Poppy's Revenge
George H.W. Bush
Assessing the administration of the halfwit from Crawford, Texas
This cannot be good....
Let me rephrase that:
For my purposes this is very, VERY good indeed. Poppy Bush - AKA King George I, AKA George the Elder, AKA George Herbert Walker Bush - has spilled some very nasty tasting beans. After nearly fifteen years of relative silence on the subject of his moronic kid's disastrous administration, the old man is finally letting loose regarding what he really thinks about All the Idiot's Men - or at the very least two of those men.
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It sure must be an awful thing being Poppy Bush these days. Let's face some uncomfortable facts: the poor old bugger is not terribly far from the grave - and he is being forced to shuffle off into eternity haunted by the knowledge that little Georgie has forever soiled the "good" name of the Family Bush. George H.W. Bush will be historically remembered - not in his own right - but as the father of the most corrupt and incompetent chief-executive in the history of human folly. That very fact alone must grate on the guy's conscience. A few years ago, not long before King George II left the White House, the father was speaking in front of a fairly substantial gathering of people somewhere, talking about his other son, Jeb. All of the sudden, and without a smidgeon of warning, the old man broke into wrenching sobs.
I don't have much of a history of compassion for any member of that disgusting family, but I must confess that, at that moment and for the only time in my life, my heart went out to George H.W. Bush. I knew then what he must have been feeling: The wrong son made it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Junior made such a fucking mess of things, and now Jeb's candidacy is being dashed to oblivion - partly because of his father's outburst - but mostly, I believe, because of the legacy of his idiotic older brother. This would be really sad if it weren't do gut-bustingly funny.
It's not too difficult to figure out what Poppy Bush's biggest regret must be. Ironically it was he, after all, who commissioned Dick Cheney to head a task force that was charged with the mission of finding a suitable running mate for young Georgie after he won the GOP nomination in the summer of 2000. Can you imagine the sleep he's lost over the years just contemplating the ramifications of that decision? I've always had a good laugh imagining what that conversation must have sounded like:
CHENEY: Well, George, after searching high and low, we've finally found the ideal running mate for you!
DUBYA: That's great, Dick! Who is it?
CHENEY: You're not gonna believe it - IT'S ME!
DUBYA: Whoa! What're the odds!
Sixteen years after he announced his candidacy, it still boggles the mind how shockingly stupid George Dubya Bush was. We're talkin' dark comedy at it's darkest here.
"There's a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks....I think he paid a price for that."
Both Cheney and Rumsfeld's responses were telling. In an interview on Fox Noise, referring to a quote in the Meacham interview where the elder Bush refers Cheney an "iron ass", the former vice-president said, "I took it as a point of pride". Rumsfeld implied that the former president was senile - maybe even brain-damaged: "Bush 41 is getting up there in years", he said. Nice.
What is even more incredible is the fact that, while H.W. feels complete and utter contempt toward Dickie and Donnie for the damage done to his son's administration (and the entire planet) via Iraq, he has nothing but praise for little Georgie for invading the country in the first place. Weird. Perhaps an argument can indeed be made for senility.
For every month that goes by, it becomes more and more apparent what a dreadful national miscalculation it was on the part of the American electorate in sending these assholes to Washington sixteen years ago. The happiest news of the last month is the fact that Jeb Bush's quest for the White House is all but dead. Anyone who makes the foolish argument that George's slightly brighter younger brother would be a different type of president hasn't been paying attention. They're two sides of the same counterfeit coin. As governor of Florida, Jeb Bush was about as extreme as they come. Only since his brother vacated the executive mansion has he sought to "moderate" his positions. I hope we never again fall for that "compassionate conservatism" jazz.
As you're no doubt aware, warped syntax runs in that family. When asked about his father's views the other day, Jeb remarked that maybe the old man wants "to create a different narrative, perhaps, just because that's natural to do."
Perhaps. Which begs the musical question: Who creates "a different narrative" out of stark reality? The answer to that question is this: someone who has lost his or her reason, that's who. A simple "no comment" would have sufficed, Jeb. Seriously.
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There are many of us whom, out of thin air, would just love to create "a different narrative". I know I would if I could. Here it is: Al Gore is inaugurated president on January 20, 2001. That's a "different narrative" that I - and over five thousand American soldiers, and as many as a million Iraqi men, woman and little children - could live with. Sadly, alternate narratives of historical realities are a luxury we will never have.
In the quote at the top of this piece of Poppy criticizing Dick Cheney, he said, that in the final analysis, "It's the president's fault." He was wrong. The fault, dear voters, lies not in our president, but in ourselves.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED READING
by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubois
I recently read this one for the third time. The best book ever written about the catastrophe of the Bush years - which were only half way over when it was published in 2005. Tragically, she would not live to write its sequel. I sure do miss Molly Ivins.
UPDATE, 11/14/15, 7:24 AM:
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I love Paris:
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There are no words. I'm speechless this morning.
posted by Tom Degan @ 3:02 AM
180 comments
180 Comments:
"But it's not Cheney's fault. It's the president's fault."
Well, well. A Bush blaming another Bush. The poor extremists will have to chew on that, or more likely ignore it, as they howl at liberals for blaming the Shrub for his multiple disasters, blunders, and crappy policies.
But fear not, IOKIYAR! We know the rules by now.
This in from Politico:
“Fool me once, won’t get fooled again”. GWB
Wrong again. THREE times he was warned of attack. THREE times he did NOTHING.
From ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’
“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming.
July 10, 2001:
…Tenet vividly recalls the White House meeting with Rice and her team. (George W. Bush was on a trip to Boston.) “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’"
End of July:
“They're coming here.” - CIA Al Qaeda unit, Richard Blee
And they kicked counter Terrorism adviser Richard Clarke out of cabinet meetings...
Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done? Closed airports, sealec our bordres (something we won't do now!)
What would have happened if Clinton have taken or killed Bin Laden?
We will never know, because he didn't do anything!
Meanwhile in TODAY's news
Friday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” President Barack Obama seemingly downplayed the threat of ISIS in an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that aired on Friday’s broadcast of “Good Morning America.”
Stephanopoulos asked Obama if ISIS was gaining in strength, to which Obama denied they were.
“I don’t think they’re gaining strength,” Obama responded. “What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq, and in Syria they’ll come in, they’ll leave, but you don’t see this systemic march by ISIL across the terrain."
60 killed in Paris by terrorist. French authorities have launched a terrorism investigation, Eric Pelletier, a reporter with Le Pariesien, tells CNN Paul Cruickshank. There has been no official claim for responsibility, though ISIS has applauded the attacks on Twitter, Cruickshank reports.
What does France do?? They close their borders. Amazing, they do what any country would do, yet we under the democrats do nothing about the invasion of our borders by illegals. They claim it's impossible to remove 11 million illegals. Would they Democrats make the same claim if 11 million American citizens refused to pay their federal income tax? Hell no, they would find some way to round up those tax dodgers.
Why can the same be done with illegals?
MEANWHILE: The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has nearly 1,000 active probes involving the terrorist group Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) inside the United States, dozens of law enforcement officials disclose in a letter to President Obama.
How very interesting that liberal apologists always bring up GWB when Obama's claims are proven to be questionable.
Final note, how strict are the gun control, laws in France? How are they working so far?
Hurry up Nov 2016!!
chuck's repeated questions: "Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done? Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done? Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done? Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done?"
Uh... requiring reinforced cockpit doors?
Nah... that'd be an unfair government intrusion on private industry, I suppose. Can't cut into the profits.
So between 8/6 and 9/11 how many cockpit doors would have reinforced?
According to Davy, the Intel was "‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’"
Missed the part about cockpit doors needing to be reinforced cause the attacks were going to use hijacked airplanes.
But what the heck, can't let a little common sense disrupt the talking points of the We Hate GWB club. He should have known.
Right.
Hurry up NOV 2016
So between 8/6 and 9/11 how many cockpit doors would have reinforced?
Ralph Nader was calling for reinforced cockpit doors in the 1970s.
From Politico:
The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’”
(Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.)
And Donald Trump said in a book there would be another attack on the World Trade Center while Clinton was in office. Maybe Clinton should have captured or killed Bin laden when he could have. Or maybe Carter should have put the doors in that Nader wanted, or Clinton?
