Polarized in New Hampshire
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These are strange days indeed. If you want to really understand the ideological divide that plagues the American political conversation, one needs to look no further than the results of yesterday's New Hampshire primary.
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I really do hope that Bernie Sanders is nominated at the convention this summer. All this talk about how the American people would never elect a gruff, Jewish guy from Vermont who speaks with a New York accent and buys his clothes off the rack doesn't hold much weight with me. That's what a lot of people said about a young black guy from Chicago when he had the audacity to announce his run for the White House nine years ago this month. "It'll never happen", they said. It happened. And are you ready for the punchline? He turned out to be a pretty decent chief executive. He could have been a little better for my money, but in the final analysts, Barack Obama was the right person for the job at that point in history. I've never regretted casting my vote for the man - not for a second.
I'm a realist. I understand that Hillary Clinton has the money and the power to eventually send Bernie back to the senate; I don't know how he's going to come through Super Tuesday without being beaten badly. He has too much of an uphill struggle - but I can dream, can't I? Perhaps his win last night in the granite state was a fluke, a tip of the hat to a favorite old uncle from neighboring Vermont. We shall see. Stranger things have happened.
The fact of the matter is that I just don't trust Hillary Clinton. That is not to say she would be a terrible president, it's just that I know that her attorney general - not unlike Eric Holder - will not be prosecuting the Wall Street bastards who have made a sport out of plundering the American economy these past thirty-plus years. It would be an entirely different scenario with Bernie in the White House. Hillary is a good woman, and no serious person doubts her intellect. But as a progressive her credentials suck. If she is the nominee I'll be voting for her come Election Day, what other choice will I have? Look for me at the polls; I'll be the one holding my nose.
Bernie is the only candidate for national office - since Franklin Roosevelt eighty-four years ago - with the courage to say the things that need to be said, things the people of this doomed country need to hear. In fact, in many ways he's gone beyond FDR. Frankie never came out in favor of gay marriage. Can you imagine if he had? That would have been interesting to say the least.
On the GOP side, things this week have been as bleak as they can possibly be: Ted Cruz in Iowa, followed by Donald Trump in New Hampshire: Two candidates so laughably extreme that the suits at the Republican National Committee are in complete and utter despair. As has been noted on this site a number of times in the recent past, these two guys are the price the GOP is paying for courting a class of voter in recent years that had historically been ignored by both parties: I refer to the terminally insane. Cruz is so completely loathed by his fellow Republicans that there is now serious talk among the party's movers and shakers to throw their support behind Trump for no other reason than to deny Teddy Boy the nomination. This is a party wallowing in pathos. Their biggest concern is that Cruz would lose them both the House and the Senate when he's beaten senseless at the polls in November. On MSNBC's Morning Joe today, Chris Matthews remarked that a potential Cruz administration would send America to "a very dark place". The man is a master of understatement.
These sure are interesting times.
I am beside myself with joy pondering the fact that I will be an eyewitness to the strangest year in American political history. Extremism in the defense of Librium. As Hunter Thompson once said, "It still hasn't gotten weird enough for me".
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED READING:
This essay by Thomas B. Edsall appeared in this morning's New York Times. It's well worth your time:
What About Ted Cruz?
Like the old song says, "Life could be a dream....Sh-boom!"
Bernie is the only candidate for national office - since Franklin Roosevelt eighty-four years ago - with the courage to say the things that need to be said, things the people of this doomed country need to hear. In fact, in many ways he's gone beyond FDR. Frankie never came out in favor of gay marriage. Can you imagine if he had? That would have been interesting to say the least.
