really like me!

 It was just one of those things
One of those crazy things
A trip to the moon on gossamer wings....
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to write. I believe that two weeks without a single posting on this site has got to be some kind of record. The last piece I wrote, on 27 August, put me in such a dismal rage that I couldn't get in the mood to write anything. The fact is, I've been mighty depressed about the whole affair. "Shit happens", as they say.

Alison Parker
A few days after writing the piece about the murders - on live television - of reporter Alison Parker and cameraman Adam Ward, I got an envelope in the mail inviting me to take part in the "ALL NEW NRA SWEEPSTAKES". That's right, folks, in the wake of the tragedy of two weeks ago (and my reaction to it) some joker out there decided to put me on the mailing list of the National  Rifle Association! Whether this person was trying to be malicious or merely humorous is hard to say. If it's the latter I can tell you that I do get the joke and appreciate it. It it's the former, well, thank you nonetheless. I take my material wherever I can get it, and I imagine that a monthly update from the NRA ought to be oodles of laughs. I look forward to reading them.
The "sweepstakes" was, in reality, a fundraiser. It contained a letter from that organization's very own uber-doofus, Wayne LaPierre, telling me why my very life depended on me being stupid enough to send him cash for my membership fee:
Remember, we're fighting powerful gun-hating politicians in Washington, DC and state legislatures....anti-gun judges....U.N. global gun ban diplomats....anti-gun billionaires....and the freedom-hating media-elite.
Their agenda includes nothing less than GUN REGISTRATION, GUN-OWNER LICENSING, GUN BANS, and other restrictions that all but obliterate our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Would someone please name for me even one "U.N. global gun ban diplomat"?  He then goes on to plead for donations - anything from $25 to $100. The hideous old freak ends his little tirade by telling me,
Unless you and I stand together it's only a matter of time before we lose our freedom, our heritage and our American way of life....
PS: And please - even though joining NRA is not required to enter the sweepstakes -  urge you to become a member of NRA at this critical moment in the history of Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
The gun crazies hate it when I do this, but here it is in its entirety:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"....the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is less than half of a much larger sentence. Have you ever noticed that whenever poor old Wayne quotes that line of the Second Amendment, he always quotes it out of context? What the heck ever happened to that "well-regulated militia" bit? Just curious.

Of course, two weeks after the first shooting homicide on live TV since Lee Harvey Oswald fifty-two years ago, the cold-blooded murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward are water under the bridge. No one's talking about legislation; no one is talking about righting this unspeakable wrong. It's like it never happened.

Go back to sleep, America.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY


A Change Is Gonna Come
by Sam Cooke

About a year after Sam consigned this eternal little gem to wax, on December 11, 1964, he was shot and killed in Los Angeles, yet another victim of America's insatiable appetite for GUNZ, BABY!

Sadly, no change is coming. Sorry.


At 5:57 PM, Anonymous John said...

So Tom, how much did you send?

...maybe you can put a negative value in the pledge amount to de-fund the NRA.

At 6:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Madison was the principal author of The Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment was included in the original twelve (two were not approved by the States) simply to quell the fears of the Anti-federalists that the creation of the new National government in 1789 was going to become the new "foreign oppressor." I find it ironic that the Second Amendment, designed to quell the fears of the Anti-federalists has ended up insulating their ignorant progeny. Today's NRA nut uses the Second Amendment (and the Tenth) to isolate itself from the National psyche. These twisted haters are not interested in the United States; they want the nexus of power to exist on a local level. Good luck with that. It is no longer 1776.
Thank you for the Sam Cooke link. That song was his crowning achievement. We are reminded that change is a long process, and not a goal.

At 4:02 AM, Blogger Cirze said...

I felt the same way, Tom.

Glad to have you back at the writing desk.

The NRA better not put me on its mailing list.

At 10:47 AM, Blogger T. Paine said...

My daughter was in a car accident because some stupid teenager thought it was okay to text and drive and thus didn't notice that she was stopped at a traffic light as he approached her at 50 mph. I think we should enact cell phone control legislation. Oh wait! My state already has. It is illegal to text and drive here. Since cell phone control didn't work, perhaps we should have a federal registry and licensing procedure so only approved drivers may also have a cell phone. If that doesn't stop these type of accidents, perhaps we should ban cell phones outright.

