Wednesday, November 02, 2011

There Goes Rick!

"This is such a cool state. I mean, come on: 'Live Free or Die'. You gotta love it, right?....I come from a state, you know, where they have this little place called the Alamo, and they declared 'Victory or Death'....We're kind of into those slogans 'Live free or die', Victory or Death'. Bring it."

Rick Perry

"Republican Rick Perry is a tough-talking Texan, but he was a good ol' giggler in New Hampshire on Friday - prompting pundits to speculate he'd had a few pops before giving his
pep talk."

Byran Browdi
New York Dail
y News, 11/2/11

There he stood on the mountaintop. Here was the man who had been called upon by history to lead his people out of the desert. He was the new Moses - re-visioned for the twenty-first century. This man of the Texas plains called out to the multitudes, "I will lead you to the precipice of this mountain of righteousness. Follow me." The people were overwhelmed by his very presence. Surely, they felt, here was a man who would do battle, in their name,
against the evil forces of liberalism. They knelt at his feet, some of them weeping in joy and gratitude. He found himself at the height of his life's mission, standing proud. "I am at fate's alter", he quietly said to himself, "Nothing and nobody will hinder my quest." And there he proudly stood on the mountaintop of history, prepared to go forth to do battle. At that very moment something horrible happened....

Rick Perry opened his mouth.

You know your
candidacy is pretty much blued, screwed and tattooed, when a certified headcase like Herman Cain is leading you in every poll. This is terrible news for me. I so wanted Governor Perry to be named standard bearer at the Republican Convention next summer, I could almost taste it. What a wondrously stupid and twisted campaign his would have been! I'm almost beside myself in my grief and frustration.

But where there is
even a wisp of life there can still be an abundance of hope. There are still two months before the primary season begins. Maybe there is time for him to get his act together. I know this is probably wishful thinking on my part. I have a history of self-delusion when it comes to my political hopes and dreams. Michele Bachmann's campaign has warped and died like rancid fruit on the vine. The Hermanator is about to be done in by a sexual harassment scandal he thought was long-forgotten. Rick Santorum petered out the moment he announced his candidacy. Newt Gingrich is diseased and brain damaged. Mitt Romney is just plain boring. Mr. Rick is my last and only hope.

Oh, please, dear and blessed fat
e. O cruel and wicked fate! Why dost thou torment we mortals so?
Talk about your luck of the Irish. You've really got to hand it to O'Bama. No, that wasn't a typo. This son-of-a-bitch has been so lucky throughout his career he must be a descendant of the Emerald Isle! In fact we now know he is! Certainly he's got to be the luckiest politician in American history! First he had the extremely good fortune to run against a stark-raving lunatic like Alan Keyes for the senate, then only a couple of years later he faces down blubbering John McCain and Fascist Barbie for the presidency. And now? Just have a gander at the insane clown posse that wants to take his job from him! I've said it before and now I'll repeat myself: Barack Obama is the luckiest man on the face of the earth. Somewhere beyond the curtain of that unknowable void, Lou Gehrig must be smiling. I hear you sigh.
Back on August 15, shortly after Rick Perry entered the race, I wrote the following on this site:

"The deeply disturbing similarities to George W. Bush aside, Rick Perry has also got that Ronald Reagan thing happening, have you noticed that? Good hair, telegenic, sunny disposition, smooth talker - and dumber than an empty box
of Rice Crispies. Ronnie with a Texas twang. The perfect candidate in this era of soundbites and snake oil. Just when you thought that the 2012 clown parade could not possibly get any stupider, enter Rick Perry, stage right - extreme right."

Exit Rick Perry.

I have to stop kidding myself. This campaign is kaput. The irony is that it wasn't the mind-bendingly stupid things our man Rick was saying in the debates that did him in with "the base". Ignorance goes a long way with this crowd as you know. And not even when it was revealed that he had spent years frequenting a hunting camp called "Nigger Neck" did it register a molecule with these assholes. No, what broke the deal for Perry was a genuine (and touching quite frankly) moment of compassion when he told this mob of half-wits that Texas has a duty to educate the children of illegal immigrants, and anyone who thought differently "doesn't have any heart". That sort of decency doesn't really play too well with the Tea party types. For good or ill, that was the moment the Perry campaign began to whither and die.