Can't answer the question of how many doors would have been fixed in a month can you?
Is that the best you can do?
Pathetic loser.
I enjoy reading your comments, "Chuck Morre" (soreloser) It's funny to see you call someone a pathetic loser.
Quite a few doors can be fixed in a month. This is America. We can accomplish big things in this country. We put a man on the moon.
And of course if a law had been passed in the 1970s... nah, not worthy of discussion.
I also can't wait for November 2016. Can't wait to read your comments on election day. We'll be treated to a million "Hillary Clintoon" comments, under a variety of pseudonyms when HRC is sworn in.
You're a well-fed troll, Chuck. You should thank Tom, because you would have been banned years ago on any other progressive blog.
Harry, you share Chuck's obsession with prison guards. Great minds must think alike.
Especially when they come from the same diseased brain.
What will our JV President with no fucking balls do about ISIS? Nothing but give a smooth speech while blowing smoke up our asses.
LONDON — The U.S. military is reasonably certain that an American drone strike in Syria killed the Islamic State executioner known as “Jihadi John,” an official said Friday as British and U.S. officials seek to confirm the details of the attack.
Speaking in Baghdad, Army Col. Steven Warren, a U.S. military spokesman, told reporters that Thursday’s U.S. drone attack hit its intended target and people were killed.
Harry, (chuck) why do you belittle our military? And our prison guards? Are you a communist?
"Quite a few". And just how sure are you that the hijacked planes would be ones whose doors were fixed? Is this the best you can do?
If ands and buts
Pathetic, you are out of your league, come back when your big boy pants fit
Hurry up Nov 2016
Gee, Chuck, how about grounding whatever plane doesn't reinforce their cockpit? Quite an incentive for the airline industry.
You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you SoreLoser?
Gotta Love Chucky holding onto the MYTH that Clinton had a real shot at bin Laden. Any road to blaming someone else for Bush's crimes and ineptitude I guess.
I also see the Boy troll is still here.
Yes Boy Troll they were Muslims, probably ISIS which was created when Bush overthrew Iraq. Or it could be Al Queda, created by Reagan.
You choose.
Mozart
Couple of things:
Clinton had a real shot, per his own words to capture or kill bin Laden. Unless he was lying. A Clinton lie? Never!
I wondered how long it would take till light weights would blame Bush or Reagan for the Paris gun free zone blood bath committed by followers of the "religion of peace". (Amish?) I blame Truman for all of this, he supported the creation of Israel.
On a lighter note. I'm driving to Iowa City today to watch with my PhD candidate son, the # 5 ranked Hawkeyes game tonite. (Tell me you're NOT an Iowa State fan.) That's pretty exciting!! So, for those who claim I'm every conservative who posts here, I'll be traveling north from StL along the Mississippi river today, and will be in Iowa City today and tomorrow, so look for my spots on the map to be moving while I post "from the road".
If you want to see me Mozart, I'll be the man dressed in Hawkeye gold and black with StL Cardinals hat on. Should be easy to spot.
Congrats on your son, Chuck. PhD? Quite impressive.
Thanks Tom, he's just trying to keep up with his older sister who earned her PhD from Case Western in Cleveland , OH
PS.
I'm in Hannibal, MO as I send this
Ok so between 8/6 and 9/11 what should GWB have done?
Has Chuckie forgotten, or ignored, my good faith answer to this question in a previous thread?
There's proof he doesn't deserve good faith responses to his question.
Pathetic, you are out of your league, come back when your big boy pants fit
This arrogance proves my point.
At least he portrays his alleged offspring as more intelligent than their father, who lacks the fortitude, courage, and level-headed qualities of a good prison guard.
I see Chuck had a very intelligent milkman in the past.
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Mr Hansen
Are you speaking from personal experience?
Davy
What would you know about having intelligent childern?
Chuckie, his "clear shot" had the potential of killing thousands of innocent civillians (something Bush never worried about) and even then our intelligence community told him we probably didn't have proper evidence to CHARGE him with anything if he DID catch him. WHat Clinton DID do was leave several warnings to the Bush administration outlining imminent attacks on American soil, which Bush promptly ashcanned, to go after Hussein, the result of which was ISIS.
And no, I'm a proud Hawkeye fan. I do root for IS when they are not playing the Hawkeyes, like I root for UNI .
Mozart,
The 9-11 Commission report was clear about Clinton's options.
Chuckie disagrees with the report, but he's the sort who will accuse and demean others for NOT believing the report.
As we know, IOKIYAR.
Despicable isn't he?
It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost!
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ex-cia-director-white-house-ignored-months-warnings-about-911-avoid-leaving-paper
Now Tenet and Cofer black have turned against Bush and Chaney. I guess Tenet getting the Medal of Freedom in exchange for changing the NIE was not good enough. I am still waiting for some juicy 9/11 stuff to come out, nothing stays a secrete forever.
James,
You mean Chuckie is dissembling? Clinton isn't to blame for 9-11 and Obama isn't to blame for the Great Bush Recession?
Final note, how strict are the gun control, laws in France? How are they working so far?
Their propaganda says if everyone is armed there would be no terrorism? Yeah, like THAT happened in Iraq.
Cons like Chuckie say politicizing tragedy is wrong for schoolhouse slaughters, but it's fine for non-9-11 terrorism.
IOKIYAR.
Big government’s health care solution is imploding. Soon it will be undeniable to even its most ardent champions that Obamacare is the unmitigated disaster critics predicted when, literally, only Democrats voted it into law, most without reading it.
Despite innumerable warnings that it was an unworkable, extremely costly Rube Goldberg contraption doomed to fail, those advancing it didn’t care. When it finally implodes, they knew, it will create the opportunity to rush to the rescue by doubling down on the bad bet.
Obamacare always was intended to pave the way for full-blown nationalized health care, as is so common in Europe. That’s why it wasn’t important to know the details. They knew the destination.
As with every Big Government program, failure becomes the excuse to do more of the same, rather than to kill the contrivance and get government out of the equation. In the face of mounting deficits, escalating costs and failed bureaucracies, Big Government champions from Bismarck to Obama always insist failures happen because they just didn’t have enough time, enough money and enough control. The day nears when Obamacare’s failure will prompt demands for more time, more of your money and more control over your life.
Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
In 2009, starry-eyed Big Government worshippers swallowed Barack Obama’s promise that Obamacare would lower a typical family’s premiums by $2,500 a year. Instead, premiums increased about an equal amount. In 2016, people who don’t qualify for taxpayer-financed subsidies will see a very expensive market “become even more expensive,” according to an insurance comparison website. Of course, you also were promised to be able to keep your doctor and health plan, and that the whole rigmarole wouldn’t increase the deficit.
Hundreds of New York cancer patients are losing hospital coverage because they signed up with Obamacare insurance co-ops, reports the New York Post. Indeed, more than half the nonprofit co-ops formed through Obamacare have left the market, the Washington Post reports. Nearly half a million Americans are left searching for health care.
Two days into the new enrollment season, Michigan’s Consumers Mutual Insurance announced it won’t sell coverage for 2016, becoming the 12th plan to fail in the past year, leaving only 11 operational.
Harbingers of bad news continue. A key Obamacare program to protect insurers from high costs faces massive cash shortages, Standard and Poor’s reports. The risk pool holds only $1 to cover every $10 in claims, the Hill reports. Simultaneously, people who don’t receive subsidies paid by taxpayers and who buy the cheapest Obamacare health plans, “face the largest increases for premiums and out-of-pocket costs in 2016,” CNBC.com reports. A new study by McKinsey & Co. found insurance companies lost $2.5 billion in 2014 and “will have to charge higher premiums or quit.”
Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
What do we call the mental disorder that believes insurance corporate CEO's are entitled to billions of our health care dollars?
What do we call the mental disorder that fails to understand insurance rates have ALWAYS gone up?
What do we call the mental disorder that presumes those who have finally become insured under Obamacare are now worse off than they were without insurance?
They have no answers for them except, "Die soon, you damn takers".
You can't have con-servatism without the "con"?