The fact of the matter, once again, is that a cell phone and a gun are both tools. They are inanimate objects. On their own, they are harmless. They can be useful or they can be deadly. It is the heart, intent, and level of responsibility of the user that dictates whether these tools can or will be used in a dangerous or evil way. In other words, lets stop blaming the instrument of death and destruction and instead start blaming and holding accountable those responsible for the carnage.

At 12:59 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

So the best defense against a bad guy texting is more good guys texting? ;-)

Seriously, I'm sorry about your daughter getting hit by an idiot.

Texting while driving should be treated the same as drunk driving.

At 1:02 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

Dave, thank you for your sentiments regarding my daughter, sir.

Next, no the answer is not having more good guys texting, but rather having responsible adults using the tool for the purpose it was designed in a manner and location that does not endanger other innocent people.

At 1:03 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

And I agree with you that texting while driving should absolutely be treated the same as drunk driving!

At 4:03 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

Last year I was rear ended by a young girl breaking up with her boyfriend via texting. She had a baby in the car at the time and it was a miracle they were not hurt as she totaled her car. It is now twice as dangerous to drive with drinkers and texters on the road. And there is nothing that can be done about it.

And by the way it is the 13th anniversary of The Inside Job!

At 5:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"... no the answer is not having more good guys texting, but rather having responsible adults using the tool for the purpose it was designed in a manner and location that does not endanger other innocent people.:

Mr. Paine: I'm glad you are in favor of gun safety control. Let's see you advocate for it. Full irony intended.

At 5:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Fugelsang ‏@ JohnFugelsang 3h3 hours ago
14 years ago today America was attacked by 0 Iraqis and 0 Afghans and 0 Iranians.

At 6:12 PM, Anonymous John said...

Texting is a contributing factor to the general psychological unhealthiness in society. Human interaction is being displaced by all of the electronic means of communications and occupation. I suspect that there are some people - and more now than in the past, that have virtually no human interaction. Not only that, the skills of interaction are eroding. Furthermore, the media presents an artificial depiction of glory, fame, the environment - everything...

Human interaction is an innate need within people. Without this true human contact, is it any surprise that people are behaving stranger - and despite what the pharmaceutical industry might say, there is no pill or social media that can properly substitute for this.

The texting and driving issue could be ended right now by enforcing laws that are on the books (as TPaine pointed out) using technology that already is in place and in use. But doing this would also reveal just how pervasive the spying and violation of our civil rights is. The man certainly will not want that exposure nor the added problem exacerbated by withholding the i-phone drug from the masses. So no, the government has no intention of ending the carnage on the roads - or at the end of a gun.

Orwell was spot on with the gin.

As far as arms control is concerned, capability should be limited to what was available when the bill of rights was drafted.

At 8:36 PM, Anonymous Jefferson's Guardian said...

I want everybody here on Tom's blog to remind them that Bush/Cheney coordinated the 9/11 attack 14 years!

I also believe in Area 51, Sasquatch, and man made global cooling!

At 11:54 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

You cannot get away from building 7 The smoking gun of 9/11!

At 7:40 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

The impostor Jefferson's Guardian: "I want everybody here on Tom's blog to remind them that Bush/Cheney coordinated the 9/11 attack 14 years!"

This couldn't possibly be me. My writing skills aren't reminiscent of a fifth-grader.

At 7:55 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

John: "So no, the government has no intention of ending the carnage on the roads..."

Of course not. To do so would threaten the cozy symbiotic relationship between the giant telecommunication companies and their federal government surveillance partners. Each couldn't thrive without the full and unmitigated cooperation of the other.

At 8:05 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

John Fugelsang via Anonymous: "14 years ago today America was attacked by 0 Iraqis and 0 Afghans and 0 Iranians."

There were obviously several Americans involved, at least in the cover-up. I often wonder how many Israelis.

At 12:50 PM, Anonymous James Hanson TM said...

There have been numerous studies that show the people on the left are quite literally wired differently than those on the right. In many ways, they are like small children completely unable to connect action with consequence, all they know is how they feel.