On the GOP side, things this week have been as bleak as they can possibly be: Ted Cruz in Iowa, followed by Donald Trump in New Hampshire: Two candidates so laughably extreme that the suits at the Republican National Committee are in complete and utter despair. As has been noted on this site a number of times in the recent past, these two guys are the price the GOP is paying for courting a class of voter in recent years that had historically been ignored by both parties: I refer to the terminally insane. Cruz is so completely loathed by his fellow Republicans that there is now serious talk among the party's movers and shakers to throw their support behind Trump for no other reason than to deny Teddy Boy the nomination. This is a party wallowing in pathos. Their biggest concern is that Cruz would lose them both the House and the Senate when he's beaten senseless at the polls in November. On MSNBC's Morning Joe today, Chris Matthews remarked that a potential Cruz administration would send America to "a very dark place". The man is a master of understatement.These sure are interesting times.
I am beside myself with joy pondering the fact that I will be an eyewitness to the strangest year in American political history. Extremism in the defense of Librium. As Hunter Thompson once said, "It still hasn't gotten weird enough for me".
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED READING:
This essay by Thomas B. Edsall appeared in this morning's New York Times. It's well worth your time:
What About Ted Cruz?
Like the old song says, "Life could be a dream....Sh-boom!"
posted by Tom Degan @ 11:49 AM
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67 Comments:
Tom,
What are your thoughts about Bill Clinton saying that Sander's plans are unaffordable?
Chuck/JustTheFacts:
What are your thoughts on the Pew Research poll in 2015 revealing only 23% of Americans identify as Republicans?
You can use either name to answer. Whatever makes you most comfortable.
Tom,
You are losing your consistency here. On one hand you say you don't trust Hillary and then go on to say she would essentially make a good president and she's intelligent. Have to disagree here, in my mind untrustworthy people are not smart nor presidential and I apply this to both sides of the aisle.
Hope all's well,
Tom V.
New Hampshire sends the message that at least half of the Democratic primary voters no longer trust the DNC Junior Corporatist Party's business as usual.
New Hampshire also shows us a large portion of Republican primary voters no longer trust the RNC Senior Corporatist Party's business as usual.
The unifying concept here is obvious. The American people are sick of the same old corrupt business as usual from both parties.
The good news is a greater percentage of Americans agree with Sanders' pro-democracy, anti-corruption views over Trump's racist and nationalistic anti-corruption views.
http://www.juancole.com/2015/05/mainstream-bernie-sanders.html
"How Mainstream is Bernie Sanders?"
Tom Degan: "If [Hillary Clinton] is the nominee I'll be voting for her come Election Day, what other choice will I have? Look for me at the polls; I'll be the one holding my nose."
Tom, I stopped holding my nose years ago. I convinced myself not to vote for either the senior wing of the Corporatist Party, or the junior wing of the Corporatist Party. Voting for either wing, I'd be voting against my own self-interests -- and those of the preponderance of middle- and working-class people in this country.
My question for you: Why in the world would you want to do that?...again, and again?...
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~~~ attributed to Albert Einstein, US physicist (1879 - 1955)
Dear Mr. Degan: I take issue with your statement that HRC may not be such a bad President. Her judgment is atrocious. She supported the Keystone pipeline. She supports TPP. She supports every war that comes her way. Her speeches to Goldman were so pro Wall Street that her current supposedly progressive stands should make her nose grow by at least six feet. She's as slimy as Monica's navy dress. I for one, will vote for Bernie in the primary and will write him in if it comes to that. If the progressive community does not take a stand now, it never will. Yes, the fear of a right win nut cake as #45 exists, but every poll shows Bernie besting HRC against every potential Republican basket case. Besides, if one of the asylum dwellers of the Republican party is ultimately successful, they will be quickly ousted by a real progressive in 2020. Go Bernie, go!
Boy Troll, give up. No one takes you seriously.
There's only one commenter here who attacks Mozart on a regular basis, calling him an idiot, etc. It doesn't matter whether he attacks Mozart as "Chuck Morre" or "Just The Facts" or "Sore Loser" or "anonymous" it's just fucking tiresome.
SoreLoser, why don't you find a hobby? Or maybe a hubby?