Alan Grayson said it best about the Republican health plan: "don't get sick, if you do die quickly"
What do we call the mental disorder that Radical Islam does not exist?
Misinformed? Not paying attention?
Never seen an example. But we have a delusional paranoid who believes someone has taken this position.
Paranoia, delusion, and the big con all rolled together.
It must be that overactive fear center in their amygdala. The heart of con-servatism seems to be rooted in the reptilian center of the brain.
Rumsfeld dispersed the whole damn Bastist army in Iraq, a million men without a paycheck and a lot of weapons. Fast forward, they are the core of ISIS. We killed a million Iraq's, created 5 million refugees,set up torture sites all over the world in addition to Gitmo and thought we could do what the fuck we wanted to.
How did that work out O.F.American?
What do we call the mental disorder that thinks Radical Right American terrorism does not exist?
Since 9-11 MORE Americans have been killed by Right Wing terrorists than by Muslim terrorists.
Old Fashioned Americans are crazed with hate and fear:
The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat
Dave, we make a good tag team. we kicked his ass! He won't be coming back here very soon.
James,
I'm pretty sure our "old fashioned American", no doubt from Wallingford CT, will behave just like the rest of his alter-egos. They are angry and frightened true believers who don't accept facts, let alone their defeat in the arena of discussion and debate.
His post was a C&P job, no knowledge or work ethic. Lazy bastard.
Mozart
Haven't made to the game still tailgating.
Lots of fun
Iowa fans are great even though I'm wearing Cardinals hat. They can drink a bit which since I dont makes for interesting conversations
What has Obama done in the past 7 years to prevent the rise of ISIS?
And he changed his shirt and jacket and came through the door like nothing happened.
Chuckie, he's bombed the crap out of them AND just killed a major player. He also got bin Laden and Gadaffi. The 9-11 commission was a JOKE. THey spent more "investigating" Clinton's blowjobs than they did on investigating 9-11! Hilaary spent 11 hours under oath on C-span over 4 people in Benghazi. Bush spent an hour behind closed doors with no recording allowed over 3,000 american civillians concering 9-11. Besides, ISIS was CREATED by the Iraq invasion. It takes a lot of nerve to blame Obama for not fixing Bush's fuckups fast enough.
You are losing this debate man (as usual). We have facts and you have deflection and excuses.
What's REALLY entertaining is seeing all the names the Boy Troll comes up with, as if we can't tell from his inane posting who he is.
It's so nice of Chuckie to be late for the game just for our entertainment.
Poor Chuckie can't accept the fact Bush planted the seeds of ISIS through his war crimes against Iraq and by firing the Iraqi army.
Better blame the black guy, or maybe prison guards, amirite?
Does everyone here really believe SoreLoser has two children? That a woman could tolerate his personality enough to bear his offspring?
Assumes facts not in evidence.
I think the Boy troll IS two children.
Hey Chuckie, this might be a "last team with the ball" type of game.
Better watch out Chuckie, the Libs are on a roll!
Well, Chuckles, Minnesota comes up short, just like your facts. :)
If Jeb had been president with the same men surrounding him (no reason to think he would choose differently-since the father recommended these people to his son) there would be no difference, or change from his brother's decisions.
Mozart good thing I was rooting for Iowa
But really, what has Obama done to stop the growth of ISIS?
and to Mr Hansen and Davy
It's no surprise to me that it takes the two of you to "tag team " someone to beat them On your own both of you are pitiful.
Tom thanks for your kind words about my son. To the rest of you, what have your kids dome that is note worthy? March in a protest ?
I know it really doesn't make a difference at this point but the Paris terrorist attacks were caused by an Internet Video.
“Hillary” from Wallingford CT is lying again.
The Paris terrorist attacks were caused by ISIS, the terror group formed by Sunni radicals and Iraqi soldiers fired by Bush in his war for crony profit and political gain.
This is why they need to blame Clinton and the black guy. From the "Personal responsibility" hypocrites, donchanknow.
The Paris attacks were the DIRECT results of the Bush admin, too bad most Conservatives can not be honest about anything that puts them in a bad light. Fortunately I do not suffer from overpowering political cowardliness, I can discuss the the sins of Obama and Democrats with no problems. Which I would be glad to do if any Conservative could reciprocate.
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2] It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
The bill was sponsored by Representative Benjamin A. Gilman (Republican, NY-20) and co-sponsored by Representative Christopher Cox (Republican, CA-47). The bill was introduced as H.R. 4655 on September 29, 1998. The House of Representatives passed the bill 360 - 38 on October 5, and the Senate passed it with unanimous consent two days later. President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998.[3]
What's this??
Wiki said the Iraq war and ISIS was all Clinton's fault? LOL!!!
This is why they need to blame Clinton and the black guy. From the "Personal responsibility" hypocrites, donchanknow.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari has said his country's intelligence services shared information they had which indicated that France, the United States and Iran were among countries being targeted for attack.
He did not elaborate, but the comments came after 129 people were killed in Paris on Friday by gunmen and suicide bombers in attacks claimed by Islamic State.
"Information has been obtained from Iraqi intelligence sources that the countries to be targeted soon, before it occurred, are Europe in general, specifically France, as well as America and Iran," Jaafari said from the sidelines of talks in Vienna on ending the war in Syria on Saturday.
He said the countries had been informed. A video of his comments was posted on his website."
Does this mean Obama along with the liberal govt of France were warned and did nothing?
Naahh, got to be be the fault of GWB. Let the spin begin.
Back in StL Mozart, regardless of what Davy says, I have only posted under my name.
Thanks for your kind words Tom, it's nice to find a liberal with a heart.
BAGHDAD (AP) — An Iraqi intelligence dispatch sent to coalition countries warned of imminent assaults by the Islamic State group just one day before last week’s deadly attacks in Paris killed 129 people.
Iraqi intelligence said the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, ordered an attack on coalition countries fighting against them in Iraq and Syria, as well as on Iran and Russia, “through bombings or assassinations or hostage taking in the coming days.”
Six senior Iraqi intelligence officials corroborated the information in the intelligence dispatch, and four of them said they warned France specifically of a potential attack.
So why did the White House just say there was no credible threat against the United States?
An Associated Press reporter was shown a copy of the note Sunday.
from the same dispatch:
The dispatch said the Iraqis had no specific details on when or where the attack would take place, and a senior French security official told the AP that French intelligence gets this kind of communication "all the time" and "every day."
So they should have shut down all of Paris indefinitely? No concerts, no restaurants, no stores?
SoreLoser is trying to make a comparison to the very specific warnings that Dubya and Condee Rice got about airlines.
Chuckie also ignores "just one" other fact. The warning was “just one day before last week’s deadly attacks in Paris”.
Better blame the black guy, amirite?
Chuckie demanded, and I answered, what Bush should have done with 8 months warning time. Will he return the gesture and tell us Obama's options for stopping the Paris attacks with just one day notice?
LOL!!!
Remember when Fox News attacked the left for politicizing tragedy?
I'm still waiting for "Chuck Morre" to apologize to Charles Moore. And while he's at it, he could apologize to the smart progressive who used to comment as "Just The Facts" for stealing his name as well. And apologize to James Hansen for posting RWNJ comments as "James Hanson" (but that will never happen). And the virus he left here for Mozart. Never an apology for that.
I remember one day when SoreLoser/Chuck Koolade got mad and said he wouldn't comment on this blog any more. And then, despite his protests that he never posts under multiple and stolen aliases, every single other "conservative" commenter disappeared. And then when SoreLoser/Chuck started sweating and going through withdrawal symptoms, he returned. And within minutes of his return, the other names reappeared. Ahh, good times!
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Just like the Clark intel has nothing as to where, when or what the attack would take place. And just like the WH gets hundreds of threats daily about terrorist attacks. But it's all different when it is a liberal isn't it.
"So they should have shut down all of Paris indefinitely? No concerts, no restaurants, no stores?"
Hell, the liberal Pres of France was at the football game that was attacked. He had this warning of an attack and when to a football game!!! Double standard much?
GWB should have shut every thing down from March until when? How dare I hold the "black guy" to the standards as liberals hold GWB. I must be a racist, right Davy? Isn't that the last refuge of liberalism, to claim your opponent is a racist?
