Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Remembering the Moderates

"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Abraham You-Know-Who
Gettysburg, November 1863 

Moderate Republicans. Remember them? I'm old enough to remember a time when the House and Senate stunk with moderate Republicans. Of course they're all gone now. The last known passenger pigeon died at the Cincinnati zoo in 1914. The death of the last known moderate Republican? Well technically at least they still walk among us. Olympia Snowe is still the senator from Maine but her days as a lawmaker are few and far between. She's leaving Washington in January when her term expires. The partisan craziness of what we used to call "the party of Abraham Lincoln" got to be too much for the poor gal to handle. She had had enough. Who could blame her? When she leaves DC this winter, nearly the last semblance of sanity and reason within that disgusting party will be leaving with her.

The death of Arlen Specter on Sunday got me to thinking about these and other topics. Arlen Specter....the man I hated to love. He was a pain in the neck at times, and way to grumpy for his own damned good. But you always got the impression that the man's heart was essentially in the right place. He was the old fashioned sort of Republican that I can still vaguely remember from my childhood. They were a well-meaning (if incurably goofy) lot. 

There was the governor of my own state when I was growing up: Nelson Rockefeller. I couldn't stand him. His draconian drug laws (which are still in place) never did New York a bit of good. And yet in his day Rockefeller was considered by most people as (hold onto your hats) "A LIBERAL REPUBLICAN!" Rocky was considered by the John Birch wing of the GOP to be such a screaming lefty that at their convention in the summer of 1964 he was literally jeered off the stage. Yes, children, believe it or not Republicans like Nelson A. Rockefeller used to walk the earth in somewhat sizable numbers. [SIGH]

The nominee who emerged from that long-ago 1964 convention was named Barry Goldwater. During the campaign against Lyndon Johnson that year, the Goldwater campaign slogan was "In your heart you know he's right". The Johnson people countered with, "In your guts you know he's nuts". In his day, the Arizona senator was known as Mr. Conservative. And he was indeed a conservative - at least according to the standards of his time. But in the nearly half century since 1964, the Republcan party has moved so far to the extreme right it's in danger of falling off of the planet. At the end of his life Barry was so disgusted at the ideological disintegration of his party that he teamed up with John Dean to write a book which was to be called, "Conservatives Without Conscience" a play on his classic political tome, "The Conscience of a Conservative".

"Let me remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

Barry Goldwater
Republican National Convention, 1964  

Today the GOP wouldn't nominate Barry Goldwater to run as sewer inspector of Yuma, Arizona. It's gotten that weird. 

And then there is that screaming lefty, Dick Nixon - RICHARD FREAKING MILHAUS NIXON! - a man who by the standards of the modern-day Republican party would qualify for a statue in the old Kremlin. While he was president he wanted every American guaranteed a livable wage. This was suggested to him by one of his chief advisers (Hold onto your hats) Daniel Patrick Moynihan! It never happened because he couldn't get support for the idea from his own party (Are you surprised?) He also made a serious attempt to bring affordable health care every American man, woman and child. That effort was defeated in the senate by (another stunner) Teddy Kennedy. He didn't want national health insurance to be a Republican legacy. It was not one of old Ted's mountaintop moments, that's for sure.   

And Nixon, I miss you
And I'm feeling blue
I've lost all of my senses
I'm nostalgic for you....

To be sung to the tune of Bobby Goldboro's maudlin pop masterpiece, "Honey" 

If Nixon and Goldwater were raised from the dead tonight at midnight replacing Romney/Ryan on the ticket, I might seriously consider casting my vote for them....then again, I might not. Still, it's an interesting thought, huh?

What happened to all those moderate Republicans you may well ask? Well, they either died or they left that party in complete and utter disgust. They were joyfully replaced by the racist Dixiecrats who fled the Democrats like diseased rats after President Johnson signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights act of 1965. The Republicans welcomed them with open arms. Isn't it strange that the party that was founded on the principle that the black man should no longer be bound by the slave master's  chains could have devolved  into something this perfectly hideous?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

In memory of
Gerard R. Degan

Sunday marked a sad milestone in my family's history. My late father's last surviving brother, my beloved Uncle Jerry Degan, died peacefully at his home in San Mateo, California.

