Saturday, September 28, 2013

Green Eggs and Scam


Say! I like green eggs and ham
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!

-Theodor Seuss Geisel - AKA: Doctor Seuss

“Do we want the IRS determining whether our mother lives or dies?”

-Ted Cruz

Them Death Panels is gonna git'cha, Granny!
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Dr. Seuss
Ted Cruz's "filibuster" this week wasn't a filibuster in the technical sense of the word, but that's the term we'll use to suit our purposes here. For twenty-one solid hours this bloviating twit talked and talked about everything from Nazi Germany to White Castle hamburgers. But the icing on the cake came when he trotted out a copy of the classic children's book by Doctor Seuss, Green Eggs and Ham. That was where I was able to discover that Ted and I have some common ground. On the floor of the senate he said that he loves to read his daughters the timeless words of Dr. Seuss. Although I never had children of my own, there's not a lot that has given me more joy over the years than the opportunity to read any of these books to my nieces and nephews or the children of my friends. 

And I still, to this day, read Dr. Seuss' books to them - even though most of these kids are now in their twenties. It's always a bit awkward but they're good sports about it.  They like to humor me.

But of all of the books by the good doctor that Ted Cruz could have read in the senate chambers on Tuesday evening, the irony of using Green Eggs and Ham must have gone right over the senator's head. I'm not the first one to point this out either.

As you may remember, the gentle plot of Green Eggs and Ham revolved around a guy named "Sam-I-Am" who is trying to get his narrow-minded and uptight friend to try something new:

Do you like them in a house?
Do you like them with a mouse? 

I do not like them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am!


Finally, by the book's end, this knucklehead (out of nothing more than sheer exasperation) relents and takes a bite out of the dish of green eggs and ham that Sam-I-Am has been imploring him to try - and he loves it! Replace the words "green eggs and ham" with "Obamacare":

Hi, Ted! My name's Barry Fair!
Would you like Obamacare? 

I would not like Obamacare
I would not like it, Barry-Fair

Would you like it in a jar?
Would you like it in a car?

I would not like it in a jar
I would not like it in a car
I would not like Obamacare
I would not like it, Barry-Fair

Would you like it cut in two?
Would you like it painted blue?

Not cut in two
Not painted blue
Not in a jar
Not in a car
I would not like Obamacare
I would not like it, Barry-Fair!

Would you like it in a song?
Would you like it in a bong?

I would not like it in a song
I would not like it in a bong
Not cut in two
Not painted blue
Not in a jar
Not in a car
I would not like Obamacare
I would not like it, Barry-Fair!  

Would you like it on the grass?
Would you like it up your....

Okay, I got a little carried away there - but you get the idea. It's a pretty safe bet that once the American people get a good taste of the Affordable Care Act, a lot of the doubters will be having a change of heart. 

I do so like Obamacare!
Oh, thank you, THANK YOU, Barry-Fair! 

The funniest thing about Ted Cruz's nearly day-long tirade was the fact that when his time was up, he proceeded to vote for funding the very thing he had been wailing against all through the day and all through the night. Credit must be given where credit is due; he's at least smart enough to know that if the government shuts down, he'll be able to say to his half-witted constituency that he's blameless and - of course - most of them will believe him. What is it about Texas?

The House Republicans ought to be really careful what they wish for. If they're successful in shutting down the government in the next week (and there are a lot of people who say that it's going to happen) it will merely be yet another nail in their own coffin. I've been saying that the GOP is a party that will disappear within ten years. Let me revise that: If the government ceases to operate on October the first, they'll be gone in less than five. One of their talking  points this week is this:

WE CANNOT ALLOW THE PRESIDENT TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

Please. They're not fooling anybody - or at least they're not fooling those of us with an IQ above room temperature. That would be most of us....um....I think

Joe McCarthy 1908-1957
It would seem to me that Ted Cruz wants to be the modern-day incarnation of Joe McCarthy. It's certainly fair to say that no one has made more of a spectacle of himself in Washington than Teddy Boy since Tail Gunner Joe passed from the scene on May 2, 1957. He has so many McCarthy-like mannerisms that it's a bit eerie to behold. Take for example the confirmation hearings for Chuck Hagel a few months ago. Do you remember that instant when Ted accused Chuck of somehow being in cahoots with the North Koreans? That was pure Joe McCarthy - with every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed! Making mindless and unsubstantiated accusations against one's political enemies was something that old Joe specialized in. Although he had been mercifully dead for almost fourteen years by the time Ted Cruz was born in December of 1970, it is more-than-obvious that the Texas senator has learned from the master. 