Obama gets the warning the day before the attack and claims the morning of the attack that ISIS is penned in.
"very specific warnings" REALLY!!!, That's a lie and you know it.
8 months before 9/11 attack?? Prove that Davy.
And yes if you can blame the black woman, I can blame the black guy.
Liberal double standard at its best. There's been a lot of it the past 7 days, and I'm sure there will be more.
But there is a bit of hope for our future. Jack Tapper (CNN, not FOX) is after a Obama's Security adviser, Ben Rhodes for his ISIS failures. Maybe the wheel is turning, maybe the news media is willing to ask the tough questions of this White House, and hold them accountable as they have held GWB accountable. Maybe the media will dare to ask this White House when they are going to start protecting our borders, enforcing our laws, and start protecting the citizens from illegals who murder and rape.
Hillary, O’Malley Would Bring In 65,000 Syrian Refugees, Despite FBI Director Saying They Cannot Adequately Check Them…
INSANE!!!!
Why do the liberals hate America so much??
Why would they brag about bringing in more potential ISIS members? Why do they ignore the threat being mounted against our nation by Radical Islam? Why do liberals get more upset over a Christian baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding than allowing more Syrians refuges to enter our country? Why do they refuse to even ask how many of the planets current conflicts involve Muslims? Religion of peace? Really? An this President wants to bring more into our country!!
Because they are liberals that's why!
And it's all GWB's fault cause we can't blame the black guy.
Horse crap! The black guy is the one who has had 7 years to earn his Nobel Peace Prize!! 7 years to keep his promises. Oh, I forgot, his failures must be blamed on the GOP.
Horse crap!
Hurry up Nov 2016!!
P.S.
Mozart
Had a great time in Iowa, hope they move up on the rankings this week. Have returned to StL.
P.S. Anonymous 5:42 PM
I can't remember when you had a set of male parts, can you? Snowflake.
I didn’t know that Obama was President of France.
Aww, Chuck, you didn't answer any of my questions. Instead of fixating on my male parts, you should be apologizing to everyone you've trolled.
Because your sad behavior makes your stupid political views even sadder.
I actually feel sorry for you. Five surgeries and you STILL haven't successfully transitioned? Are the hormones working?
And have you settled on your new name yet? Vanessa or Mitzi?
Poor Chuckie’s blowing a gasket with rage again.
8 months before 9/11 attack?? Prove that Davy.
I cited a good source. Chuckie ignored it of course.
Again:
The Bush Administration didn’t want to hear about al-Qaeda whenever Richard Clarke tried to discuss it.
His January 5, 2001 memo on dealing with al-Qaeda was basically ignored and he was removed from the cabinet meetings.
The Bush Administration finally allowed the meeting Clarke urged….on September 4, 2001! Let’s add EIGHT MONTHS of ignoring al-Qaeda to the list of poor leadership.
Eight, count ‘em, eight months.
Obama had an entire day to stop the Paris attacks. Better blame the black guy, amirite?
I must be a racist, right Davy?
If the hood fits…
Hey, I know. Let's ask "Tyrone Witherspoon(s)".
Chucky,
Bears humiliate the Rams.
Obama kills "jihad John"
Bush CREATED ISIS.
You lose. Again. But keep the insults coming, it proves you have no facts to work with.
Charles Pierce, over at Esquire:
These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors.
American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody’s death is ever sacrifice enough for that.
It’s time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we’re satisfied that you’ll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we’ll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that’s your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.
Mozart,
I'M making insulting comments?
Have you read what Anonymous and Mr. Hansen posted about my two children?
And you are warning me to not make insulting comments to a couple of liberals who do not have the nerve to do as you, Davy, TP and I have done, link our name to a link or website? I'm insulting THEM! Am I insulting them because I disagree with them?
What are you talking about? When are you going to call them out for their border line obscene posts about my children?
Please Mozart, stop defending the indefensible actions of two hate filled poster.
I'm insulting them?
Yes I'm blowing a head gasket in rage, rage over the party of JFK, and Truman being taken over by the spineless snowflakes. Rage over the dismembership of our once great nation into "safe spaces" and the cult of eat those who have succeeded, because that had to have cheated to have been successful.
Here Mozart, here is a link to what the religion of peace did in Paris. Look at if you have the stomach,and then blame GWB? This is Syria man, Syria is Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama's.
https://twitter.com/alex07866/status/665891283869769728
Must have been an inside job! GWB did this for oil money, what a crock.
Here's what's insulting:
the continued defense of an administration that wants to welcome thousands of military aged men who follow sharia law into our country. ((have you read sharia law, would you want to live under it? Yet it is the obligation of every Muslim to work towards the world living under the rules of sharia law. Don't think so, just ask one)
Defending an administration who draws lines in the sand and ignores them when they are crossed.
Two posters who are proud of tag teaming those whey disagree with, how chicken sh*t is that?
My God man, surely you are starting to question the motivations and actions of these people? Can you see anyway how their plans will result in a safer, better America?
Blame the black woman, right Davy, why it's you very own war on black women, isn't it?
Hurry Nov 2016!!
Charles Pierce is an American sportswriter, political blogger, author, and game show panelist.
or this Charles Pierce?
A female impersonator.
Rage over the dismembership of our once great nation into "safe spaces"
- Chuck Morre/SoreLoser
Safe Spaces are RIDICULOUS say the guys who want a giant wall that will magically make the entire country a safe space.
- LOL GOP
Nice try Snowflake
Chuckie, I thought you were calling ME "snowflake". I misread, and stand corrected.
Oh, and since JFK was killed because he wanted to pull out of Vietnam, wan't HE a "snowflake"?
And how is another needless war in the Middle east (which created ISIS in the first place)going to help? The ONLY thing we should do is pull COMPLETELY out of the middle east and if they don't like ISIS THEY can fight them. We don't have the money or the NEED. Suadi Arabia has trillion in casj and a huge army. We give BILLIONS per year in cash and arms to Israel. Let THEM fight ISIS, WE need toi fix our ijnfrastructure, educate our young people and get solar and wind power going nationally. If the planet heats up another degree or so and the midwest can't grow the food we ALL need, it won;t matter who's attacking who.
Chuck (snowflake) Morre = Mitzi = Vanessa.
Quote of the Day:
"Realizing how much more I got done when I stopped coming here and realizing that I didn't need to be here to effect the debate and seeing how FEW people really read this blog and my posts, I have decided there are other places where debate can be conducted by adults. Oh, I might visit once in a while, but post, I doubt it very much."
- Sore Chuck Snowflake Loser
If an intelligent Conservative like T.P. does not want to hang out here because of Chuck, why should the Liberals continue to engage him. It is obvious to me he is useless to talk to and paranoid as hell. A milkman joke makes me hate filled, give me a break, Chuck has shown he hates Liberals with a passion and the four that post here in particular.
I suggest we put Chuck on ignore, it is the least we can do for some one that posts under a stolen name all day long and under eight different made up names at the same time.
I suggest we put Chuck on ignore, it is the least we can do for some one that posts under a stolen name all day long and under eight different made up names at the same time.
I agree completely. If everyone had ignored him back when he first appeared, he would have melted like the snowflake he is. But over the years he's gotten so much attention he's become addicted to this place. And the same dumb comments over and over: "Al Gore claims he invented the internet!" "Hillary Clinton is a criminal!" "Obama is a socialist!"
I have no problem with someone coming here with conservative viewpoints. But the boy troll's name stealing, the virus, and the posting of outright lies (that can easily be refuted with research) add nothing to this blog.
I pledge to ignore SoreLoser Chuck Morre and his multitude of aliases. Will Dave and Mozart join me in this pledge?
The Russian government warned U.S. authorities that Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a violent radical Islamist more than a year and a half before the April 2013 bombing. NBC News
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russian authorities warned the FBI in 2011 about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two Chechen brothers accused of carrying out last year's Boston Marathon bombings, but U.S. authorities missed chances to detain him, NBC News reported on Tuesday.