Its why you see them phrase the enforcement of our immigration laws as "hatred of brown people". For them, the story is all that matters, and not just from a political strategy standpoint. For them, the story IS their reality.

It is why it is largely a waste of time to argue with them.

At 1:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuckie "Hanson TM" has it backwards again.

Studies have also shown the far Right live in a paranoid bubble of willful ignorance. They still believe Dick Cheney is an honest man. What else do we need to know?

And there's this study:

Brain thickness determines political leaning: study

Sydney Morning Herald December 29, 2010

Self-proclaimed right-wingers had a more pronounced amygdala - a primitive part of the brain associated with emotion while their political opponents from the opposite end of the spectrum had thicker anterior cingulates.

The research was carried out by Geraint Rees director of the UCL Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience who said he was "very surprised" by the finding, which is being peer reviewed before publication next year.

"The anterior cingulate is a part of the brain that is on the middle surface of the brain at the front and we found that the thickness of the grey matter, where the nerve cells of neurons are, was thicker the more people described themselves as liberal or left wing and thinner the more they described themselves as conservative or right wing," he told the program.

"The amygdala is a part of the brain which is very old and very ancient and thought to be very primitive and to do with the detection of emotions. The right amygdala was larger in those people who described themselves as conservative.

Their irrational and innate fear is fed by their media masters and cult leaders.

"Death panels" and "Death taxes" and "terrorist fist jabs" have them quivering in their jackboots.

Nuff said.

At 5:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an idea from Australia. Make a law that says you can own any weapon you so desire but you must be a member of a state militia and the weapons must be kept in a locked armoury and only be used on offiial miltia duties. Then the oompa loopmas that sprout all this crap will be complying with their favourite thing in the world - The 2nd Amendment!

At 2:45 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Overactive fearful Reptilian brains?

A CNN/ORC poll released on Sunday found that 43 percent of people identifying as Republican think President Obama is a secret, scary Muslim. That percentage increased to 47 percent among the imbeciles who consider themselves Tea Party members.

Pro-Choice. Pro-Same Sex marriage. Pro-Women’s Rights. Drinks beer. Eats bacon.

Worst. Muslim. Ever.

What else can we expect from a cult that believes a man pushing corporate written trade agreements and oil drilling in the Arctic Ocean is “Marxist”?

Very low information voters indeed.

At 2:59 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

I don't know if Obama is a Marxist Muslim or not. I do know that he doesn't seem to favor free market capitalism and he has socialist tendencies. I know that he doesn't seem to like traditional American values and traditions. I know he is bending over backwards to ensure that Iran gets a great deal for them that frees up money and restrictions so this leading sponsor of terrorism can kill even more of our allies and Americans. I don't know if that makes him Muslim or not, but I can tell you that I certainly don't recognize his brand of Christianity that he once professed to be.

Worst. President. Ever!

At 3:59 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

As per above poll.

I know when someone says, "I know", about Obama, it usually means "I believe".

Just picture in place of Obama, we substitute the Pope, and I can see little difference.

His brand of Christianity doesn't seem to favor free market capitalism and he has socialist tendencies.

Best. Pope. Ever.

At 4:23 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

If you cannot see the difference between Pope Francis and President Obama, you are REALLY blind, my friend.

At 6:01 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

No need for a false premise.

Big differences. The similarities are being widely criticized for not favoring "free market capitalism" and having socialist tendencies, being my point.

At least the Pope is free to denounce capital punishment and torture, and the predatory nature, inequality, and corruption of "free market capitalism".

Obama must promote corporate written trade agreements and drilling for oil in the Arctic Sea. He applies his Bush/Cheney given power to drone kill as judge, jury and executioner.

The question is who are so blind to not see these differences as well as similarities.

At 9:25 PM, Blogger T. Paine said...

The real differences are that the Pope has decried crony capitalism, like the corrupt kind that Obama has engaged in throughout his administration.

The other difference is that the Pope worships the true Messiah.

Obama thinks he IS the messiah.

At 11:42 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Yeah, we know, the Muslim messiah.


At 11:54 PM, Anonymous James Hansen said...