In the nearly fifty-seven years since McCarthy's death there have been scores of Joe wannabes polluting the halls of congress. No one has come closer to hitting the mark than Senator Cruz. Somewhere old Joe must be smiling.

Ted Cruz's performance on Tuesday and Wednesday was nothing more than a pathetic attempt to impress the Tea Party base. As you're probably aware, he has every intention of making a run for that big white house on Pennsylvania Avenue in 2016. Although he has no chance of winning (in fact I predict that there will never again be a Republican elected to the presidency) his presence on the national campaign trail ought to be enough to keep us all rolling in the aisles for a better part of a year. Do you remember what an absolute scream the 2012 GOP primaries were? This next one is going to be beautiful.

We really are blessed to be living in such interesting times, aren't we? Somebody pinch me!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY 

Bob Shrum
SUGGESTED READING:

No Excuses - Concessions of a Serial Campaigner 
by Robert Shrum

Anyone who's ever seen or heard Bob Shrum being interviewed knows that he always has an interesting take on the political situation. This memoir covers forty years at the center of the action. He's worked on every Democratic presidential campaign going all the way back to Bobby Kennedy's in  1968. A fantastic read. 

AFTERTHOUGHT, 12:30 PM:

Would you like it with a pig?
Would you like it on a twig? 

I would not like it with a pig
I would not like it on a twig
I would not like it in a song
I would not like it in a bong
Not cut in two
Not painted blue
Not in a jar
Not in a car
I would not like Obamacare
I would not like it, Barry-Fair! 
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I'm sorry, I could go on for hours.

UPDATE, 10/1/13, 9:32AM:

It's a done deal. At the stroke of midnight the government was shut down.

56 Comments:

At 10:39 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

How small of you Tom, to question an other person's IQ because they are not liberal. That's the 2nd card in the liberal deck, (after the race card), the "liberals are much smarter than conservatives' card.

A dumb position to take when you have Sharpton, Jackson, Pelosi, and Kerry as examples of liberal spokes persons.

 
At 10:43 AM, Anonymous Sister Sally said...

Well, Chuckie Boy, you just can't hande the truth, can you?

 
At 11:01 AM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

Would that be my sister Sally?

Sorry, Chuck, but anyone who would see Ted Cruz as a rational and substantive representative is either idiotic or not paying attention - or insane.

 
At 11:36 AM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Imagine that. A Republican quoting a guy out to "destroy America".

Seems the narrow minds don't understand Dr. Suess was a liberal.

A narrow mind, even with a high IQ, is closed to reality.

So "ignorant racists" who believe liberals are destroying
America resent the "IQ card".

Wonder why... ;-)

Maybe it has something to do with how they resent teachers teaching stuff they don't like or understand. Stuff like the world is older than a few thousand years.

 
At 12:08 PM, Blogger De_Bill said...

“Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” -John Stuart Mill

Cruz is far from stupid, but he sure knows his audience.

 
At 12:27 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

2nd card in the liberal deck, (after the race card)

"You know, racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left." – Rush Limbaugh

Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates? "He's a racist," Mr. Limbaugh said. "He's an angry racist." Sonja Sotomayor? "She's a bigot. She's a racist," Mr. Limbaugh said.

President Obama? He's "the biggest reverse racist in history." On another occasion: "How do you get promoted in a Barack Obama administration? By hating white people."

 
At 12:39 PM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

Well, heck, if Rush Limbaugh says it, it must be true!

 
At 1:10 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

My dog Bojangles would be able to sniff out the Tea Baggers who comment here.

Excellent piece, Mr. Degan.

 
At 1:33 PM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

Thank you, Leslie.

You're right, Dave Dubta. According to Wikipedia:

"Geisel was a liberal Democrat and a supporter of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal. His early political cartoons show a passionate opposition to fascism, and he urged action against it both before and after the United States entered World War II. His cartoons portrayed the fear of communism as overstated, finding greater threats in the House Un-American Activities Committee and those who threatened to cut the US "life line"[29] to Stalin and the USSR, whom he once depicted as a porter carrying 'our war load'"

I never knew!