Citing a congressional report it said could be released by the House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee as soon as Thursday, NBC News said the Russian intelligence agency FSB cabled the FBI about its concerns in March 2011, warning that Tsarnaev was known to have associated with militant Islamists.
US authorities didn’t bother to question Tamerlan Tsarnaev at JFK international Airport when he flew to Dagestan in 2012, despite watch-listing him as potentially “armed and dangerous.” The same thing happened when he flew back six months later.
Recall that Tsarnaev was watch-listed as a result of Russia’s March, 2011 “warning” to the FBI and the CIA that he was exhibiting a growing extremism and concocting plans to travel to the North Caucasus to join the Jihad there against Russia.
Hmm, 8 months vs 18 months.
Thanks Obama, let's see how your Snowflakes spin this.
Blame GWB, sure
Blame Russia? Maybe.
Blame the "black guy"? Never.
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.[1][2] It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.
The bill was sponsored by Representative Benjamin A. Gilman (Republican, NY-20) and co-sponsored by Representative Christopher Cox (Republican, CA-47). The bill was introduced as H.R. 4655 on September 29, 1998. The House of Representatives passed the bill 360 - 38 on October 5, and the Senate passed it with unanimous consent two days later. President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998.[3
Obama is not the president of France, for which Frenchmen everywhere rejoice and are thankful
Blame the President who caused all the Problems we now face in the Middle east. That would be Bush.
Clinton did not invade Iraq
Obama did not invade Iraq
Neither of those two made $30 billion in the process and then leave it to the next guy (Black or otherwise) to clean up.
ISIS was created when Bush overthrew Hussein and ran off the Iraqi army.
That's not even up for debate. It's simply a FACT.
Chuck Morre: "Hurry up NOV 2016"
So now you're shilling for Hillary Clinton?
"Jeb Bush: If only Obama had kept France as safe as my brother kept us."
LOL GOP
Just An Old Fashioned American: "What do we call the mental disorder that Radical Islam does not exist?"
This is a trick-question. It does exist. Always has, and undoubtedly always will -- just as "Radical Christianity" has, or "Radical Judaism". Unfortunately, the West -- led primarily by the United States -- has exacerbated the situation by participating in the unjust and illegal invasion and occupation of sovereign states, murdering and killing innocent civilians and citizens, and justifying the barbarism through what is known as American exceptionalism.
Here's a question for you: What do we call the mental disorder that state-sponsored terrorism doesn't exist?
ANSWER: Cognitive dissonance.
Mozart,
So what has Obama done to fix the problems left him?
Did pulling our troops out of Iraq have anything to do with the rise of ISIS?
Is the world safer because of Obama's actions?
Would securing our borders and not accepting thousands of Syrians to enter our nation be a good or bad idea?
Our air attacks on ISIS, 8 a day vs the French's dozens of attacks per day?
What do you think America should have done after 9/11?
Are Libya and Syria Obama's responsibility, or do you blame someone else?
Please note Mozart, that nothing I've just posted is insulting to you.
JG,
LOL
The people who blamed Iraq for 9/11 remind you to blame refugees fleeing ISIS for ISIS.
- John Fugelsang
2003 -if liberals warn Iraq invasion will lead to more terror, call them Un-American.
2015 -if Iraq invasion leads to more terror, blame liberals.
- John Fugelsang
French TV SLAMS Conservatives For Politicizing Paris Attacks: ‘Newt Gingrich, Shame On You’
As France continues to try to pick up the pieces after experiencing what is being described as the worst terror attack in a western country since 9/11, America’s right-wing was busy spewing toxic hot takes on social media.
French media put on a master class in how to conduct responsible, measured journalism in the face of chaos and fear. At the forefront was France 24, a network that brought continuous coverage of the ongoing terror attacks to viewers both in the country and to the rest of the world. Occasionally, they would offer perspectives from across the world, showing tweets and messages of well wishes from those across the planet hurting right along with France. Unfortunately, they also stumbled across America’s aforementioned right-wing sewage dump.
Wasting no time, conservatives spent the night competing with each other to say the most offensive, idiotic things they could about the attacks – even while violence was still unfolding in Paris streets.
But while America has grown disturbingly used to this kind of opportunistic politicizing of tragedies from conservatives, the French media seemed completely taken aback. And rightfully so. This was a time to ensure people were safe, mourn the victims, and convey facts. American conservatives used it to score cheap points to further their agendas.
After seeing Gingrich’s pitiful stab at turning France’s tragedy into a way to sell more American guns, France 24’s Mark Owen was both baffled and outraged.
“So he’s using this atrocity to make his point [that] people should be able to carry guns basically. It’s funny how people will very distastefully use this kind of situation to express their own particular political [inaudible]. Newt Gingrich, shame on you.”
Chuck Morre: "LOL"
Cognitive dissonance: avoidance, denial, and rationalization.
Your response personifies exactly what cognitive dissonance defines, which is not uncommon for you.
No JG just because you assume something doesn't make it truth
I look fwd to Nov 2016 as the date when the democrats leave the White House
Hence my laughing at your statement that I'm "shilling" for Clinton
Hurry up 11/2016
Anonymous aka Charles Moore, why do you cut and paste, lazy?
Looks like Chuckie went to a Packers game too.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/15/aaron-rodgers-calls-out-a-hole-fan-who-interrupted-moment-of-silence-to-yell-muslims-suck-video/
"Aaron Rodgers Calls Out A-Hole Fan"
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers may not have led his team to victory in Sunday’s game, but he proved to be a total class act in the post-game press conference.
The NFL chose to honor the victims of the Paris terror attacks with a moment of silence held before each and every game. It was meant to be a time for fans to mourn the loss of life, send positive thoughts to the French people, and reflect. For most, that’s what happened. One fan in Green Bay, Wisconsin, however, decided to use the quiet stadium to spew hatred towards Muslims. In the middle of the moment of silence, he could be heard shouting “Muslims suck” loud enough that the players on the field took notice.
After the game, the man’s hateful outburst still clearly weighed on Rodgers, who stopped taking questions about game strategy and performance to slap down the “fan” and disavow everything he stood for.
“I must admit I was very disappointed with whoever the fan was who made a comment that I thought was really inappropriate during the moment of silence. It’s that kind of prejudicial ideology that I think puts us in the position we are in today.”
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For at least the rest of the week, I'm a Packers fan.
The GOP candidate who produces undeniable proof that he has wet himself over the refugee situation will be the nominee. Bet on it.
- LOL GOP
Ann Coulter tweeted Friday night that the Paris attacks just got Trump elected. So at least ISIS made one person happy.
- John Fugelsang
That's pretty sophomoric of you Davy, but I've grown used to no less from you.
We all know that Hillary will be the Democrat candidate, that got you aroused Charles Moore?
Why didn't Obama protect us from the Boston Muslim brothers bomb attack? Russia had warned him 18 months before the attack. Blame GWB?
Not that Chuckie makes any point, but I'd rather be sophomoric than a bigot.
True to Chuckie's form, he ignores the content and deflects to make it about me.
Obviously Chuckie has no disagreement, or character differences, with the Asshole in Green Bay.
I bet he thinks Rogers is a commie now. ;-)
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Alternative terms include 101st Fighting Keyboarders, the Keyboard Kommandoes, the Basement Brigades, and the Fighting Hellmice.
Anthem of the 101st Chairborne:
"Praise the Lord and Pass the Cheezy-Puffs"
Davy,
Back to the claiming those who disagree with you are bigots and racist I see.
When you post "Looks like Chuckie went to a Packers game too.", how is it I am
"deflects(ing) to make it about me."?
Nice try Davy, but still pretty sophomoric and bigoted of you. Why you say? Because anyone who disagrees with you, you automatically paint as a bigot, which is pretty darned bigoted of you since I never said one word about the Green Bay game. YOU are the one that inferred my name into the post. So I am going to call you what you are IE: a bigoted internet bully, who deep inside is really a Snowflake.
As Ive noted before, you love to put words into people's mouths in your normal "ad hominem" form of discussion. It's your way of preventing any views but your own from being read. In response to your sophomoric post, I have to spend a post refuting yours. How very bigoted of you to not want any ones views other than your own from being published. T. Payne has said the same as I just did about you.