Heaven will be even more jolly tonight now that Jerry Degan has arrived. The man was an absolute hoot-and-a-half. Every one of my cousins and I agree: He was the the funniest human being who ever walked this earth. It's hard to believe that, having lived in the Los Angeles area for nearly half a century, no Hollywood big shot ever had the good sense to sign him up as a character actor. He would have been the best one that ever lived. Think Don Rickles on steroids. Only his humor was gentle. He never offended a soul. That was my Uncle Jerry.

Seventy-five years ago, on July 11, 1937, the writer John O'Hara learned of the passing of his old and cherished friend, the composer George Gershwin. What O'Hara wrote that day about Gershwin may be said on this day with only slight rewording. Yesterday I paraphrased him on my Facebook page:

 "Jerry Degan died on October 14, 2012, but I don't have to believe it if I don't want to."  

This is going to take some getting used to.

For every one that goes before me I fear it less and less.


At 4:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember the moderates like JFK and HHH. Neither of them would recognize their party today.

At 4:14 PM, Anonymous KanaW said...

My condolences on the loss of your uncle, Tom. He sounds as if he was a wonderful person.

But in the nearly half century since 1964, the Republican party has moved so far to the extreme right it's in danger of falling off of the planet.
No truer statement has been written today.

At 4:42 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

Tom, dear Tom, of course I agree with you about the loss of moderate Republicans, but more importantly, I'm truly sorry to hear about your uncle. And no, you certainly don't have to believe it if you don't want to. xxxooo

At 5:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uncles should be special, I am sorry for your loss.

At 8:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find this moderately awful.

Food stamps enrollment has hit a new record high. 46,681,833 million are now enrolled in the social welfare program, according to the United States Department of Agriculture, the federal department that runs the program.
When President Obama took office, enrollment in the food stamps program was 31.98 million. Now, not even four years later, it's a whopping 46.48 million.
Great example of how Hope and Change has failed, as does liberalism every time it's tried. Oops, forgot, it's Bush's fault.

At 9:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why we need "moderate voter ID laws.

The Florida chapter of the AFL-CIO appears to be encouraging folks to break the law. In a message on the homepage of their website, the union writes, "There is a mantra that we --at the Florida AFL-CIO-- like to live by, 'Vote Early, Vote Often'."

The mantra of the Florida AFL-CIO encourages illegal activity.

There appears to be two federal laws this would violate: 42 USC 1973i(e) and 42 USC § 1973gg–10(2). "The former federal law makes it illegal to vote twice. The latter law prohibits fraudulent voting in a federal election. 18 USC 2 makes it illegal to aid and abet election fraud," J. Christian Adams has previously noted.

"On October 27th, we get to put it into practice, when the United Association of Plumbers and Allied Trades (UA) will host Early Voting Rallies across Florida," reads the rest of the message on the homepage. "These rallies will not only be a chance to get you fired up, but it will also be an opportunity to get you to the polls before November 6th. The UA will have buses and shuttles ready at each location to take you to an early voting location and help move our country forward by participating in the democratic process. Bring your friends, coworkers, neighbors…or really anyone that you can think of that wants to make sure to get to the polls and beat the crowds on Election Day. It is up to all of us to secure Florida’s future. The UA is stepping up, and now it is up to us to fill the buses and get the votes we need to win. They will be providing refreshments and food; so they want to make sure they have enough to provide for everyone. Click here to RSVP for a Early Vote Rally and Ride event near you!"

So look for the Union Label!

At 8:11 AM, Anonymous Tom V said...

Good morning Tom,

First off condolences on the loss of your Uncle. I sometimes think that when Republicans use the term " Liberal Republicans" they really mean to say 'reasonable Republicans" they just can't bring themselves to admit it. Look what the party did to Rudy Guiliani when he tried to run for President. If the national party had been any less helpful to him they would had to shut down completely. I agree with a previous writer in that our party has gone so far to the right that we are in danger of falling off the edge but in fairness the same can be said of the democratic Party on the left.

All the best,

Tom V.

At 10:38 AM, Blogger Tor Hershman said...