If you have not noticed this is his hobby. Nobody posts here more than SL, unfortunately he is only posting at a forth grade level and a dimwitted one at that. Look at all of his posts in the last thread, they are basically all nonsense.
He likes to see his words on the screen like an infant is proud of his feces floating in the toilet bowel and we are forced to look at them also.
You are not much of a judge of presidents are you Tom? Obama will be remembered like Carter. A nice, but ineffective president. Settling for 2nd is why we are in the mess we are in. So vote for Bernie, another president that will get nothing done, and if you think the Republican majority will let Clinton get anything done, then you have really misunderstood where Washington politics are at. No surprise.
For the record, I am posting under name of Chuck Morre not that it matters. Anyone posting here without a hyperlink is stupid.
As far as Mozart goes I'd like to remind Hansen, if there really is a Hansen, that it was you who said that Mozart was not the sharpest pencil in the box and that he was wrong. I believe it is Hansen who is posting as anonymous, Smokey, Confused Progressive, or any name with out a hyper link.
I challenge him to prove different.
Ah, the bald faced LIE:
I believe it is Hansen who is posting as anonymous, Smokey, Confused Progressive, or any name with out a hyper link.
I challenge Just the Confused Smokey Chuck to "prove different".
What he really believes is he's fooling people with his distraction, deflections, and deceptions.
What a grammar impaired, reality impaired, ethics impaired, and honesty impaired simpleton.
Just what the GOP loves.
"TOM"
Obama is already being hailed by historians as SUCCESSFUL" and THAT in spite of unprecidented obstruction from your heroes on the right. I know that galls conservatives who are DESPARATE to see him (and thus AMerica) fail. Think of what could have been accomplished if the GOP congress had DONE THEIR JOBS instead of blocking everything just because Obama wants it and wasting BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars on their petulent hissy fits? How many times have they voted to repeal Obamacare now,60? WHat did Rafael Cruz Gov't shutdown cost us?
"Party of fiscal responsibility" my ass.
What a grammar impaired, reality impaired, ethics impaired, and honesty impaired simpleton.
Just what the GOP loves.
He is their base. Quite a recipe! All the honesty of Cruz, the decency of Trump, the cluelessness of Carly plus a dessert-whip topping of Santorum's religiosity.
Stir ingredients thoroughly and let sit until rancid. And you have ChuckSoreLoserJustTheFacts Pie.
Serves the 1%.
Mozart,
Thanks for proving how stupid and partisan you are. I am a liberal and have been since before you were born, so take your echo chamber brick wall thinking and stuff it. Judging me a conservative because I say Republicans won't let Bernie get anything done, just shows how dumb and entrenched in partisan politics you are. Try a little independent thinking instead of just spewing liberal talking points. Historians have NOT declared Obama a success. He hasn't even left office yet. You might be referring to your liberal mouth pieces, not serious historians.
DD,
I've gone through this with you before on how to check by location where someone is posting from, so you would know that I live in eastern Missouri. And like today, I sometimes travel to north Texas I've given you my ip as has Harry and they are not the same.
So it doesn't take a lot to find out when I post and when someone else that you disagree with posts, the maps prove it. Why else would I know you live in east MI and Mozart lives in eastern IA. You chose to believe what you do because of your feelings, not facts.
If you really wanted the truth you would be using what is provided you instead of what you chose to do, and that is to stay in the darkness of ignorance. But it's a lot easier to make a issue out who is saying what vs what they are saying, I guess that's because you have nothing to counter what they post.
Boy Troll, post some facts for a change and we'll see.
"Tom" How do you know how old I am? If you were a Liberal since "before I was born" you must be old indeed. And yes, historians are already calling Obama a "success" because of Obamacare, the PEACEFUL soulutin in Iran, and the growing economy.
Obama got stuff done in SPITE of the GOP and Sanders, providing the GOP manages to CHEAT their way to retaining congress, will just do the same.