Simple question for you Davy and anyone else who supports the course our President has set for us with his international policy's:
Why didn't Obama protect us from the Boston Muslim brothers bomb attack? Russia had warned him 18 months before the attack. Blame GWB?
Chuckie either agrees with the Green Bay bigot or he doesn't. I suggested he does. Note he did NOT say "Good call Rogers", or "That fan is a bigot".
Instead he called me the bigot. What does that say about him?
Chuckie can set us straight and agree with Rogers, or the fan. If the hood fits...
Shall we ask "Tyrone Witherspoon(s)?
Nuff said.
Davy
Sorry, your ad hoc ultimatums, meaningless, posts and demands dont work with me.
You are a liberal bigot, it's either your way or no way. Liberals are supposed to be diverse, tolerant you are not. You hold others to standards that you yourself will not be allowed to be held to.
Let me ask you a question, how do you KNOW Muslims don't suck? Personal experience?
And most importantly, you chose to make this an issue, I don't. You chose to make it an either I do or I dont situation. Sorry Snowflake, you have no hand here.
To presume I would call Rodgers a commie is another example of your casting the discussion with an ad hominem, setting up a straw horse argument and putting words into my mouth. Yawn, seen it all before with you Davy.
Let's try this, do you support your Governors decision to not allow more Syrian refuges into Michigan?
Either you do or you dont.
If you dont, you are a bigot.
If you do you support Islamic terrorism.
Why didn't Obama protect us from the Boston Muslim brothers bomb attack? Russia had warned him 18 months before the attack.
You are such a sophomoric snowflake, it's laughable. You are starting to sound like
Anonymous a.k.a. Charles Moore. I bet you are, I bet that's the truth. Prove differently.
Let me ask you a question, how do you KNOW Muslims don't suck? Personal experience?
And the hood fits.
Davy,
Really! Snowflake, can dish it out but he sure can't take can't he?
Well how do you know Davy?
LOL
Fighting terrorism with an army is like burning your house down to kill termites. You'll be homeless and 90% of the termites will move next door.
It's a TACTIC folks, no cities to bomb, no country to capture. The ONLY way to be safe is stop fucking around in their country and pay attention to fixing our own house. This nation's infrastructure is crumbling, our middle class is all but gone, we are wrecking the environment. While you teabillies are waging "holy war" you end up having nothing left TO defend.
bin Laden said it himself "We cannot beat America militarily, but we can make them beat themselves economically". He was right, AND he's turned us into a bunch of paranoid xenophobes.
"CHristian" country? PLease....
Well Mozart, I hope your position works, cause if it doesn't there is going to be hell to pay
Not sure what your Christian country statements all about.
BTW
I'm going to be in Dallas area starting on Wednesday until 12/7/15. follow me o the blog map! Surprised Iowa didn't move up I the rankings
Mozart,
Do you think if we sent James Taylor to sing 'You've got a friend' to ISIS, they would love us and play nice?
Dave, I hope you like being part of the Chuck Morre Show because that is what the Rant has turned in to.
James, I don't have the time to monitor every thing that is said on this site. You want Chuck to go away? Ignore him.
That's more than a hint.
Mr. Hansen,
So you no longer support the 1st Amendment rights of those you disagree with?
What other Constitutional rights do you want to deny those you disagree with, the 2nd, the 8th and the 9th?
How very totalitarian of you.
Fox News host Shepard Smith stood up on Monday for the rights of refugees to seek asylum in the US in a short commentary.
“Today we mourn, but we cannot allow ourselves to become like those who want to destroy us. We cannot resort to the tactics of the barbarians,” he said. “We must fight for what we believe in and who we are. Guard our freedoms faithfully for the generations to follow, and we must not let the rhetoric of potential and political extremists among us lead us to self-destruction.”
Chuckie, as long as your conservative heroes are flushing the 1st and 4th amendments, perverting the 2nd and trying to repeal the 14th, you MIGHT not want to WHINE about the constitution. Hypocrite much?
Oh and Chukie, If conservatives refuse to help the Syrian refugees WHO ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM ISIS (Created by Bush) You guys can stop caling yourselve's "Christians".
Plus, refusing to allow them in here shows the terrorists that we FEAR them.
Hell FRNENCH famlilies are takiing in total strangers in Paris. Call them "coward's now, hypocrite.
How bout those Bears eh?
Reuters Poll — Nov 14 to 16 (Page 4)
Should US deploy ground troops against ISIS in Syria?
No……………………76%
Yes……………………24%
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria they'll come in, they'll leave. But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain.
Its about time that we got more FBI agents in Michigan to monitor the "Religion of Peace." These people are sand *******.
"Cognitive dissonance: avoidance, denial, and rationalization." Like those koolaid drinkers who STILL believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Earlier Monday, Obama had defended the U.S. strategy against the Islamic State, which has largely focused on airstrikes, amid calls for deploying a large number of ground troops in response to the Paris terrorist attacks. Obama said a ground invasion would be a “mistake” because it would require using U.S. troops to occupy Iraqi and Syrian cities indefinitely.
Obama also said he respected the debate over what to do against the Islamic State, but “if folks want to pop off and have opinions about what they think they would do, present a specific plan.”
“If they think somehow their advisers are better than the Chairman of my Joint Chiefs of Staff and the folks who are actually on the ground, I want to meet them,” Obama said. “And we can have that debate. But what I’m not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of American leadership or America winning or whatever other slogans they come up with that has no relationship to what is actually going to work to protect the American people and to protect the people in the region who are getting killed and to protect our allies and people like France. I’m too busy for that.”
What rights are u talking about?
Where in OUR Consitution do people who don't live here who aren't citizens have the right to come here?
If you think fertilized eggs are people but refugee kids aren't, you're going to have to stop pretending your concerns are religious.
- LOL GOP
https://twitter.com/LOLGOP
What's your take on Jesus saying he was the Son of God and no one got to the Fathet except through him?
Do you go along with that as well?
MSNBC: The anti-ISIS airstrikes the right chooses to ignore
To be sure, this isn’t entirely new. For months, a wide variety of Republicans – candidates, lawmakers, pundits, et al – have gone to almost comedic lengths to pretend not to notice the thousands of airstrikes President Obama has launched against ISIS targets. At times, it’s been genuinely bizarre.
What is new, however, is watching conservatives suggest the French, by launching an offensive of their own, are somehow demonstrating a security commitment the United States isn’t. Reality points in a very different direction.
Send their fertilized eggs and childern to us, keep out their military aged men.
How's that work for you or are you going to call for my being censored again because I disagree with you ?
Now bringing up the Bears is hitting below the belt.
Shame on u
WaPo: What Americans thought of Jewish refugees on the eve of World War II
Fewer than 5 percent of Americans surveyed at the time believed that the United States should raise its immigration quotas or encourage political refugees fleeing fascist states in Europe — the vast majority of whom were Jewish — to voyage across the Atlantic. Two-thirds of the respondents agreed with the proposition that "we should try to keep them out."
Yeah, Chuckie is a "good Christian".
And from your posts "hitting below the belt" won't do you any harm. You have to have em to hurt em.
My take on Jesus is that he's fictional. However SOMEONE wrote the words attributed to him and whoever did had the right idea, minus the supernatural nonsense of course.
Too bad most modern Christians have never read them.
One thing "Jesus "said had to do with rich men and the eyes of needles. Care to tell us what that was?
You know Mozart, for while there I thought we could have an adult CONVERSATION.
You have once again show how hate filled, bigoted, closed minded American liberals really are.
You simply can not help your self can you? Even when I post that I hope your position was correct, you just can't stop hating, I guess that's because that's what liberals do, HATE!
What post of mine hit below the belt? And whose belt was it? Yours?
Or to quote Davy, are you simply "full of rage"?
Who do you fear the most Muslims or Christians?
Who do you fear the most Islamic terrorists or Christians
Who do you hate the most Muslims or Christians?
Hurry Up Nov 2016!
Here in the USA with a direct effect upon MY life? "Christians" You knbow, the "good" ones like Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee or Kim Davis
Again, there is more chance a "Christian" will do me harm than even an "Islamic terrorist"
I don't "hate" either group just for being those things.