 
At 2:00 PM, Anonymous objective man said...

Tom you're a divisive hate monger. I used to be a liberal, attitudes like your's turned me into a libertarian. Obamacarre does not benefit the working class, less than 2% of the population will receive any subsidy, but all those who dot receive a subsidy will be forced to buy something they already can NOT afford or pay more taxes. The bill benefits the insurance companies and the government, nobody else. Explain to me how someone earning $35K a year will be able to afford a $400 a month HMO?? If you stopped looking at this as "R" vs "D".. MAYBE you would get it. and no as someone on neither the left or right, find conservatives to be slightly more interesting. Liberals at this point watch MSNBC and recite it, thinking the are so brilliant... As a former liberal, I will tell you YOU ARE NOT. Get your head out of the sky, you're not that brilliant because you love the government and Democrats. It makes you a sheep, not a thinker

 
At 2:07 PM, Anonymous hatefulRIGHTmorehatefulLEFT said...

and America is waking up to small minded sheep like you and the left-right paradigm. You will be all alone clinging to a political party, as we unite against government tyranny.
I see more hate from the left than the right... FACTS. Your side has become worse than he right.
You are a hateful, sad little man. How dare you wave an American flag, you hate your fellow Americans (the VAST majority) who are not brainwashed MSNBC watching DNC sheep

 
At 2:11 PM, Anonymous objective man said...

Ever notice how most mass murderers are liberal Obama lovers as of late?

Ft Hood.... registered Democrat
Colorodo Batman movie killer.... worked for OBama campaign in 2008

Adam Lanza..... self professed "progressive" who hated Christians

DC shooter: Obama supporter and Liberal

the left fills their flock up with irrational hate, often resultig in mass killings. Don't let libs anywhere near a firearm.. YOu can see the results

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

WELL I NEVER!

 
At 2:24 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

small minded sheep like you and the left-right paradigm. You will be all alone clinging to a political party, as we unite against government tyranny.

Yeah Tom, you liberals are out to destroy America, cuz you are the hateful ones. LOL!

Someone must never have heard of FOX(R) or Limbaugh.

Sounds like an "objective voice" of corporatocracy, the "libertarian" dream. So if there's no "left/right" then that leaves economic elites imposing their will over the majority. And they have their self-identified "objective" cheerleaders.

GO BIG MONEY! Rah, rah! Save us from the government. Only you know what's best for the rest of us.

 
At 2:35 PM, Anonymous governmentISthe PROBLEM said...

Government props us the elite.... You're the cheerleader of the elite if you identify with main line Democrats and Republicans

the government creates everything you rail against. That's the irony... The elite are laughing at you and your loyalty to one of their brands. Liberal=shill for the insurance industry, Goldman/Sachs.... Republican=shill for oil companies and other industries. Libs are shills for the finance and banking complex.... You're no different than the mainline Republicans you hate so much... LOL.. YOu wil NEVER get it..

you have no clue as to what libertarians are about..
WE support real money... you support the Fed... You're a useful idiot....
And Fox news... what is this 2003?? The people are sik of your brand now, GOP bashing was 2003..... Get a clue

 
At 2:52 PM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

I take it by the tone of that note that you're inferring that I am a Democrat. I am not - and haven't been one in many years. I left the Dems because they forgot a long time ago that they are
(or were) the party of progressive politics. I'm sure you would agree.

Cheers!

 
At 3:07 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Tom,

You're the cheerleader of the elite if you identify with main line Democrats and Republicans

And "shills for the insurance companies".

LOL! Right, cuz corpo-dem Max Baucus steered us away from Medicare for all to "wealthcare for insurance companies". Yeah like Romney the Great Liberal.

He's made up his narrow mind. He's unable to see the corporatist nature of D's, R's and the so called "libertarians".

Money talks. Money rules.
and money brainwashes the "objective "thinkers".

 
At 3:12 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

And Fox news... what is this 2003?? The people are sik (sic) of your brand now, GOP bashing was 2003

Looks like 2013 GOP defending to me.

Try as they may, Righties cannot disguise their true nature.

Bet he thinks corporate media is the "liberal media" too.

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger Jerry Mc Kenna said...