Republican governors throughout the land have been working overtime in the last year, rigging their respective states' election laws in such a way that would make it next-to-impossible for the people who normally vote for the Democratic party to cast their precious ballots. Under such a scenario even a sadistic twit like Rick Perry could have waltzed right into the Oval Office. But now it looks as if that's not going to happen - and too bad for me. A Perry administration - while bad for this already irreparably damaged nation - would have been the best thing that ever happened to me. For at least four (or possibly eight) years, I would not have had to so-much-as touch my keyboard. These things would have written themselves. Now it looks as though I'll be working a little harder than I had hoped to in the years to come. Bummer!

Still, we do live in interesting times, do we not?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
This Mother's Life
by Nina Mohadjer
Nina Mojadjer is a friend of mine who lives in Ridgefield, Connecticut. She has written a wonderful book that chronicles her thoughts and observations with regard to being a relatively new citizen of the United States and the joys and challenges of being a single mother, raising two precocious (but perfectly delightful) daughters. She was born in Iran in 1970, raised in Germany, and came to the Unites States in 1993. Her tri-cultural experience is not only truly amazing, but inspiring as well.

She is a tireless advocate of Women's rights - not only in this country but in her native Iran as well - and has written extensively and passionately on the subject. If you want to understand why immigrants are - and always hav
e been - so essential to America's soul, just look to Nina Mohadjer. Her story is an example that can light the darkest American night. She is also very polite, did I mention that? A real lady to the manor born.

At the moment has no copies of her book in stock, but you can ask your friendly, independently owned book store (There must be one left) to order it for you. Or, better yet, contact Nina directly:

As I said, Nina Mohadjer inspires.


Nina is a legal immigrant. Chill.


At 1:30 PM, Anonymous Just the Facts! said...

The opening his mouth problem reminds me of our current V.P.. Wouldn't you agree?

At 2:17 PM, Blogger Tom Degan's Daily Rant said...

First of all Rick Perry is running for chief executive - not VP. Secondly while Joe Biden has this positive genius for blurting out the wrong thing at the wrong time, he has never actually said anything jaw-droppingly stupid.

Don't forget, although his language might have been inappropriate, that was a "big fucking deal".


Tom Degan

At 5:54 PM, Blogger Leslie Parsley said...

The entire GOP campaign has been a circus and we haven't even had to buy tickets. The thought of them giving the nod to Perry and/or Cain Unable was just too tasty to contemplate. I'm surprised none of Perry's team has come out and said something really idiotic like, "This is the real Perry. This is the way he is all the time." THAT would be scary.

At 6:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing jaw dropping stupid like "57 states"?

At 6:32 PM, Blogger Sheria said...

Perhaps the problem is Moses as a role model. Moses only got to see the Promised Land from a distance; he was not allowed to enter into the Promised Land, something about being disobedient and striking a rock with his staff. Doesn't appear that Perry will make it to the White House. Probably something to do with that rock at his hunting camp. There may be more accuracy to the Bible than I have previously believed. I'm going to have to look to the Bible for some additional insights into Cain and Romney.

At 6:35 PM, Anonymous B said...

It's Obama's 57 Islamic states.

AP has now investigated Cain more in the last week then they have investigated the Teleprompter in the last 5 years.

Herminator will be fine. Dems have no high ground here, to say the least, much less the rest of the country.

Obama - Larry Sinclair
Clinton - Monica, E Mondale, others in oval office, countless others everywhere else.
Clyburn wanking to Playboys on commercial air flights.
David Wu...
David Paterson ...
Spitzer ...
etc, etc

If these women had principles they would have quit on principle and not taken "hush money" as extortionists. I am not buying it until one of them recalls an inquisition regarding pubic hair on their Coke.

At 3:33 AM, Anonymous Ron Baldwin said...