At 10:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

More "moderate" Obama supporters statements

Post-presidential debate, Obama supporters renew vows to murder Mitt Romney


If Romney win this election, he might as well wear a shirt that says "Assassinate Me Bitch"
16 Oct 12


Yall ready to assasinate romney ?—
Paper Habits ✈ (@LoudJet_Life) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12

As soon as tonight’s presidential debate was underway, unhinged Obama supporters took to Twitter to make threats on Mitt Romney’s life:


Romney make me wanna hop through the tv & just assasinate his ass .—
Alyece Johnson (@alyy_joee) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12


I'm gonna murder Romney right now—
Weston Sebree (@WestonSebree) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12

Brendell @iBeBlowinUrMind

Somebody needs to asassinate This mofo Romney
16 Oct 12



goodnight yall .. cause im getting ready to murder romney !—
intangiblebeauty (@AllHaleDeja_) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12

#¢reamteam4sho™ @4shogbmg

I aint gone lie... Food stamps the shit! I mite assasinate romney my damn self if he get elected ! I fuxx wit free 99 on the eats
16 Oct 12



IG: judith_bossinx3 (@judithBossinx3) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12


If Romney is elected, I'm going to assassinate him #sniperstyle—
Erin (@erinheaven) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12


If Romney win , a nigga gone murder ass .. smh—
Blake Griffin Yo Hoe (@DamnGurlYuNasty) October 17, 2012
16 Oct 12

$Bl@¢kDyn@m!t3$ @WishaNiggaW00dz

Fck Romney.!.. soon as he break out the whips and chains...the mf murder rate goin up...caus ill b damned the bitch have me on my knees

Damned Tea Party!

At 12:26 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

Wonder what Anonymous does for a living. Or, does he even have a real job?

At 12:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't remember Specter being a moderate.
Against today's Republicans, he looks like a moderate, in comparison.
I'll always remember him for being "the single bullet theory" man.
You know, the guy who rested his Kennedy assassination investigation on the idea, that one bullet went through two bodies, a car part, and ended up on the president's stretcher, in "pristine" condition.
A theory so full of holes, it started a whole industry of conspiracy theorists.

At 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know anonymous is a "he" and how do you know it is just one person? And what does having or not having a job have to do with the right to free speech for anonymous?

At 5:56 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

"He" is the correct way to refer to an anonymous writer when their sex is not known.

At 5:57 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

I just read that George McGovern is gravely ill and not responding to treatment.

At 6:03 PM, Anonymous John said...

>>>And what does having or not having a job have to do with the right to free speech for anonymous?

In your case, it is irrelevant. Your identity is easily divined from the adage, 'opinions are like assholes...'

At 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, Leslie,

Is it something I said? Like giving true examples of not so Moderate liberals actions.

At 9:24 PM, Anonymous John said...

Assholes reside across the entire political spectrum. Quoting a bunch of liberal assholes achieves nothing. A similar achievement is found in arguing with an anonymous asshole.


At 10:27 PM, Anonymous James said...

I think those quotes are bullshit, writing crap like that is asking for a visit from the FBI. Beside they sound too ignorant to be attributed to a Liberal.

At 7:55 AM, Anonymous Linda P. said...

What a thoughtful commemoration of your uncle.

At 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Head in the sand much?

At 10:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is anyone "moderately" upset over the latest figures on crime, unemployment and welfare increases?

Welfare spending jumps 32% from four years ago.

Weekly applications for U.S. unemployment benefits jumped 46,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 388,000, the highest in four months. The increase represents a rebound from the previous week's sharp drop.

Violent crimes unexpectedly jumped 18 percent last year, the first rise in nearly 20 years, and property crimes rose for first time in a decade.

This is all the fault of Bush, the GOP, the 1%. We really do need to hope there is a moderate change this Nov. 6th.

At 10:42 AM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

Thank you, Linda P....

It's sort of complicated when I say that I'm going to miss Uncle Jerry. Since he moved to the West Coast when I was a little boy, I rarely saw him. Two or three times a year if I was lucky. Truth be told, I've been "missing" Jerry Degan for forty-eight years.

He was a great guy, and now he'll be missed even more.

At 12:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Could you do a rant on why repeated requests for increased security at the Benghazi Consulate were rejected prior to the terrorist attack?

Why did Hillary fall on her sword to cover for the inept Barry and Smilin Joe who claim they were kept out of the loop of the requests for increased security? Maybe Barry should go to more intelligence meetings and less TV shows.

At 12:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

—23 Million Unemployed or Underemployed —47 Million on Food Stamps —5.5 Million Homes in Crisis/Foreclosure —$4500 Drop in Household Income —$5.5 Trillion of New Debt —$716 Billion in Medicare Cuts —$2.6 Trillion for Obamacare —$1.9 Trillion in New Taxes in Obama’s Budget —100% Increase in Gas Prices

nice job Barry, are you still blaming it on Bush?

At 2:20 PM, Anonymous James said...