I think Cruz was a jack ass, but I am worried about the Affordable Care Act. My wife and I don't make much money. Her business brings in about 25k after taxes, I make about 1200 or less a month now. There is no way given what information is available today for us to pay for any insurance plan. The law is a subsidy for the for profit health insurance industry. We need to take profit out of health care and come up with a single payer system.

 
At 5:28 PM, Anonymous Progressive Utopian Dreamer said...

I just want my green eggs and ham to be free! No skin off my ass if someone else has to work for my dream. Why work if you don't have to thanks to the new progressive policies?

 
At 6:52 PM, Anonymous Barn Stormer said...

If the AHA (a.k.a Obamacare) is such a great deal, then how come we are being forced to sign up for it? If it is such a smart plan, how come Unions want wavers excluding their members from having to sign up for it?

If the people who wrote are so liberal smart, how come it is not ready to roll into action on time?
If the AHA is not a liberal policy then why would liberals attack those who oppose it?

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

BS,
First, Obamacare was not "liberal smart".

Romney implemented what was a GOP plan to begin with.

If the AHA is not a liberal policy then why would liberals attack those who oppose it?

Here, here! I too opposed the "Wealthcare over healthcare" AHA from the beginning.

I'm with Jerry. We need a single payer system. It is the only sane and compassionate, not to mention cheaper and better outcomes, solution.

Hey, Righties! Why don't YOU tell us what YOUR sane and compassionate healthcare system would be?

Here's your chance to share your "conservative smart" ideas.


 
At 7:53 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

PUD,
Love the initials you and BS have.

Well done! Ya sure done showed us welfare-bum-wanna-be's what yer "conservative smart" brain done figgered out.

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger Jerry Mc Kenna said...

The lower part of the population's earnings have dropped in recent years. I cannot imagine how anyone expects people who have nothing left to save to find an additional 5,000 dollar a year to pay for health insurance. It isn't there. Making them pay a fine for being poor is fucking nuts.

 
At 9:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So again Dave, if single payer is such a grand idea, how come you are pissed at those who oppose Obama Care?

Is it because it's enactment will drive insurance company's out of business and led us into single payer?

Wouldn't it follow that a liberal man as smart as you would join those who oppose AHA?

Your anger at those opposed to Obama care makes no sense if you really don't like it. My enemy's enemy is my friend.

Why do you waste your energy raging at conservatives who agree with you that Obama Care is a train wreck in progress? Is out of habit?

Explain?


Hey Barn Stormer, that was a pretty good song you linked to!

 
At 9:35 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

how come you are pissed at those who oppose Obama Care?

Who said I was pissed? You are mistaken. I have nothing to explain.

Now, then. Stop asking questions for once and answer one.

Why don't YOU tell us what YOUR sane and compassionate healthcare system would be? I promise I won't get pissed.

 
At 11:56 PM, Blogger edwin_ said...

upon seeing Cruz's speech ,I instantly thought of this scene from Sunset Boulevard :

GILLIS' VOICE
I pegged him as slightly
cuckoo, too. A stroke maybe.
Come to think of it, the
whole place seemed to have
been stricken with a kind of
creeping paralysis, out of
beat with the rest of the
world, crumbling apart in
slow motion ...

 
At 8:54 AM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

What the Righties, in all their infinite misguided wisdom forget is that the ACA (not AHA) is modeled after the plan put forth by the Heritage Foundation (not exactly a liberal stronghold)in 1993 and was then introduced by Bob Dole and Orrin Hatch in that same year. And according to a guest blogger at my site (a retired physician), Romneycare is an exact scale model.

I see the fright wing spouting all the usual paranoid myths here about the unions and whatnot, all of which has been discounted repeatedly by authoritative sources but simply too numerous to go into here. But hell, what are facts anyway, if you have to believe them? It's much more fun to be all skeert.

 
At 9:07 AM, Anonymous Pete said...

They should get rid of the debt ceiling all together. It serves no purpose requiring congress to approve borrowing when they've already approved the taxing and spending that required the borrowing. Its just going to lead to credit downgrade and higher interest rates on debt.

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Dr. Seuss said...

ObamaCare is a pig with lipstick!

 
At 10:04 AM, Anonymous Confused Progressive said...