Lucky politicians? Yeah I will give you the little Irish kid in the White House who finally seems to be getting his act together. (He really does have a remote Irish ancestor).

Equally lucky is Bill Nelson, senior US Senator from Florida.

In Nelson's first run for Senate in 2000 he was opposed by the Alfred E. Newman (Mad Magazine) look alike, Bill McCollum, who was fresh from fame as a House Inpeachment Manager against Bill Clinton. Most Americans agreed with the Senate that the impeachment was a farce and a waste of time and money.

For reelection in 2006 Nelson was opposed by Katherine Harris, former 2000 Florida Bush campaign Co-Chair and at the same time the elected Secretary of State. By 2006 it was well known and well documented that Harris as Secretary of State had secretly disenfranchised tens of thousands of minorities in the 2000 election because their names were 80% similar to felons (Joseph Smyth was the same name as Joseph Smith). There was no notice of proposed removal from the votor rolls. they just did it quietly. The wrongly disenfranchished voters showed up at the polls and were turned away. No provisional ballots. Nothing. Just go home and let the Supreme Court decide the election. Nelson won his 2006 election in a cake walk.

Now in 2012 Nelson is faced by three clowns (Moe, Larry, and Curley) who have never faced election by more than 2% of the voters in Florida (one has never been elected). Also there are 600,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Florida. To put that in perspective I believe New Hampshire has about 800,000 voters in total.

Recently Congressman Connie Mack announced he also would oppose Nelson. Mack has faced election by about 11% of the voters in Florida. His father, also a Connie Mack, was a US Senator but he retred 15 years ago, which is a lifetime in politics.

Yeah, this Connie Mack is the grandson of the Connie Mack (his grandfather) who holds the Major League record for wins as a manager. Trouble is his grandfather also holds the record for most losses, and overall had a losing record. With that record how could he have held the manager's job for 64 years? By the way, he owned the team.

Nelson might not be Irish but he certainly is lucky.

Isn't politics grand?

At 8:53 AM, Blogger Steve Gravano said...

I agree with Leslie what a circus the GOP has turned into!

At 9:04 AM, Blogger Nance said...

Oh, poor baby, you'll have to keep writing. Poor us. Poor Mr. Obama.

And, yes, Tom, we live in interesting times. So interesting, in fact, that I've got Live Blogging the G-20 and Live Blogging Occupy Oakland and Live Blogging #OWS tabbed across the top of the screen today and I'm just hopscotching between them. There may or may not be time for a shower all day.

Frankly, I would have liked it better to be living in boring, peaceful, prosperous times. I'm scared stiff to miss a single minute of the news right now. Between my anxiety over the EU and its effect on our economy and my worry about the imminent failure of the Super Committee's plan, with its instant effect on our military retiree income, I'm worn slam out.

At 10:59 AM, Blogger Ellis D., Esq. said...

I guess the Republicans don't take the role of the President seriously if they think ANY of these jokers that they are trotting out there are capable of doing the job. They must think the President is an irrelevant figure-head since all their dirty work is handled by their paid off Congress people and ethically bankrupt Supreme Court Justices. If Amerika wasn't so fucked up I'd think the whole thing was hysterically funny, watching these establishment people tripping over each other to prove who is the biggest asshole in the bunch !!

At 11:54 AM, Blogger charles moore said...

Tom, while the GOP candidates are a lot of fun to listen to, I don't know what is more frightening, their complete lack of qualifications or the mindless adulation of the people who support them. And to follow up on Ellis D's comment, I don't think that most of the people in Congress are any more qualified than the clowns who want to be president. The really scary thing is how many of them have been elected and come in to office having less knowledge of how government works than a high school kid.

At 5:36 PM, Anonymous Ron Baldwin said...

There was a time when one had to be really smart and have great integrity to be President, starting with an earlier GW (George Washington), John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and on and on. OK, maybe we should skip Franklin Pierce and James Buchannan.

Then the latest GW (George W. Bush) set a new low on the stupid meter.

That brings us to the loonie tunes parade the R's are showcasing. Make way for Mortimer Snerd.

At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Ron, Charles and Ellis,

How many states are in the United States according to President Obama?