What is your problem? The Military, Industrial,Congressional complex is doing great. The corporations have record profits and the wealthy have never done better. That is all that matters, are you one of those damn Rino's?

At 3:05 PM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Leslie Parsley: "Wonder what Anonymous does for a living. Or, does he even have a real job?"

Leslie, this is his living. This one has gone by several pseudonyms, and had infected my own blog before I called him out on a few things -- notably his closeted homosexuality ("Not that there's anything wrong with that!") and his residence being in Middleton, CT. When I asked him whether he cruised bars there, or if the pickings were better in nearby Hartford, the nonsense came to a screaming halt.

Now he's content with being a parasite that's taken over the life of his own host.

At 5:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The corporations have record profits and the wealthy have never done better."

And the job of govt is to not allow that? Do the math for me, lets round last years Federal welfare spending from 1.4 trillion to "just" a trillion.

Divide that number by ALL those who received some form of welfare last year. Not talking SS or govt paycheck. Would the results of that bit of math equal a number larger than the official poverty income level for one person? If so, then why the hell don't we just send those who are on welfare a check and cut the middle men out? No food stamps, no rent assistance, just "here's your $30,000 govt check per person for the year". Spend it wisely, there will not be any more till next year. That way there would be no one living below the poverty level for a solid year. Same cost to fund as we have now, better income to those who receive the check. What would be the beef then?
Oh I know, it would be that there are still people who make more money, and that's not fair.
What a racket you liberals support.

At 4:28 AM, Blogger Modusoperandi said...

Anonymous "Do the math for me, lets round last years Federal welfare spending from 1.4 trillion to 'just' a trillion...Divide that number by ALL those who received some form of welfare last year. Not talking SS or govt paycheck. Would the results of that bit of math equal a number larger than the official poverty income level for one person?"
Where did you get that 1.4T number? A casual googling shows about 800B, including the welfare side of health spending (2/3rd of which is Medicaid), putting the "per person" at around $2,500 (or, if you prefer "the 47%"*, $5,500. More, if you include state programs, and their chunk of Medicaid. State programs primarily include education, welfare programs and prisons. Terrifyingly, the first and last tend to be included under the same header: Human Services).
So, no. It would not put them above the poverty line (and I should note that Medicaid spending includes old folks home care).

"If so, then why the hell don't we just send those who are on welfare a check and cut the middle men out? No food stamps, no rent assistance, just "here's your $30,000 govt check per person for the year"."
US federal budget = $3,500,000,000,000
US population X 0.47 X $30,000 = $4,396,380,000,000

* ...because the Makers never take and if anyone ever says so you call them a liar because that's what they are and my home mortgage interest deduction is not a handout because I earned that and I also earned UI and the extension and that's not welfare spending even though it's listed under that because shut up that's why.

At 8:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The government spent approximately $1.03 trillion on 83 means-tested federal welfare programs in fiscal year 2011 alone — a price tag that makes welfare that year the government’s largest expenditure, according to new data released by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee.

The total sum taxpayers spent on federal welfare programs was derived from a new Congressional Research Service (CRS) report on federal welfare spending — which topped out at $745.84 billion for fiscal year 2011 — combined with an analysis from the Republican Senate Budget Committee staff of state spending on federal welfare programs (based on “The Oxford Handbook of State and Local Government Finance”), which reached $282.7 billion in fiscal year 2011.

The data EXCLUDES spending on Social Security, Medicare, means-tested health care for veterans without service-connected disabilities, and the means-tested veterans pension program.

At 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor Libs, Dems, Progressives, Socialists, Marxists, Communists, LGBTs, George Jefferson's Guardian and all the rest of the moron vote. So sorry your "Messiah" turned out to be a dud. When you tell lie after lie after lie, it starts to add up. Sorry, truth hurts.

After the last two debates, I don't think anybody would take Obama on as an intern to run a hot dog stand. He knows nothing about business, money, energy, or economics.

At 1:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big problem with your assuming (or maybe it's your fond wishes), but47% of Americans are not on welfare. Try again.

At 2:24 PM, Blogger Modusoperandi said...

Anonymous, balance that smaller number of people against the smaller amount of welfare spending (I included a bunch of welfare spending that doesn't count; EITC counts, SSI doesn't. Etc). Run through that first link I pasted and see what you think counts. Then figure out how many people that amount covers.
Then you'll have actual math in spending and in people, instead of a too large amount for too many people.

At 3:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberalism/socialism failing again.