This is really too easy: President Obama is willing to negotiate with Iran, but not with the House of Representatives. Commentators have been all over it, and I don’t really have much to add. Except to note that not only has Obama refused to negotiate with the House, he has also had his spokesman describe Republicans as suicide bombers. The irony is rich: those who are concerned about $17 trillion in debt “have bombs strapped to their chests,” while the world’s biggest sponsor of actual suicide bombers–you know, the ones who blow people up, as opposed to disagreeing with Democrats–are newly-discovered moderates.

 
At 10:57 AM, Blogger edwin_ said...

I is funny to see the " Confused Progressive " make a mockery of the administration's successful attempts to mend the relationship with Iran that was caused by the many Conservative screw-up in the past:
-Nixon installing the Shaw that led to the hostage taking
-Reagan negotiating with the hostage takers to win the election
- Iran-Contra
Always interesting

 
At 11:26 AM, Anonymous Confused Progressive said...

Edwin,

You are right. Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and his new American approach to the Arab-Muslim world has led to bliss and harmony in the Middle East.

 
At 12:22 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

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At 12:24 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

President Obama is willing to negotiate with Iran, but not with the House of Representatives

Never mind peace treaties are negotiated between antagonists.

What were their exact words again?

"Hell, NO!"

You know when a post starts with an outright LIE, it will be funny.

Confused, but not progressive.

Yeah, the House GOP has been all about negotiating and compromise...Now they once again hold America's economy hostage, threatening another lower credit rating, and demanding a ransom. Their way or the highway. Remember how great that worked out last time?

Why don't they tell us what THEIR sane and compassionate healthcare system would be?

Time to change the subject we see. Next comes the commie calling. So much for their "conservative smart" ideas. LOL!

What a cult.

 
At 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave,

Explain how Obama care is " sane and compassionate"?

Do you recall when the Dem's threaten to shut down the all mighty, cant live with out Federal Govt when Bush was in office?

Brother, have you been drinking from the kool aid cup of BIG GOVERNMENT way too long!!

 
At 12:41 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

One...more...time...slowly...for the cult.

Did I say Obamacare is the sane and compassionate alternative to healthcare?

Take a minute to see, if you are able.

No. I did not.

So what DID I say would be the sane and compassionate healthcare system? Having trouble seeing?

Still no answer from the "conservative smart" crew. Anybody surprised? LOL!!

Dem's threaten to shut down the government?

Looks like you are hallucinating from your koolade again.

 
At 6:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave

No more times Dave, no more times. Not for you.

I've seen how you work from your past posts. Here let's make this easy for both of us.

What was wrong with old system and how is Obama care is fixing it? If it's so good,why do Unions want out of it and others are being forced to sign get into it?

 
At 6:49 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

I've seen how you work from your past posts.

You should by now, Chuckie.

And we see how you work. You don't answer questions but demand answers.

We've told you Obamacare is recycled Republican ideas.

You still have not told us what your sane and compassionate healthcare system would be.

 
At 6:56 PM, Blogger Modusoperandi said...

Dave Dubya "Why don't they tell us what THEIR sane and compassionate healthcare system would be?"
The GOP has a plan. It's not much. Which is fine because, like the Individual Mandate they put forward during the Hilarycare debate, they have no little to no intention of doing it.


Anonymous "What was wrong with old system and how is Obama care is fixing it?"
1. Healthcare costs rising faster than anything else.
2. Uninsurable.
3. The poor. (And the working poor)

1. Mild attempts to "bend the cost curve" (eg: the standards and transparency provided by the public exchanges which, apples to apples, works, as in California).
2. Individual Mandate, providing larger pool which lowers costs of not refusing those with preexisting conditions.
3. Raised Medicaid limit (now opt-in by state, unfortunately).

"If it's so good,why do Unions want out of it..."
1. Service Employees International Union (and other low wage jobs) having issues with it because they're low wage/high turnover jobs, and changing mini-meds to real coverage is a big change (McDonald's typical mini-med, for example, cost $700/year for a capped $2,000 of coverage, and can't meet medical loss ratio requirements).
2. Other unions annoyed with the "Cadillac tax" (where coverage above about ten grand annually taxed at 40%, for the coverage above that limit), because it's taxing a perk. In a rational country, this non-monetary benefit (which was initially offered to get around wage controls way, way, back in the day, if memory serves) would either be reexamined to find whether or not the additional cost equalled additional coverage, whether slightly higher deductibles are worth the perks while lowering the cost, or would be renegotiated as pay. In this one, however, it makes the Right, and I can't stress this enough, pretend to fight for unions. Which is pretty bizarre.