Just asking

At 7:59 PM, Blogger Tom Degan's Daily Rant said...

"OK, maybe we should skip Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan."

You're singing my song, Ron. Good one!



The right wing has been having a fucking field day with that one since the day Obama mentioned it.

When was that day?

Almost four years ago. After an exhausting day on the campaign trail.


Whole fucking BOOKS have been written compiling Dubya's gaffes. The only thing you assholes have been able to come up with is an off-the-cuff statement Obama made years ago.

Here is the challenge: Go through the archives. Try to find all of the stupid things that Barack Obama has said during his ENTIRE public career.

Then compare them with the idiotic things that Bush said during the campaign of 2000 alone.

You lose.


Tom Degan

At 9:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your blog doesn't have the band width to carry all the stupid things Obama has said.
If you are like most liberals, you only read books to which you already agree with. When and what was the last book you read that was the least bit conservative in it's position?
I'm waiting.

At 9:12 AM, Anonymous GOLESS said...


focus man, focus! Its 2011, not 2000.
It's President Obama, not President Bush.
Current events if you can.

At 9:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it has become painfully obvious that whole Political Process, especially the Presidential Parade, is/has become nothing more than ANOTHER revenue generating charade benefiting the already Rich and Powerful. While We the People are busy sorting through the steady stream of contrived minutia the entrenched Political Operating System remains intact and will continue to do it's Capitalist thing no matter what body occupies the White House. It is the quintessential money laundering scam.

The strings that are being pulled to manipulate The People are constantly strengthened by ever more devious ways of gathering/storing information on our trends, likes and dislikes so we can be more effectively marketed to.(Information we readily disclose) I fear it's time to unplug from the Matrix and live our lives free from the subliminal taunting because it really doesn't matter anyway. In the end whether we comply, rebel or ignore we will wind up in the same place!

At 9:26 AM, Blogger Tom Degan's Daily Rant said...

"Where the Right went Wrong"
by Pat Buchanan


At 10:13 AM, Blogger Ellis D., Esq. said...

I think we have an ethical obligation to rebel. Not necessarily through violence but through well planned and frequent general strikes and well thought out boycotts of the goods and services of these evil corporations. The internet allows us to organize and communicate in a way that was not possible during past attempted revolutions. The biggest obstacle we face is the cowardice or indifference of those who only care about themselves and will not participate since they are still living comfortably and have what they perceive as enough of the pie. Such folks need to lose that egoistic mentality and start to give a shit about other folks less fortunate. Until that occurs we will forever be under the control of the 1 % !!

At 11:08 AM, Blogger Nancy, Near Philadelphia said...


A lot.

At 11:55 AM, Blogger Chris said...

Tom, does all this mean it's Big Love Mitt Romney's campaign to lose?

I do agree about Obama being lucky. In 2004, he was actually slated to run against Republican Jack Ryan. He was the one that was married to the extremely hot Geri Ryan from Star Trek (7 of 9?) So hot. Anyway, Jack and her were getting divorced and in the divorce papers Geri Ryan listed swinger parties and multiple sex partners as one of the reasons for the divorce.

Geri is from Paducah, KY, which is about 30 minutes from me. Her and Jack Ryan would go to strip clubs there and take home the ladies. And sometimes they would go to gay bars in Paducah. We uncovered a picture of Jack Ryan posing with a gay male stripper at a gay bar in Kentucky. Three days later Jack Ryan withdrew from the race. Thus, Alan Keyes was brought in from Maryland as a way to divide the black vote and keep the seat Republican. It didn't work. The same will happen if Cain is nominated.

Though I'll close by saying I don't see the GOP ever nominating a black person. I don't necessarily see them nominating a Mormon either. Which is, I guess, why you say Obama is so very lucky.

At 3:25 PM, Blogger Ellis D., Esq. said...

So Chris who then gets the nod ?? Christie is out. Maybe NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg the Indeprepublicrat ?? Nah, he's Jewish. Can you say Jeb Bush ?? Hmmmmm..........