If you don't vote for Sanders if he get's the nomination, you are essentially voting for the GOP candidate. I will CERTAINLY vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination.
ANYONE BUT A REPUBLICAN!!! TWO SCOTUS seat may open up and we can't have conservatives in charge of the entire government. They will turn us into a middle eastern nation.
Chuckie can lie all he wants. It's his MO, just like every Republican shill. Anyone subscribing to that thread in December has two identical posts from two of Chuckie's identities.
I'm happy to send a screen print to anyone who believes a proven liar over me.
That line should be quite short.
Trolls lie and spew hate. The darkness has claimed another soul. Not that he was ever enlightened.
DD.
Every republican shill lies? Prove it!
Everything I said in my post is true, it is you who is a shill, a shill for socialism a shill for big govt.
It is you that is living a lie
Mozart,
Your best post yet! While I disagree with it, it's reasoned from a liberal point. Even your belief that the only way the GOP can win is by cheating is normal for a liberal. It helps ease the pain when you lose to believe the other side cheated instead of the other side had more people beliving them than your side. It helps with disappointment I get it. Some people drink, others do as you do, believe you lost because of cheating.
Quick question, what part of the housing market and bank failures in 2008 were due to the repeal of Glass Steagall Act by Bill Clinton?
Mozart,
Your best post yet! While I disagree with it, it's reasoned from a liberal point. Even your belief that the only way the GOP can win is by cheating is normal for a liberal. It helps ease the pain when you lose to believe the other side cheated instead of the other side had more people beliving them than your side. It helps with disappointment I get it. Some people drink, others do as you do, believe you lost because of cheating.
Quick question, what part of the housing market and bank failures in 2008 were due to the repeal of Glass Steagall Act by Bill Clinton?
Chuck,I noticed you did not bring up the pencil comment, are you going to use it after Mozart replies to you?
By the way are you still proud of your feces?
Are you real Hansen or just a figment of DD's imagination?
Chuck (Just The Facts), you're incompetent trying to spoof this blog. Your behavior here (dishonesty, stupidity, incompetence) can be seen as a microcosm of the GOP:
In the weeks before Christmas 2014, Kevin Grifka received a letter from the state of Michigan, claiming he fraudulently collected $12,000 in unemployment benefits.
Grifka, an electrician who lives in metro Detroit, had his entire federal income tax refund garnished by the Michigan unemployment insurance agency (UIA). In the midst of the holiday season, he was faced with repaying a five-figure sum.
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But Grifka hadn’t actually committed insurance fraud. He was one of thousands of people, many out of work, wrongly charged by an automated unemployment insurance fraud detection system that began in 2013 under Michigan governor Rick Snyder.
Officials have at least partially conceded the program had problems: last month, the state revealed in a court filing that it quietly scaled back the $47m program, in the wake of intense media scrutiny. Now, all determinations are reviewed and issued by employees, a spokesperson told the Guardian.
Here's the article you're too stupid to read:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/12/michigan-unemployment-insurance-benefit-automated-system-fraud-penalties
Hi Hansen,
Nice to read your alter ego post.
Chuck (just the facts):
It appears that the candidate who will reveal 'The Face Of God', made an oversight:
MSNBC: Softcore porn actress appears in yanked Cruz ad - Ted Cruz's campaign is halting a new ad hitting Marco Rubio because the spot features an actress who has appeared in softcore pornographic films, as reported by BuzzFeed.
Chuck, you're probably not familiar with her, since you restrict yourself to hardcore porn.
Have you seen Sore Loser lately? You both volunteer at the same time for the USO. Surely your paths have crossed. Say hi!
Looks like Hansen is no longer posting under his supposed real name.
Wonder what his take on the way Bernie and Clinton are discribing how awful the last seven years have been
Guess they forgot who has been president during those years
Multiple people attack Mozart; he's just a simp. There isn't one attacker, there are many of us. Mmmmwaahhhhhh. We're here to take back this site for people with some semblance of brains.