"...and others are being forced to sign get into it?"
Huh?

 
At 6:57 PM, Anonymous Jay said...

Tom,

I'm disappointed you didn't get more into policy on ACA. I sort of rely on your to be my "policy-wonk" of sorts. Even after all this time, I still have confusion about Obamacare.

We were supposed to all turn into Smurfs who worship Stalin. Crosses would spin and the elderly would be marched off to the gas chambers or some silly shit.

Here's what I know:

After many years of managing non-profits, ever year since 2004 we saw double-digit increases in our premiums. The plans didn't get better. I went from an agency that could cover 100% of an individual's health premium to requiring the employee to pay 33%.

I tinkered with co-pays--all the usual stuff to try and keep prices down and still wound up there.

To me, the health companies were making bank! I don't know how an aspirin or an ace bandage increases in price 17% from year to the next, but I can tell you I see CDPHP ads everywhere.

We were told, the high cost of health care was due to abuses in the system--non-payments and people not using their insurance correctly. ACA was to force those without coverage to get coverage, in turn prices would drop due to competition.

I've seen the ACA prices and I have no idea what the GOP is crying about. It isn't exactly cheap insurance.

So why is the GOP crying? The "takers" are being made to contribute. This law only affects those who don't have health insurance. Nothing is really changing for them.

Are they just pissed off other people might live?

I've tried to understand the conservative view point on this but they are all over the map.

They tell me: The plan isn't as good as Congress'. So I ask if they think there should be more coverage? I'm told no.

The plan is too expensive for the poeple who it is designed for! So I ask if the premiums should be lowered. I'm told no.

The plan is a hand-out! I remind them people have to pay. I'm told it's "socialism." I remind them so is worker's comp.

Aside from the fact that Obama pushed this plan there is no steady, credible, or consistent objection.

So Tom, if you have an idea why the GOP would like to shut down the government, set back our economy, and lower our credit rating (again) over--of all things--health insurance, please let me know.

Jay
http://loraxlog.blogspot.com

 
At 9:47 PM, Anonymous James said...

I think the Republican politicians are similar to professional wrestlers, nothing is real or sincere, everything is scripted to suit their audience. I doubt they really care if Obama care stays or goes.
When they passed the prescription drug bills,allowing the drug companies to rip off the taxpayers, they were happy as long as they got their large campaign contributions.
I suppose big business could be paying them to protest Obama care, and they are doing their part as a group of well organized mercenary con men. But their main job is to provide interesting and exciting theater to their base.
You have to admit, they make the Dems look boring.

 
At 1:19 AM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Davey,

Do you know that you have posted 11 times on this subject to, counting his one, my two?

That's 11 posts including my two out 43 total? And do you realize how your posts read, how you don't even address the topic at hand? You simply demand and attack and ridicule those who disagree with you.

Is this your way of dealing with those you disagree with, shout them down? Has your blog not been getting the attention you crave, so you have settled here?

You have become the internet's liberal version of Senator McCarthy, with your rampaging angry towards anyone who is not as liberal as you. It's Davey's way or the highway. Makes me wonder if you were a difficult child to potty train? Bed wetter? Just asking. Wish I could help you Davey, but to do so you would have to admit you needed help.


 
At 12:12 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuckie "How small of you Tom" Morre, the hypocrite, has many questions and insults. No answers.

I'd say you have nothing to offer, but you present a perfect example of the closed mindedness, hate and resentment of the radical Right.

don't even address the topic...says the blind cultist, unable to see healthcare AND Dr. Seuss in my comments.

Thanks, for your false concern, but when a cultist says, "Wish I could help", all it means is he thinks his belief system is the only truth.

So what's your idea of a healthcare plan, sport? Doesn't your cult have the best answer for all Americans?

That's all I'm asking.

Crickets...

Time for more accusations and commie talk, sport.

After all, it is all you got.



 
At 1:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Jeryl Bier;

"One day away from the launch of the Obamacare marketplaces, the question most on the minds people visiting the Healthcare.gov website is not about coverage, but rather about avoiding the penalty, or tax, for not having health insurance. As of Monday morning, here is how the website listed its "Most Popular" items:

As the website explains, the fee (tax) in 2014 is 1 percent of annual income or $95 per person, whichever is higher. The fee increases each year. By 2016 it increases to 2.5 percent of income or $695 per person, whichever is higher.