T.P. There is hope for you yet!


At 12:09 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...


Are you still out raged, speechless over the murder of Kate Steinle?

Who created the against the law "sanctuary city" concept, liberals, conservatives or the NRA?

Who did not enforce the laws that allowed the killer of Kate Steinle to reenter our country 5 times, liberals, conservatives or the NRA?

Whose gun control laws did the killer of Kate Steinle break, liberals , conservatives or the NRA's?

Explain how not having the NRA would have saved Kate Steinle from being murdered?

Are you as worked up over that according to WHO there are over 3,000 abortions per day in the USA. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion as you are over the murder of Kate Steinel by a gun?

That's 93,000 humans murdered in their mother's womb just in the month of August, how pissed off are you about this death toll?
Is the NRA to blame for this?

At 9:00 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "I know that [Obama] doesn't seem to like traditional American values and traditions."

Mr. Paine, please share with us what you deem to be "traditional American values and traditions".

Would your list include the violating of international treaties against torture?...or the awarding of six-figure speaking fees to still non-prosecuted war criminals?...or, maybe, that all war is good, justified, and patriotic?

I'm really curious.

At 9:18 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "The real differences are that the Pope has decried crony capitalism, like the corrupt kind that Obama has engaged in throughout his administration."

Which causes me to ask...why do you honor and follow the Republican Party, or for that matter, just about any current so-called conservative? Obama's support of crony capitalism is no different than the conservative brand, is it? If you view each as mutually exclusive than it's a dichotomy that I'm not seeing. Please share.

At 10:55 AM, Blogger T. Paine said...

Jefferson's Guardian, first of all, I am NOT a Republican. They are only a shade better than the damned Democrats. I have many issues with George W. Bush too. He was NOT a conservative president by any means. That said, as poor as he was, he was still significantly better than this ass-hat who is in there now. If the congressional Republicans had a spine and took their oath to the Constitution seriously, they would have impeached Obama long ago for his violations of that same constitution.

You do realize that Republicans and conservatives are seldom the same thing these days, right?

I wonder if we will ever get a president, let alone a congress, that actually abides by our constitution ever again. Based on the apathy and ignorance of the voters who seem to be championing a corrupt Hillary, an old self-avowed socialist, and an idiot blow-hard entertainer billionaire, I guess the answer would be "no".

I am curious (although I suspect I know) who you are categorizing as a war criminal though?

And yes, I do agree that the most Republicans were guilty of crony capitalism too. Obama is simply more brazen about it.

At 11:25 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...


Watched an interesting program on the Smithsonian channel last week.

Completely debunked the 9-11 was an inside job theory's.

I share this with you as you should know that JG is a BIG believer in the theory that 9-11 was an onside job set up by the US govt to provide an excuse for going to war vs Iraq. You know to make Chaney rich, etc...

This program makes the 9-11 insider crowd look like a part of the Area 51, black helicopters, GHWB flew to Paris on a Blackbird crowd.

And to think, they mock Christians for their beliefs!

At 11:39 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuckie is brilliant. He cites a source funded by the federal government that supports the federal government's narrative.

Just like Hannity saying Rupert Murdoch is honest.

Amazing. Low information voters like him still think Obama is a Marxist Muslim, liberals are destroying America, corporate media is "liberal media" and there's an international conspiracy of evil climate scientists.


At least TP agrees Bush is a liar, if not for lies about Saddam in cahoots with al-Qaeda, or the lie to congress about aluminum tubes for “a nukular” weapons program, then the odd lie that a man pushing tax dollars to “faith based charities”( aka only Christian churches) and wishing to privatize Social Security claimed to be conservative.

Go figure.

It’s not just Pope Francis:

"It is alarming to see hotbeds of tension and conflict caused by growing instances of inequality between rich and poor, by the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated financial capitalism."

"The creation of ethical structures for currency, financial and commercial markets is also fundamental and indispensable. These must be stabilized and better coordinated and controlled so as not to prove harmful to the very poor."

Pope Benedict XVI December 28, 2012

The declaration, “the Pope has decried crony capitalism, like the corrupt kind that Obama has engaged in” is entirely TP’s personal ideological spin on the Pope’s message.