At 3:51 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

Gypsy Bob –

You’ve hit on a good point. In truth, it’s a shell game. One side is trying to convince us the pea is on the right - the other side is trying to convince us it’s on the left. Truth is - there is no pea. They lost the pea years ago. We are being played and our country is bankrupt and headed for disaster. If the con men can continue to propagate division amongst us (vis-à-vis banter like we have on blogs like this), they win. Movements like Tea Party and Occupy show that folks don’t necessarily know what to do or how to get it done, but they know they’re tired of where we are. Both represent the fringes in reality, and both most often present oversimplified solutions. The common man is largely keeping his head down and trying to make a living as he typically does. It’s a sad day. I pray we can wake up and get on with it. It's going to take hard work and sacrifice to get out of the mess we've made.

At 4:39 PM, Blogger Ellis D., Esq. said...

Harley I think WE THE PEOPLE have sacrificed enough already. It's time for the 1 percenters to sacrifice a whole lot of their ill gotten wealth. Now that their pants are down and their cover is blown they will pull out all stops to save their sorry asses. A good start for us will be dismantling the Military Industrial Complex and freeing up trillions of wasted revenue that could be put to a positive use. Enough pissing away money on things that go boom. They can stick M80s up their asses if they need that type of rush !! The next step is PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCING to get the influence of money out of politics. Additionally WE THE PEOPLE need to organize constant general strikes and boycotts of good and services of the corporations that are fucking us over. Tomorrow we are taking our money out of Chase and putting it in a local credit union. We will then refinance our HELOC with the credit union also and be done with Bank of America too. We can beat these bastards if we organize and stick to the plan. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL it is really that simple !!

At 7:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WE THE PEOPLE have sacrificed enough already."

What have we the people sacrificed and to whom?

Our income to govt.?
Our freedoms to govt?
Our self reliance to govt?

Explain what you are claiming?

At 7:52 PM, Anonymous James said...

If OWS is ever really going to succeed and make deep sweeping changes to the U.S., we will have to win over the Tea Party and Conservatives in general. You cannot win a battle of such magnitude fighting with one arm behind your back.

When you see Liberals and Conservatives marching together in unison, then any thing is possible.

At 7:55 PM, Anonymous onese said...

“The least of my concerns, at the moment, is the politics of a year from now,” President Obama at G20 press conference.

How that for a pile of B.S?

At 8:10 PM, Anonymous Minnie Mouse said...

Anonymous, if you are so dim witted that you need Ellis to "explain" his comments, I can only say that he can explain it to you but he can't understand it for you. You are not working with a full deck. Give it up.

At 8:45 PM, Anonymous Smokey Lagumski said...

Its amazing how many dumb people were fooled by the charlatan we now have in the White House! Too many people just have shit for brains!

At 9:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

Old Chinese proverb

"Give a man subsidized housing, food stamps, internet access, and cell phone minutes every day; he will vote Democratic for a lifetime."

Old Democratic proverb

At 12:17 AM, Anonymous siack said...

Hey Minnie, how's our pal Goofy doing?
Didn't know Ellis couldn't speak for himself.. Guess that means he isn't man enough and has to send a female mouse out to carry his weight.

Could it be possible that you share with former man Eilis's belief that ""WE THE PEOPLE have sacrificed enough already."?
Care to share what have we the people sacrificed and to whom?

Our income to govt.?
Our freedoms to govt?
Our self reliance to govt?

Or are you so dim witted you really don't know what your talking about either? It's just what you "feel".

At 2:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

photos of some homes of the Occupy crowd.

At 1:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous Too said...

Hey Smokey L,

You said: Too many people just have shit for brains!

What about all of those clowns who are the GOP candidates?

At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Smokey Lagumski said...

hey al gore,

it sure was cold sleeping a few days without power due to that record breaking October snow storm! you can conveniently put that inconvient truth book up your ass! its amazing how many kool aid drinkers believe the crap coming out of your mouth!