 
At 5:07 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

"It's a pretty safe bet that once the American people get a good taste of the Affordable Care Act, a lot of the doubters will be having a change of heart."

On what basis can you possibly say that?

Actually, premiums are going up to countermand the fact that now insurance companies are being told to operate outside of traditional actuarial boundaries. Rates will have to increase to cover that gap. Until the point they go up so much that the American people begin to cry that the insurance industry is screwing us all and decide we want a state run system. At which point we will likely go there. That's the real end game from where I sit...

But I guess we should all just trust them. I mean, the financial track record in Washington speaks for itself, no?

 
At 6:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't this the Party that told us if we liked our Dr or health care insurance, we could keep it under Obamacare?

Isn't this the Party that told us we would have to read Obamacare to find out what was in it?

Isn't this the Party who wants to raise the Countries Debt Ceiling?

Isn't this the Party who promised us thousands of new green energy jobs if they took control of the White House?


CNN(WTF, this isn't from Fox News or Limbaugh)Money:

There’s another budget crisis in Washington, and it’s unfolding inside the Democratic party. The Democratic National Committee remains so deeply in the hole from spending in the last election that it is struggling to pay its own vendors.

It is a highly unusual state of affairs for a national party — especially one that can deploy the President as its fundraiser-in-chief – and it speaks to the quiet but serious organizational problems the party has yet to address since the last election, obscured in part by the much messier spectacle of GOP infighting.

The Democrats’ numbers speak for themselves: Through August, 10 months after helping President Obama secure a second term, the DNC owed its various creditors a total of $18.1 million, compared to the $12.5 million cash cushion the Republican National Committee is holding.

Several executives at firms that contract to provide services to the party – speaking anonymously to avoid antagonizing what remains an important if troubled client — describe an organization playing for time as they raise alarms about past-due bills falling further behind. And senior strategists close to the DNC say they worry the organization appears to have no road map back to solvency. “They really thought they could get this money raised by the summer,” one said, “but the fact is, from talking to people over there, they have no real plan for how to solve this.”

Key sentence this is the Party that has no real plan for how to solve anything, except to tax more and spend more.

 
At 6:37 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Aren't they cute when they rely on corporate media?

Key sentence this is the Party that has no real plan for how to solve anything, except to tax more and spend more.

Except that sentence is not in the article, of course. Those are just Right Wing media words.

Excluded for some reason is the real key sentence:

“And filings show the organization over the last five months has made $4.5 million in payments to the Amalgamated Bank and appears to be hewing to a $1 million-per-month installment schedule now.”

Looks like a payment plan to me. So that would be a real plan after all. And guess what? No taxes will be used to pay for it.

Someone’s “key sentence” is BS again. They really dislike context don’t they? No wonder they come up with wacky “key sentences” like Obama saying, “You didn’t build your business”.

All they see is what’s in their bubble. Like this gem:

Isn't this the Party who wants to raise the Countries Debt Ceiling?

As opposed to the Party that wants to NOT pay our bills? The Party that wants to hold the economy and paychecks of working people hostage to their ideological fringe? The Party that wants to waste billions of tax dollars on a shut down and reduce our credit rating? Who calls that a “real plan” for paying bills?

LOL!!!!

 
At 8:48 PM, Blogger Chuck Morre said...

Davey,

Weak, very weak reply.

Let me know how I can help you.

 
At 9:04 PM, Anonymous Harry said...

"As opposed to the Party that wants to NOT pay our bills? The Party that wants to hold the economy and paychecks of working people hostage to their ideological fringe? The Party that wants to waste billions of tax dollars on a shut down and reduce our credit rating? Who calls that a “real plan” for paying bills?"

What happens to my retirement savings if Washington keeps creating dollars out of thin air like a magician? Will toilet paper be worth more than my saved dollars?

I won't have a generous pension like those union folk in Michigan.

 
At 10:37 PM, Blogger Modusoperandi said...