Nowhere has the Pope make any reference to “Obama” or even “crony capitalism”, code words for Solyndra ™ .

No, the Pope was not condemning government support for solar power.

He explicitly decried “trickle down” pitched as “supply side” by Reaganites.

"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down, so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory." - David Stockman 1981

Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion.

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed.

While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules.

- Pope Francis 2013

Note the word “tyranny”, and it’s not referring to regulation of commerce, taxing the rich, or Obamacare.

Meanwhile the authoritarian cult leader Limbaugh proclaims, “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. There's no such -- "unfettered capitalism"? That doesn't exist anywhere.”
So the question is, who does TP agree with? The Pope or Limbaugh?

He’ll have spin like a top on this one.

Best. Pope. Ever.

At 11:55 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine "They are only a shade better than the damned Democrats."

Well, only because they've had a lot more time to practice their craft. Republicans have historically been in the pockets of big business. It's a relatively new game for Democrats.

" poor as he was, [Bush] was still significantly better than this ass-hat who is in there now."

Better at what?..violating the Constitution of the United States -- not to mention international treaties?

"You do realize that Republicans and conservatives are seldom the same thing these days, right?"

Fair question. Yes, I think so, but you'll have to point out how they're not. And you do realize that Democrats and liberals are most assuredly not the same thing these days, right?

"I wonder if we will ever get a president, let alone a congress, that actually abides by our constitution ever again."

Well, certainly not until we get a congress that outlaws corporate personhood, a president who signs the bill into law, and a Supreme Court that overturns any challenges. So, in answer to your question, probably not.

"...voters who seem to be championing a corrupt Hillary, an old self-avowed socialist..."

I believe you're confusing who's the "self-avowed socialist", because recent polls show the people championing the actual one.

Hillary...a socialist? Dream on. She's as big a corporatist as they come. So was her husband. That's why the powers-that-be and the mainstream media love her. She's typically status quo, from the military-industrial-surveillance complex, to income inequality. Like you! I'm surprised you're not an ardent supporter!

"I am curious (although I suspect I know) who you are categorizing as a war criminal though?"

Well, of course, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neocons driving foreign policy in this country -- back then, and still.

"I do agree that the most Republicans were guilty of crony capitalism too. Obama is simply more brazen about it."

Once again...of course! He's the lead dog! That stands to reason. If you were honest with me (not to mention yourself), you'd agree that Bush before him was as brazen, if not more, than who's in the White House right now.

But I wouldn't expect that from you.

At 2:17 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

No Davy,

if you were to liberally open your mind and look into the program I spoke about instead of attacking the source, ( a oft used method of yours ) you would discover that there were TWO different scientists, from TWO different countries who independently came up with the same reason why the "9-11 was an inside job believers" are nut jobs.

But what the heck that might challenge your current beliefs. And really, it's a lot more revolutionary to believe that 9-11 was an inside job.
Isn't that right?

I am not a Roman Catholic.
Thank you, I am brilliant!

At 2:42 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...


It's like your bel3if that Planned Parenthood is NOT selling baby body parts.
It doesn't matter what you are provided with that shows your wrong, nothing is going to change your "liberal" mind.

"The 10th video by The Center for Medical Progress features several top-level Planned Parenthood executives discussing the organization’s secretive practices around aborted fetal parts harvesting. The video includes comments from Deborah VanDerhei, the National Director of the organization’s Consortium of Abortion Providers, describing the harvesting of fetal body parts as “donation for remuneration.”