Anonymous 6:18 PM, your mom is calling you. Better get upstairs, I think she wants another foot massage.
What?
Two Hansen's posting counter positions on the same subject!
This calls for tough legislation.
Anonymous 6:21. No. That was your Mom. I'm on my way.
Chuck, you must be pretty desperate if you want to talk to me. You should know I only post under my real full name, why would I want to be like you.
This place is getting too chaotic and confusing for me, and a waste of time also. Maybe I will stop by in six months.
"We're here to take back this site for people with some semblance of brains." says the dumbfuck.
I guess that's what you meant by "Mmmmwaahhhhhh"?
Great, this blog is going to get even dumber than it is.
Are you sure you're allowed to use a computer? Doesn't that violate the terms of your parole?
Hansen,
You'll be around, you'll just post as anonymous or Smokey.
You'll be around, you'll just post as anonymous or Smokey.
Projection:
Projection is the misattribution of a person’s undesired thoughts, feelings or impulses onto another person who does not have those thoughts, feelings or impulses.
Care to explain DD how come you are the expert on projection?
Projecting much yourself.
Chuck Just The Facts
You don't even make sense anymore.
I'm certain you're not allowed around children. Please don't bullshit us that you foster anyone.
Chuckie, the 2000 (Bush selected by SCOTUS) and the 2004 (Bush wins because of Daddy's special voting mahines)
Gerrymandering.
Disenfranchising voters.
Now tell us the GOP does not CHEAT.
AND TELL US WHAT THE GOP HAS DONE FOR THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS THE LAST 40 YEARS.
Hallelujah!!!! Scalia's dead!
Thaqnks for proving me correct Mozart. Your silence and non-response to my question proves I was correct and you are nothing but a fucking idiot.
“There are – there are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a less – a slower-track school where they do well.
“One of – one of the briefs pointed out that – that most of the – most of the black scientists in this country don’t come from schools like the University of Texas. They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they’re – that they’re being pushed ahead in – in classes that are too fast for them.”
- Scalia
Good riddance to bad rubbish
Examples of compassionate liberal socialists progressive Democrats will be seen as they respond to news of the death of Scalia.
Prove him wrong.
And how would you expect us to react to the death of one of the most evil corrupt judges ever to wear a robe? (And I'll bet the one he wore at night was WHITE)
"Tom" Sore loser, Boy troll". Ask a serious question.
I'll consider yours when Chucky grows a pair and answers mine.
WHAT HAVE CONSERVATIVES/REPUBLICANS DONE FOR THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS THE LAST 40 YEARS?
Answer that HONESTLY, and we'll see how it goes.
Maybe I can answer IMPORTANT questions like explaining the difference between a Democrat and a Progressive. Sheesh...
You are the one who claimed you knew historians who called Obama a successful president, so it's an important question brought on by your lying claim. No surprise you can't answer it, because your claim is a lie. Enjoy your delusion Mozart
Now for some fun watching the "pro-Constitution" radical Right Republicans do their best to obstruct the President's Constitutional duty to replace Scalia.
They want to dismantle the Supreme Court until they win the White House.
"Values". "Patriotism". "Constitution".
These words mean nothing to the sociopaths and hypocrites on the far Right. All they want is their one-party dictatorship, more war, tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and more destructive de-regulation of Wall Street and big business.
They must repeat their FAILED policies, because that is all they have.
Here comes the attack on how unfair the Republicans are going to be about confirming a Democratic Supreme Court nominee. Where do they get their attitude from?
Maybe they remember being incensed by uncle Joe (the head of the Judiciary Committee then) bringing in Anita Hill, and a coke can with pubic hair; or how uncle Joe started the term "Borked" because of his treatment of a Republican nominee for the court. I'm tired of being told how only the Republicans play these games. Chuck Grassley is the head of the Judiciary Committee now, and the Constitution sets no time limit for the Congress to confirm, or deny.
what failed polices DD?