At 8:48 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

If presidential elections meant anything, they'd be declared illegal. Obama was selected and systematically installed in 2008 by the oligarchical elite, and he got his marching orders long before inauguration day. Unless he truly screws up and defies their orders, he'll win reelection -- albeit in a squeaker, just so to maintain appearances of a democracy. But, right now, he's toeing the line. Corporatism, which is aiding and abetting predatory capitalism, is alive and well.

It's apparent to me that it's too late to go through the normal channels. Our democracy is dead, and the last vestiges of our once great nation have been hijacked and stolen, and then held ransom, by a force more sinister than any enemy we've ever faced as a nation. The protesters associated with the various Occupy movements around the country, and in other western nations abroad, either grasp or intuitively understand this. This is why their numbers continue to grow; this is why the movement will not dry up and wither away.

This shows very dramatically, that the evil side of capitalism can be as destructive and incendiary as the most unimaginable weapons of mass destruction. Adam Smith probably didn't give it any thought, or could possibly comprehend, the ruinous capabilities that financial free-reign, i.e.,"free markets", could, and would, have over secondary markets. It was most definitely Smith's greatest achievement to shift the burden of proof against those maintaining that the pursuit of self-interest does not necessarily achieve social good. When the financial s**t-storm finally hits, no further proof will be needed.

In my most recent post on No Corporate Rule, I highlighted Richard Grossman's article where he says that Occupy Wall Street activists need to speak out beyond greed and corruption and focus on usurpation; that is, the illegal seizure of power by the corporation, from the people, the 99% (which is you and me). To that end, he calls for the immediate taking back of that power through the criminalization of the corporation. He cites a hypothetical date of July 4, 2012. One commenter mentioned that this was a "tantalizing and bold remedy", and that's certainly true. But maybe bold remedies are what are needed right now.

At 9:54 AM, Anonymous James said...

Hey JG, That was an excellent post. I have come to same conclusions about Obama, the GOP is just going through the motions of running for President. They all know the outcome, just like McCain did in 08. When McCain gave his concession speech, he was beaming with joy that all the bullshit was over.

That was fantastic article you linked to, too bad people like the guy talking about Al Gore would never read it. He probably only trust Fox news and thinks every thing else is Liberal crap.

At 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He probably only trust (s) Fox news and thinks every thing else is Liberal crap."

Gasp, I agree, everything Liberal is crap.

At 1:38 PM, Anonymous isplog said...

Gallup Poll - US. Adults

Jan-Mar 2008 Jun-Aug 2011
Conservative 40% 42%
Moderate 38% 37%
Liberal 22% 21%


At 4:08 PM, Blogger Ellis D., Esq. said...

Yeah but what percentage of the people polled understand the policies supported by the followers of each label ?? So....define Liberal, define Moderate and define Conservative. The group with which one identifies does not always jive with one's political philosophy and beliefs. That is what you will find upon close scrutiny of this matter !! People are more issue by issue and don't have a blanket philosophy that covers every social and economic issue. The one steady characteristic of Conservatives is the belief in the need to control others behavior as we see from the comments in this blog !!

At 7:04 PM, Anonymous siack said...


Good to hear from you again!! Guess your ready to answer the question, "WE THE PEOPLE have sacrificed enough already."

Care to share what have we the people sacrificed and to whom?

Our income to govt.?
Our freedoms to govt?
Our self reliance to govt?

Minnie tried to cover for you but I just know your a man who can speak for himself and not hide behind a female mouse's skirts. Right?

At 9:49 PM, Blogger Mack Lyons said...

"Good to hear from you again!! Guess your ready to answer the question, "WE THE PEOPLE have sacrificed enough already."

Care to share what have we the people sacrificed and to whom?

Our income to govt.?
Our freedoms to govt?
Our self reliance to govt?"

Because government is the evil, Socialist entity that's really dragging Americans down, and if only the government would release its deadly nonproductive claws from the backs of the People™ will they begin to see any progress.

In other words, you're one of those trolls.

Funny how people who rant and rave about Socialism and the virtues of "small government" conveniently forget all about the military, law enforcement and penal system apparatii, and the trillions of dollars all three consume.

I'm beginning to think the idea government these clowns want is one modeled after Francisco Franco's, only with more nukes.