I noticed you never said "Christian terrorist" Like Tim McVegh, David Koresh or Dylan Roof.
Why IS that? Why associate "terrorism" with Muslims but NOT Christians? Both groups have their radical factions, and here in America, RIGHT NOW The Christian extremists are more dangerous to America and our intended way of life than ANY radical Muslim group.
Did you know the odds are better that you will be struck by lightniong at your computer than than they are for you to be injured or killed by "radical Islam"?
YOU are showing your obvious bigotry and like a good conservative you are projecting that upon others.
WHAT WOULD JESUS HAVE US DO WITH THE REFUGEES?
DO YOU KNOW THE REAL REASON SODOM AND GOMORROAH WERE DESTROYED? (assuming it really happened in the first place, which it didn't)
Oh, and Chucky, I am not full of "rage". It's more lie DISGUST at the way alleged "Christians" in this country act when asked to "walk the walk.
I also noticed you never answered MY questions. Go figure.
@ABC
NEW: Pres. Hollande commits to taking 30,000 refugees in next 2 years; says France has duty to honor that commitment. “Life must go on.”
Chuck Morre: "Hurry Up Nov 2016!"
Don't rush it. Live in the moment. You'll get your "Madam President" in due course.
It's already determined.
Mozart
You are no longer worth my time
You have been drinking the party kool aid so long you are drunk with rage any reference to anything but the liberal talking points turns you into something like a radical Muslim
You want me to answer your questions about Christ ( someone you admit to thinking is a myth) that fit your political agenda but won't consider what He said about himself
So why bother with someone like you??
Tim Mcvegh, did he say he was a Christian?
Yes he did.
Time: Are you religious?
McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic. Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs .
Time: Do you believe in God?
McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes.
Every terrorist who killed a doctor for providing legal abortions is also a Christian terrorist.
Every death in the Iraq war and victim of ISIS has "Christian" G. W. Bush to thank for unleashing unspeakable evil.
Far Right wing Christians and far Right Israelis have no more respect for living breathing humans than any terrorist. They both cling to God and believe they are the chosen, as the body count rises in their evil schemes.
Jesus had only contempt for the rich, the money changers and the puppets and managers of empire, the Republicans of the day.
He was nothing like those who say they are Christian, but hold only hate for their fellow man, and start wars of choice based on lies, for crony profit and political gain.
Evil Christians lurk in government as well as on TV, telling their victims heaven and earthly rewards await them if only they send in their "seed" money.
Muslims are not the only terrorists.
Since 9-11 more Americans have been killed by American Right wing terrorists than by the Muslims they hate.
Chuckie happens to be one of those same hate-filled "Christians". He sees liberals as evil commies. We know his racism from his spewing. His anger is obvious. Who knows what could set him off on a killing spree?
For he believes God is on his side. Just like those Muslims he hates.
Beloved reality TV star and noted child molester Josh Duggar is idolized as a cherished paragon of traditional family values by presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and other social conservatives. The Tea Party darling is now being sued for half a million dollars by a woman he paid to have sex with.
In the court papers, Adult film star Danica Dillon (legal name: Ashley Stamm-Northup) claims Duggar committed battery against her twice, and she is asking for $500,000.
Ms. Dillon was working at a strip club in Philadelphia when she met Duggar. She says he paid her $600 for several lap dances, and that he gave her an additional $1,500 to have sex with her in a hotel room. In her complaint, Dillon says Duggar "manhandled" her so viciously that she felt like she was being raped.
Later, Duggar returned to the strip club to "apologize" to Dillon, but the suit alleges that "his motive for the 'apology' was to deceive Plaintiff into another private meeting with her where he engaged in identical tortious conduct causing Plaintiff to suffer severe emotional and physical damages."
http://boingboing.net/2015/11/18/tea-party-exemplar-josh-duggar.html
That you think McViegh was a Christian base on his testimony the he believed there was a God shows how much you don't know about Christianity
Instead of the Daily Koz read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis or anything by R C Sproel or J I Packard and educated yourself about something you are so critical of.
That anyone would think Chuckie was a Christian base on his testimony, shows how much he doesn't know about Christianity
The US government turned down Anne Frank's visa application
Otto Frank sought help from his college friend Nathan Strauss Jr, the son of the owner of Macy's, to get a US visa, but the US State Department turned him and his family down.
He later tried got the family a visa for Cuba, but after Germany declared war on the USA, the visa was canceled.
If her father had sought help sooner, "Anne Frank could be a 77-year-old woman living in Boston today, a writer. That is what the YIVO's documents suggest," said Richard Breitman, a professor at American University.
However, Otto Frank decided to try to escape just as the Nazis were making it more difficult to leave and the United States was making it more difficult to enter, Breitman said.
Cuba issued Otto Frank a visa on December 1, 1941, according to the documents, but it was canceled 10 days later when Germany declared war on the United States.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/14/us-annefrank-letters-idUSN1430569220070214#hXDjUxArX4jGLGwi.97
Is that the best you can do Davy? Why are you afraid to learn about that of which you are critical? Who are you to judge my faith when you are ignorant of what it means to be a Christian?
You have no hand Davy, just fear.
Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.
Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/refugees-christians-215991#ixzz3rxBKnrEX
Re: Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
There is nothing Christian about the Republican Party. The servants of mammon are their owners. Too bad their voters can’t understand this fact.
Why are you afraid to learn about that of which you are critical? Who are you to judge my faith when you are ignorant of what it means to be a Christian?
The projection is clear. Again, Chuckie shows us he’s full of willful ignorance.
Two qualities furthest from Chuckie’s worldview:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(Unless they’re liberals, African Americans, Muslims, union members, teachers, scientists, journalists and other non-believers of his extreme far Right cult dogma.)
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
(We know how Chuckie feels about Muslim refugees, those without health care, the unemployed, and the non-white poor. Not very Christian at all.)
Yes, we know all about Chuckie’s total lack of Christian love and compassion for those not like him.
And Chuckie thinks he can lecture us on what it means to be a Christian?? He’s full of arrogance, and proud of it.
Jesus had a special contempt for hypocrites like him.
If he had a conscience, he’d beg our forgiveness for the hate he’s been spewing.
That “Good Christian” hate is what Chuckie and the Klan share. Yes, the Klansmen are all “Christian” too. Just ask them.
You know nothing of my faith in Christ except that which you interpret through your own understanding of Christianity
Read study and learn from the books I listed and then I'll talk with about my faith
Until then you are a tinkling Snowflake bell blown by the winds of your own knowledge.
knowledge that lacks wisdom
Why are you so afraid of? What prevents you from learning about that of which of you understand so little about? As a liberal aren't you the least bit courious to learn more about something? Surely you can't be claiming to know it can you?
Although I don't owe him an explanation, Chuckie has no way of knowing how many churches I've attended in all my years.
I've read Mere Christianity, as well as many other theological and philosophical works. There's no question I am far better read and informed than he imagines himself to be. This is proven in almost every exchange.
Just as "By their fruits you shall know them" applies to false prophets, it also applies to false Christians who show so much hate for their neighbor.
Maybe Chuckie believes "neighbor" literally means the woman next door who won't talk to him?
Tom doesn't even have the guts to respond to reasonable questions directed at him, not the children he allows to turn his site into a 5 year olds foul mouthed playground. He doesn't want reasonable discussion, just the garbage he seems to collect here. I guess we should congratulate Tom, at least he's keeping these haters off the street from killing people, he just keeps them here yelling at each other.
LOL GOP:
What have you done to make life more difficult from women and children fleeing ungodly horrors today?
https://twitter.com/LOLGOP
Sarah Posner @sarahposner 60m60 minutes ago
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Looks like Chuckie and his fellow haters went to VA to shout down a meeting for a new mosque.
“Every one of you are terrorists. You can smile at me. I don’t care what you say — every Muslim is a terrorist.”
When some of those in attendance attempted to inform the man otherwise, they were told to “shut your mouth. I don’t want to hear your mouth. I will do everything that I can do to keep you from doing what you’re doing. It will happen. That will happen.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVhZcPl9qNA
The hater got applause from other false Christian haters.