So far, 36 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher.
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

The problem begins with the issue of government picking winners and losers in the first place. Venture capitalist firms exist for this very reason, and they choose what to invest in by looking at companies’ business models and deciding if they are worthy. When the government plays venture capitalist, it tends to reward companies that are connected to the policymakers themselves or because it sounds nice to “invest” in green energy.

At 3:29 PM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Anonymous: "[Obama] knows nothing about business, money, energy, or economics."

It doesn't matter. He's already the scripted winner. As I've maintained all along, it'll be a squeaker but the grand prize will again go to Obama. That's a guarantee.

Mitt Romney will go back to Bain Capital. Tagg Romney will be a gold medalist in boxing at the 2016 games in Rio.

At 7:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moderate JG is right, the fix is in. Obama will win again. Why else would he be doing this?

The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011.

At 7:14 PM, Anonymous James said...

All those Green Energy companies going out of business is not failed Liberalism/socialism, it is old fashioned corruption, back room deals, payoffs and kickbacks.

It is similar to Cheney giving hundreds of billions of no bid contracts to Halliburton. The political insiders get rich and the tax payers gets screwed.

Do not be so partisan, it makes you look foolish.

At 7:48 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Anonymous: "Obama will win again. Why else would he be doing this?"

Because the polling numbers have to fall within the margin of error. It's all political theater.

James to Anonymous: "Do not be so partisan, it makes you look foolish."

It's his natural state of being. Besides, he's paid to sit on this blog and denounce liberalism.

Also, don't forget, he's a true entrepreneur -- a "job creator". ;-)

At 11:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


And don't forget that JG is

At 12:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Halliburton go bankrupt?

At 12:36 PM, Anonymous James said...

Yes, they went bankrupt in 2004.

At 12:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From www.mesothel.com/ dated 12/17/2003

"Halliburton said in Tuesday several of its subsidiaries, including Kellogg Brown & Root, which holds the controversial US government contract in Iraq, had filed for bankruptcy protection from creditors to provide for a permanent resolution to the company's asbestos liabilities.

The filings, in Pennsylvania bankruptcy court, followed Friday's announcement that a majority of the more than 386,000 asbestos claimants had voted to accept Halliburton's reorganisation plan as part of a $4bn settlement. They agreed to limit to $2.8bn the cash required to settle the claims, so the subsidiaries were required today to pay $326m of that amount prior to the bankruptcy filing.

The affected subsidiaries are to continue to be wholly owned by Halliburton, one of the world's biggest providers of products and services for the petroleum and energy industries, and continue normal operations. KBR's government services business is excluded from the filing.

Analysts say Halliburton's asbestos liabilities, not the charges of US favouritism for Iraqi contracts and overcharging for services there, have been a drag on the company's share performance. Yet an expectation that it was due to be resolved by the year-end has already pushed up Halliburton's share price, so analysts were neutral on the news.

Halliburton inherited the asbestos liability in 1998, when it acquired Dresser Industries, which had used asbestos in bricks and the coating for pipes."

At 12:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Planned Parenthood and Obama Moderate lie!

"Nearly 2,000 pro-lifers called local Planned Parenthood clinics Oct. 18 to schedule mammograms, after President Obama implied the organization offers the service.

"When Gov. Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country who rely on Planned Parenthood for not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms,” said Obama Oct. 16 during the second presidential debate.

Planned Parenthood does not actually provide women with mammograms, but refers patients out to other facilities for the exam.

At 9:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iwould love to see a rant that there has not been a legitamately elected republican president since Eisenhower.

Nixon commited treason by having his aides delay the Viet War peace treaty nfor political gains.

Reagan had secreted delayed the releaser of the U.S. hostages Pres. Carter tried to rescue until after he was elected.

The Iran-Contra affair by Reagan. Where are weapons where uised against us and friendlies.

Bush Jr. never won any election.

At 9:58 AM, Blogger Tom Degan said...

You make a few good points there. But I think it's fair to say that JFK and LBJ were legitimately elected.

The historical falsehood persists after more than a half century that Jack Kennedy won by stealing Dick Daley's Chicago and Lyndon Johnson's Texas. Highly likely as far as Chicago is concerned; not too likely with regard to the Lone Start state. With a Texan on the ticket that state was in the bag.

What is often forgotten is the fact that, while the election of 1960 was a squeaker as far as the popular vote is concerned, in the electoral college it was a landslide. Kennedy still would have won that election had Nixon been able to take those two states.

Tom Degan


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