In the first video: Dr. Deborah Nucatola of Planned Parenthood commented on baby-crushing: “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”
In the second video: Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Mary Gatter joked, “I want a Lamborghini” as she negotiated the best price for baby parts.
In the third video: Holly O’Donnell, a former Stem Express employee who worked inside a Planned Parenthood clinic, detailed first-hand the unspeakable atrocities and how she fainted in horror over handling baby legs.
In the fourth video: Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Savita Ginde stated, “We don’t want to do just a flat-fee (per baby) of like, $200. A per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.” She also laughed while looking at a plate of fetal kidneys that were “good to go.”
In the fifth video: Melissa Farrell of Planned Parenthood-Gulf Coast in Houston boasted of Planned Parenthood’s skill in obtaining “intact fetal cadavers” and how her “research” department “contributes so much to the bottom line of our organization here, you know we’re one of the largest affiliates, our Research Department is the largest in the United States.”
In the sixth video: Holly O’Donnell described technicians taking fetal parts without patient consent: “There were times when they would just take what they wanted. And these mothers don’t know. And there’s no way they would know.”
In the seventh and perhaps most disturbing video: Holly O’Donnell described the harvesting, or “procurement,” of organs from a nearly intact late-term fetus aborted at Planned Parenthood Mar Monte’s Alameda clinic in San Jose, CA. “‘You want to see something kind of cool,’” O’Donnell says her supervisor asked her. “And she just taps the heart, and it starts beating. And I’m sitting here and I’m looking at this fetus, and its heart is beating, and I don’t know what to think.”
In the eighth video: StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer admits Planned Parenthood sells “a lot of” fully intact aborted babies.
The ninth video: catches a Planned Parenthood medical director discussing how the abortion company sells fully intact aborted babies — including one who “just fell out” of the womb.

At 3:41 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

If noting a source is funded by the federal government AND supports the federal government's narrative is an “attack”, then poor Chuckie must be paranoid indeed.

Of course, facts are always seen as “attacks” on far Right ideology. Chuckie proves this all the time. All that matters are beliefs. And they get mad when their false beliefs are debunked.

“TWO scientists”.

Well, then who can argue against “TWO scientists”? Unless it’s thousands of climate scientists. That would be the international conspiracy of evil climate scientists. Amirite?

I wonder if we can find two architects, or engineers who doubt the government narrative on 9-11?

Only 2,350 so far:

Yes, but how many scientists?

So far 78 have signed on to:

But what do they know about planes?

I lost count of the pilots:

Does Chuckie know the 9-11 Panel suspected deception by the Pentagon?

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

Chuckie prefers to believe without question the same Big Government that otherwise represents so much evil. Figures.

So Chuckie’s edited secret videos show evidence of crimes? Well, why are there no prosecutions? Oh, right, they were deceptively edited.

PP doesn’t sell tissue for profit. It is illegal. Period.

If something is provided at cost it is not for profit. I thought cons were supposed to be good at business.

Another myth.

At 4:44 PM, Anonymous John said...

I'm often amazed by people defending the notions of 'free market'. There is no such thing. The economic playing field is totally rigged in favor of the wealthy. This is nothing new nor does it require any intellectual leap to understand why one of the things wealth is invested in is ensuring that this remains true.

The champions of the 'free market' and deregulation have friends - but if you are not rich, you are not one of them...

At 5:15 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Gee Davy, you support the govt funded studies supporting man caused climate change.

As I said before, the two scientists were not funded by any govt.

Must be miserable having to be right all the time, I feel sorry fore you Davy.
When you want be a real liberal and open to all ides, you might want to watch the program.

If not, your ignorance must be bliss for you.

P.S. Planned Parenthood seems to differ with your claim when they are recorded .

BTW no big govt funding behind those videos. Watch them some time if you really are an open minded liberal.

At 5:36 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

I gather Chuckie’s documentary is this one described by the Washington Post:

Smithsonian Channel is going behind-the-scenes to recall the events and decisions of September 11, 2001. The cable channel has prepared “9/11: Day That Changed the World” through interviews with Laura Bush, Dick Cheney, Rudy Giuliani and Donald Rumsfeld.

The program starts at dawn and continues through midnight. President George W. Bush started the day with a jog in Sarasota, Fla., and soon his day changed into hours of horror, extraordinary action and historic decisions. Andrew Card, the chief of staff who told Bush about the first plane crashing into the World Trade Tower, is also interviewed.

Plus TWO, count ‘em, TWO, scientists. Well, then.

No wonder this is the story Chuckie believes. It’s the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld version.

What else need we know?

At 6:22 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

You ASSumed wrong Davy.

No Presidents, no wives, no Andrew Card.

What are you afraid of Davy, the truth?

Sure looks like it.