Harry "What happens to my retirement savings if Washington keeps creating dollars out of thin air like a magician? Will toilet paper be worth more than my saved dollars?"
What happens to the GDP when the government adopts belt-tightening measures during an economic slump? What happens to the deficit when countercyclic spending is undone by countercyclic austerity? What happens to your retirement savings then?
If you're in an economic hole, how does not buying a shovel help dig you out?

"I won't have a generous pension like those union folk in Michigan."
Neither do most of them.

 
At 11:27 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

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At 11:55 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Time for Chuckie to bring out his imaginary friends. We see his "Harry" character is back. We remember just a short while back "Harry" was a union employee in a private prison. He wouldn't tell us what private prison has union employees.

What happened, "Harry"? Quit your private prison union job? Got your story confused?

Isn't that just like Chuckie? Never answer questions.

Weak, very weak reply. Let me know how I can help you.

Oh, woe am I, utterly humiliated, castigated by a faultless argument of Right Wing Bubbleworld.

I have to say Chuckie sets a standard with his “conservative smart” arguments:

Makes me wonder if you were a difficult child to potty train? Bed wetter?

LOL! Yes, it does fit his character, doesn’t it?

We breathlessly await that “conservative smart” brain to excrete more of his profundities.

Maybe it’s time for another sermon from Rev. Chuckie. His deep thinking and vast knowledge amaze us.

So the question that only Chuckie’s “conservative smart” brain can answer is, what is your idea of a sane and compassionate healthcare system?

What's the matter, Harry Anonymous Chuckie?

Didn't your cult leaders program you with their alternative health care plan?

Of course you have no answer. You never do, do you? Perhaps you must continue demonstrating that we are unworthy of your superior “character” and faultless wisdom?

But we already have an answer. Remember the GOP presidential debate when cheers erupted when "let them die" was part of the question for their health care plan?

Yep. "Let 'em die" seems to be the most popular GOP healthcare plan for the non-wealthy and uninsured.

Isn't that right, Chuckie?

 
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At 12:22 PM, Blogger Dave Dubya said...

Chuckie,

Why bother with a conservative version of a health care bill.

Still can’t produce a sane and compassionate healthcare plan?

Absolutely. “Let ‘em die” works for the radical Right.

the GOP took back the Peoples House

“Took” is right, As I explained, most Americans want a Democrat Representative.

Now it’s the Tea Cult House extorting our nation.

Brick,

Yes! You nailed it. Too bad Chuckie won’t read or understand your point. Not in his bubble.

Harley,

Sure Obama postponed a measure. Get some perspective. I bet it kills fewer Americans than Bush’s invasion of Iraq. I also say it’s a lot less offensive to freedom and the Bill of Rights than their FISA and Patriot Act.

If I were to choose my battle it would be in that arena, not healthcare. Sheesh,

I again refer to Brick’s accurate analogy. The House has a duty to fund the government. Remember the Constitution? As with the Bible, the Tea Cult hollers about it, but it doesn’t look like they actually read it.

The Tea Cult is withholding that required funding to extort something that would not be voted for by both Houses. Read that again to get my point. It is called extortion.

See what I mean by anti-democracy? Tyranny of the minority is upon us. The corporate funded Tea Cult has taken over the corporate funded GOP that obstructs the corporate funded Democratic Party.

Obamacare is in no way "liberal" though it has the facade of being so.

Yes, but the Right always frames it as liberal. Why don’t you challenge THEM on that? Does the word “corporatocracy” make any sense to you yet?

We’ve made it clear what the liberal healthcare solution is. It is cheaper and has better outcomes. And we have ongoing evidence of this provided by more civilized countries, blessed by not having a Tea Cult.

Has it occurred to you if the GOP wanted healthcare reform they would have done it when they had both houses of Congress and the White House?

 
At 11:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Degan,

I live in Corpus Christi, Texas.
This troglodyte, Ted Cruz, is just one of thousands of brain dead in Texas. I have had the misfotune, since 1989, of having to work with brainless twits like Cruz. Every time i see these idiots, I think of the only person with above average intelligence, my dad, and what he once told me long ago.

"Son, you are going to find out that most people are not too bright. And you will find that some are incredibly stupid. Add to that the lack of morals, the lack of honesty, and incompetence and you do not have a very good mix."

This has been demonstrated to me repeatedly here in Texas. How can a college graduate be a total asshole like Ted Cruz? My dad had a perfect name for loons like Cruz. He called them educated idiots! We have thousands here in Texas

 

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