Care to list them?
Liberal, progressive socialists democrats determine the success of their policy not by the number of people who due to the policy no longer need it, but by the increase in the number of people each year who need it.
Odd.
Yeah, TOM the Troll.
Those nasty Dems tried to block the appointment of a sexist asshole, with a wife who profits from his decisions, who has contributed next to NOTHING on the bench.
Now for the false equivalence. This was NOT the same as shutting down the confirmation process entirely, until the next Republican president.
IOKIYAR to shut down the government in a hissy fit tantrum, and to deny and delay the Constitutional appointment and shut down the court for a year. The Democrats never attempted such travesties and abnegations of governing, and insult to the words of the Constitution.
the Constitution sets no time limit for the Congress to confirm, or deny.
And how has that worked out for an undermined Federal bench? GOP obstruction is unprecedented. Justice delayed is justice denied. But IOKIYAR.
So it's ok to deny and delay the Supreme Court itself, indefinitely, until the next GOP president?
Unprecedented, but IOKIYAR, amirite?
"tired of being told how only the Republicans play these games". Then why not be tired of Republicans playing their games of shutting down the federal government, and de-regulating Wall Street, and cutting food stamps so the rich can get more tax breaks?
How about those Republican games where an entire city population is poisoned by lead in the water?
I suppose this too is OKIYAR. Let me guess. "Both sides do it."
Brilliant insight.
Speaking of partisan hacks:
what failed polices DD?
Care to list them?
More proof asshole trolls don't read.
Dave the partisan troll
They haven't done anything yet crybaby troll.
You live in quite a delusion believing only Republicans play hardball games, but then you have proven your partisanship is deep, wrong, hate filled, and delusional. Both sides do do it. The fact you can't swallow that only shows how stupid you are. The fact you believe Hill without proof only shows what a slime ball you are.
They haven't done anything yet
This is their intention.
And this applies only for the appointment of Scalia's replacement. Your grasp of history is feeble false equialance on the other points.
Both sides do do it.
Like I called it.
Tell us oh, enlightened one, when did the Democrats shut down the federal government?
So believing Thomas is politically correct, but believing a woman is "slime ball"?
Hoookayyy. We got your number, sport.
Dave the idiot believes uncle Joe when he says Hill had a coke can with pubic hair on it, of course no evidence of that. And accuses Republicans of something they haven't done yet, even if that accusation is perfectly legal under our system. What a dumb FK! Laughable!
TOM Morre says:
"And accuses Republicans of something they haven't done yet,"
Only someone as obtuse as Chuckie would fail to admit the accusation was "shutting down the government".
They did.
And now they plan to obstruct the appointment process.
"The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.” - Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
Looks like Just The Smokey Chuck Morre has added a new "friend" called TOM.
Asshole liar.
DD,
If you are so wrong, so misguided on so many different things, it's laughable.
Try to defeat TOM's argument instead of making a big deal out of TOM might be would be the first step in lending a smidgen of creditablity to your position. But it's clear to all of us who have read your posts over the past years that if you are good at anything it's spouting the party line talking point of the day, putting words into the mouths of others, thereby avoiding being held the least bit accountable for what you post.
And now in advance to your current favorite retort of the day, " project much Davy"?
"TOM" (Boy Troll) when I want yourt opinion, I'll give it to you. You clearly have none of your own. Obama is considered an overwheliming sucess worldwide, so it's obvious historians will see him that way. The ONLY place he's a failure is in the minds of the 15-20% of Americans who follow the feces throwers on Fox and AM talk radio.
Now, Chuckie...WHAT HAS THE GOP DONE FOR THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS THE LAST 40 YEARS?
What's up TOM Smokey C. Morre?
Just like Smokey Chuck, "TOM" fails to state the lie or any evidence supporting his wacky accusations.
Hateful much?
Even his profile is not available. Looks like TOM Smokey C. Morre has something to hide.
Big surprise.