At 9:50 PM, Blogger Mack Lyons said...

"Minnie tried to cover for you but I just know your a man who can speak for himself and not hide behind a female mouse's skirts. Right?"

I bet you feel safe spouting your shit from the comfort of your computer.

At 10:12 PM, Anonymous siack said...

"I'm beginning to think the idea government these clowns want is one modeled after Francisco Franco's, only with more nukes."

WOW, you sure surprised me, I would have never guessed you could think.

"I bet you feel safe spouting your shit from the comfort of your computer."

Goodness, are you threatening me Mack Lyons? I bet you feel pretty safe doing so from the safety of your computer.

Looks like good ole Ellis cant answer the question for himself and has to get defense from doing so by threats from Mack and a skirt to hide behind from Minne.

In case anyone has forgot the reason for all this hate talk, it was a simple question to a statement Ellis made. Read up a few posts and you can see for yourself what caused all this hatred from the left to arise, again. They don't know what to do when they are asked questions to support their beliefs and positions.

So Mack, who do you think it is we the people have sacrificed and to whom have we made our sacrifice?

Our income to govt.?
Our freedoms to govt?
Our self reliance to govt?"

Or some group in black helicopters flown by pilots with big banker sounding last names like Uncle Scrooge McDuck?

At 10:55 PM, Anonymous James said...

It is too bad that there is not a single regular Conservative posting here. It seems just one troll is doing all the Conservative postings and trying to debate him is like talking to a schizophrenic. I will ignore him/it/them myself.

Hey Tom, why don't you go over to Red State and get some real Conservatives to start posting here.

At 6:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Tom, I find what is even much more troubling is the fact that there are thousands of people that support these candidates and even send them money. This is total proof that many of the humans that make up the usa are not intelligent enough to even be allowed to flush a toilet without guidance.
Ted Schroeder

At 2:57 PM, Blogger Harley A. said...

JG –

I don’t doubt there’s truth in the BofA article. The root cause is not economic theory – rather the cause is a more fundamental worldview issue. The cause is materialism, naturalism, secular humanism – call it what you want – that has increasingly been promoted in our universities. It is teaching men that man is the measure of all things. It is the downgrade of morality to an amoral Darwinian construct. We reap what we have sown. Welcome to the jungle.

At 3:48 AM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Harley A., you said...

"The cause is materialism, naturalism, secular humanism – call it what you want – that has increasingly been promoted in our universities."

What do you suggest, instead, should be promoted in the university setting?

At 10:04 AM, Blogger Harley A. said...

The same thing that should be promoted in any setting - search for the truth. Obviously, I am a Christian and I believe that is where the Truth in an ultimate sense is to be found.

Even so, I'm not saying universities should become seminaries. But, if we are going to promote a particular philosophy, be prepared to live with (and understand) the consequences. You cannot tell a man that there is no absolute morality, there is no ultimate accountability, and man is the measure of things and it not affect how he will behave.

As Dostoevsky said (I cannot remember the name of the work), "If there is no God, then I am God."

What I am trying to communicate is that I'm with you in a lot ways regarding the problems that exist. But would probably disagree on why they fundamentally exist and the effectiveness of "reforms".

At 12:05 PM, Blogger Jefferson's Guardian said...

Harley A., you replied with...

"What I am trying to communicate is that I'm with you in a lot ways regarding the problems that exist. But would probably disagree on why they fundamentally exist and the effectiveness of 'reforms'."

Harley, I appreciate your candidness. Regarding the "why" these problems exist and persist, beyond the usual political and policy rhetoric, I believe can only be answered by each individual. Each person's cumulative experiences have led them to where they are today - politically, socially, economically, spiritually, etc., etc. We're all products of our environment, not to mention our genetic heritage. Why the 1% clamor that their wealth is never enough; the religious, that their faith is the only legitimate grace of god; or me, for example, expounding that corporatism is the most insidious threat to our democratic values in this country, is all a mystery. But ultimately, we all come to the truth in different ways, and at different times. It's the stark reality of our humanness.


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