Liberalism, a sure sign of a closes mind.

At 9:54 PM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck Morre: "When you want be a real liberal and open to all ides, you might want to watch the program."

Despite your broken "Pigeon English", I figured out what you wrote. Yeah, lay it on me...what's the name of the program?

At 10:27 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

It's funny that Chuckie mentions this program four times and never the title. And somehow two scientists clear it all up.

Chuckie believes what he see's on TV but can't seem to recall details. More "Liberal media" (TM) for ya.

As we eagerly anticipate Chuckie possibly sharing his knowledge, it's a good think we liberals are open to all ides.

At 12:48 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

JG, Davy,

Did one of you two liberals tell me to get off my ass and google it when I asked for sources? Just saying.

For super smart liberals you sure seem to lack the basic IQ needed to find a program without having to ask a conservative. Wasn't there a recent post here that claimed the brains of conservatives were smaller than liberals?

Sad thing about this is it's just another example of how the left becomes fixated on conspiracy's when they discredit capitalism, conservatism or the American Constitution.

Come you crazy liberal brainyacts, do some work for once and find it. It's on the Smithsonian Channel's website. It will mean so much more to you if you work for it instead of having it given to you. Ask Tom, he knows the value of work.


JG, did you understand Davy's broken "Pigeon English" when he wrote "it's a good think we liberals are open to all ides."?

At 9:06 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

"it's a good think we liberals are open to all ides."

For the dense, it was a play on Chuckie's "When you want be a real liberal and open to all ides"

At 9:36 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

That's a likely story Davy.

At 10:27 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

You want us to follow your brilliant example, right?

At 11:08 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

So Chuckie can't name the "program", let alone the two, count 'em two, scientists who have all the answers.

Is it the same "program" that tells Chuckie Obama is a Marxist Kenyan Muslim and Saddam and al-Qaeda were in cahoots? Maybe it was on the "Saddam's Nukular Aluminum Tubes" program.

Or the "Take my word for it, by Dick Cheney" program.

I think he's hallucinating again.

At 2:23 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...


You are a very sad little person.
Fact is you are either too dumb or too lazy to find the program with out the help from conservative.

At 3:09 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

We can only imagine why the "brilliant" con-servative is unable to identify the program and why he is unable to give details.

All he can do is demand others go seek what he imagines to be the answers.

How weak can a case be presented?

I gave multiple links to sources that refute his imaginary "two scientists".

He offers nothing.

It's about character, amirite? Or would that be his overactive reptilian amygdala and less developed anterior cingulate?

How con-servative of him. But as we all know, IOKIYAR.

At 3:44 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

You are a hoot Davy, I give you everything you need to find the broadcast which shows 9-11 conspiracy believers are nut cases and you lack the ability to check it out for your self. Sorry if it wasn't noted on the Daily Koz, or Mother Jones.

My advise is for you to shut up until you watch the broadcast in question instead of doing your typical character assassination tactic:

"It's about character, amirite? Or would that be his overactive reptilian amygdala and less developed anterior cingulate?

How con-servative of him. But as we all know, IOKIYAR." Who is "we" Davy, got a frog in your pocket?

But that is all your really have isn't it Davy? And this shows you for what you really are. A internet bully.

At 3:59 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

My advise is for you to shut up until you watch the broadcast in question instead of doing your typical character assassination tactic:

Gotta love the projection from a true bully here. But IOKIYAR, amirite?

So what broadcast is he babbling about? Still nothing offered.

I'd better do as I'm told and shut up. Otherwise the authoritarian bully might get even more angry.

Could it be his overactive reptilian amygdala and less developed anterior cingulate again?

It must not be easy being Right, far Right, all the time. They are so angry at liberals, Mexicans, and blacks for destroying America, how can they be expected to be reasonable?

Oops. Gotta shut up, as commanded now.

At 5:54 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Tired of trading insults with you Davy, live in ignorance, it's your choice.

At 6:02 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuckie, thanks for one more sample of your projection.

At 8:29 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

You are very welcome Davy, you're a wonderful teacher.

At 9:59 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Oh, Davy,
Are you ready yet to tell me if you believe what Jesus said about himself?


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