Note how Chuckie uses all caps for "TOM" in his first post.
Just like "TOM" himself. Coincidence?
I report, you decide.
Notice how stupid David is to think typing a persons name as they do isn't a sign of respect but some conspiracy.
Notice how Dave still hasn't told us what he thinks of Bill Clinton's statement that we can not afford Bernies socialist plans?
Notice how Dave still can't talk issues but can only focus on who' s posting what under what name.
One would think he was in law enforcement if they didn't know to be so required a higher IQ than he has
Notice how Smokey "TOM" Morre still can't accept the fact republicans shut down the government, an accurate statement, and says "Both parties do it", as he accused me of lying.
Go ahead, Smokey TOM Morre, all ya got is to call me names. Your ideas fall and fail. Your accusations are the inane and groundless sputum of a weak mind, hateful heart, and diseased soul.
Look at Chuckie squirm and slither to defend Smokey "TOM" Morre.
I wonder why?
LOL!!
What a fricken fascist cult of hate and ignorance filled, con-servative drones and zombies! And this asshole is the rule, not the exception to their kind.
Look at Dave home alone on Valentine's Day.
Chuck Morre: "Look at Dave home alone on Valentine's Day."
And you weren't?! ;-)
I only mention this because you inferred that since Dave was wasting his time conversing with you on Valentine's Day, that he didn't have anybody home with him. Did you ever think that the same could be thought about you?
Do you see the irony here?
JG,
Smokey TOM Morre has proven repeatedly that he cannot think.
JG
I was at the hospital using my IPad to send messages while waiting the birth of my new grand daughter, born on Valentine's Day @ 3:09a.m.
Far from being alone like Dave is, I was with loved ones celebrating the arrival of a new Conservative into the world!
Mozart:
Obama is already being hailed by historians as SUCCESSFUL" and THAT in spite of unprecidented obstruction from your heroes on the right.
Smokey TOM Morre:
Thanks for proving how stupid and partisan you are. I am a liberal and have been since before you were born,.. Historians have NOT declared Obama a success.
Turns out Mozart was correct. Obama is recognized by historians as successful. They may differ on what successful means, and they will also point out his failures.
Smokey TOM Morre is spewing hate and ignorance as usual.
Here 53 Historians Weigh In on Barack Obama’s Legacy
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/53-historians-on-obamas-legacy.html
When compared to Bush’s dereliction of duty to act against al-Qaeda before 9-11, the foolish war for crony profit and spawning of ISIS in Iraq, the financial collapse of 2008 and the Great Bush Recession, obviously Obama is more successful.
I can’t wait until Smokey TOM Morre explains to his grandchild why he has to witness catastrophic climate change, and live under neo-feudal global corporate rule. “You see lad, we con-servatives have values and principles that reject science and democracy, and embrace one-party rule and corporate greed. You are the lucky ones to live with the consequences… And if anything makes you upset or angry, just blame liberals. You'll thank me later."
Awww, poor witto Smokey TOM Morre is angry and name calling again.
Just. Like. Chuckie.. and Harry, and Just the Facts, etc. ....
That's a lot of anger at me from a "liberal", amirtie?
Who does this fool think he's fooling?
Quite laughable, indeed.
Smokey TOM's grandchild will have some interesting questions for the old thug.
You started the name calling fag boy. If you can't handle it you shouldn't start it. Of course since your life is only this blog, you have to keep repeating yourself and falsely believe you win the mud sling contest HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU are why Tom's site sucks, Now back to your false historians HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
This from the idiot who claimed I am a conservative just because I complain about what Obama has done. Typical shit from a brainwashed talking point spewer of garbage and immature political discussion. Telling of Tom that he fosters these idiots to produce nothing but a fight blog by idiots. Laughable! Also funny these idiots think I'm more than one person, because of course, their couldn't possible be more than one person who thinks your hate filled garbage is bullshit. Laughable, but thanks for proving me correct!
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