I did mention about those over active amygdalas, didn't I?
Bingo Davy and I do not owe you an explanation of my faith
If you had read Mere Christanity as you claim you would not called McVeigh or Koresh or Roof to be Christians Based on their own testimony, not your false labels
You have no hand in this and honestly I think you are lying about what you have read and know about the Christian faith
Known by their fruits, explain how your support of abortion works using that litmus test, if you can
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Davy
How childish of you, but not unexpected
Chuckie says it's childish to point out the hate he and his fellow bigots have for Muslims, liberals, journalists, minorities, teachers, union members, and all those who don't share his extreme and hypocritical false Christian hate.
He's as "Christian" as his fellow Klansmen.
Nothing to See Here, Just a Spy Agency Funded by Paranoid Billionaires
The Koch Brothers employ a team of 25 operatives, including ex-CIA agents, to investigate progressive groups and "threats" to their network.
The competitive intelligence team has a staff of 25, including one former CIA analyst, and operates from one of the non-descript Koch network offices clustered near the Courthouse metro stop in suburban Arlington, Va. It has provided network officials with documents detailing confidential voter-mobilization plans by major Democrat-aligned groups. It also sends regular "intelligence briefing" emails tracking the canvassing, phone-banking and voter-registration efforts of labor unions, environmental groups and their allies, according to documents reviewed by POLITICO and interviews with a half-dozen sources with knowledge of the group. The competitive intelligence team has gathered on-the-ground intelligence from liberal groups' canvassing events in an effort to assess the technology and techniques of field efforts to boost Democrats, according to the sources. And they say the team utilizes high-tech tactics to track the movements of liberal organizers, including culling geo-data embedded in their social media posts.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/the-koch-brothers-intelligence-agency-215943
Wow. Reading over a lot of the recent comments, I do indeed see a lot of demonizing, hate, and bullying. And it ain't all coming from Chuck. Chuck has tried on multiple occasions in this long thread to have a reasoned discussion without casting epithets, names, or switching topics. Each time he is met with those exact same tactics used against him and therefore will respond in kind some times.
I find it to be very sad that it is no longer acceptable for someone to actually support the rule of law and expect our "leaders" to follow the constitution. If I call someone out on their lawlessness or corruption, it is automatically assumed it is because the culprit is black, or a woman, or a Democrat.
It is sad that TRUE capitalism (not crony capitalism) is demonized despite being the driving force for America's economy and the untold myriads of inventions and innovations that that have helped make America the richest country in the world, where even our poor typically have a roof over their heads and a car.
It is sad that someone who believes in personal responsibility and taking care of his own is somehow looked down upon as selfish because he doesn't think that he should surrender undue amounts of his treasure to support those who simply want to live off of the backs of others when they are capable of providing for themselves.
It is TRULY sad that I cannot worship my God as my faith instructs me without the government and some people claiming that I am hateful and bigoted, and thereby violate my first amendment rights to the free exercise of my religion.
Yep, in some peoples' books, my beliefs in those things makes me a right-wing extremist worthy of derision and in need of "re-education", despite history, economics, and morality proving I am correct.
But what do I know... my amygdala governs my actions... right?
my amygdala governs my actions... right?
Could explain why one would carry a weapon for a sense of security. Or why one is afraid liberals are commies who hate America, etc.
"True capitalism" and "crony capitalism" are insufficient terms. It is global banking and corporatism now. Their bottom line dictates public policy and even military adventurism.
Once again. Obama is also shredding the rule of law with his drone assassination programs, among other acts.
TP,
And STOP assuming liberals want leeches spend money on. We want jobs with fair wages.
Why can't this sink in?
Demonization anyone?
I would not have voted for Obama if I had known he has no balls to fight the Radical Islamicals! When will he pull his head out of his skinny little ass?
Community Organizers make crappy Presidents.
Good News Everybody!
House Passes Syrian Refugee Bill!
47 DemocRATS vote for the bill to step up screening!
Dave, if you don't wish to exercise your 2nd amendment rights, that is your choice. If I do choose to exercise mine in light of the shootings and terrorism in the world, that is my right. I realize that the chances of my ever being caught up in such a dire situation is slim, but it would sure be good to be prepared if it did. I don't count on my house catching fire, but I do have a fire extinguisher for that same reason. I don't count on my car getting a flat tire, but I am prepared with a spare in case it does.
Protecting me and my family is far more important than either of those things. Cast your aspersions once again in Alinksky-fashion, but I am simply being responsible and prudent.
And most liberals look to government to solve all of their woes and ills. You want jobs and fair wages. So do I. I don't think government involvement typically helps that occur. Further, these unskilled burger flippers want $15.00 an hour. BS! Not when our armed forces are making less than that when they put their asses on the line. It is far more productive for most fools today to sit at home collecting unemployment and snap payments, since that is more lucrative than working a minimum wage job. Your solution is to raise the minimum wage by government fiat. My solution is to get rid of unnecessary government intrusion and regulation so more good jobs can be created.
And I'll stop with the liberal leeches crap, just as soon as you stop with the conservatives ONLY want tax cuts for the rich crap.
Chuck said its typical liberal tactic by Davy to claim I'm a fellow Klansman when he crus like the Snowflake he is if someone calls him a communist.
WE all know Davy can dish it out but can't take it, don't we!
Chuck @9:54PM, I have to agree. I'm starting to wonder if someone as thin skinned as Dave is really a Prison Guard. Must be he's a guard at a woman's prison.
My favorite phrase with this President
Veto Proof
“I do not believe that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through local and private effort" - JFK
“Continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit... " -President Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1935 State of the Union Address
The Democrat party has lost it's way. They push big government and dependency for their own sake. Their policies are destructive to our society and harmful to individuals. They are, by their great heroes own words, no better than drug pushers and just as destructive.
Chuckie and his fellow Klansmen need to call liberals commies don't they? Of course they do. The hood fits nicely over their ignorant and hateful heads.
Shame on those who agree with him.
TP,
OK, no more “conservatives ONLY want tax cuts for the rich crap” from me. ;-)
Both parties serve the interests of the economic elites over the public. Even Obama is pushing a corporate written trade agreement that become law of the land. Calling him a commie only draws attention to the accuser’s true hate and racism, or indoctrinated false belief and ignorance.
“Free speech” money buys policy, and we know who has the most “free speech”. People who vote for the primary corporatist party will be associated with the agenda of the elites, because their votes facilitate that agenda more so than votes for the Democratic Party.
the chances of my ever being caught up in such a dire situation is slim, but it would sure be good to be prepared if it did.
The amygdala is the area of the brain associated with the fight or flight response. You may say, by comparison I have an under-active amygdala, and it would be true relative to you. I won’t take offense. It is a fair statement. It’s not an “Alinsky fashioned aspersion”. It is science.
And most liberals look to government to solve all of their woes and ills.
This goes way beyond simple generalization. This is false and degrading propaganda, aka demonization. Now look who’s casting Alinsky-fashion aspersions.
I don't think government involvement typically helps that occur. (Jobs and fair wages)
This is opinion that needs supporting evidence. There are many government jobs that matter to the constitutional general welfare. Most Americans want a minimum wage, that goes up with a rising cost of living. It’s constitutional regulation of commerce. The government needed to end slavery and child labor, and still needs to regulate safer working conditions and pollution.
Idiots are free to call this communism, but again, they just reveal their ignorance and subservience to the agenda of the corporate elite.
Military pay has always been lower than civilian. If you don’t like it, vote to raise their pay, as well as other public employees who make less than the private sector. Fair?
It is far more productive for most fools today to sit at home….”
Yes, resentment is important, isn’t it? “Most fools” seems to indicate deep scorn and dislike for the poor. Nobody respects, or desires, leeches who can work and refuse. The vast majority of those on benefits do not fit this resent-driven and false stereotype.
Maybe many of those “fools” jobs were off-shored by the noble “job creators” whose political and economic agenda is being legislated by all Republicans and most Democrats. Hell, they even get to write the legislation. And they have folks like you whine about the terrible burdens suffered by billionaires and corporations under constitutional regulation and taxes. This is why Nixonian “mobilization of resentment” has been very successful for the economic elites.
THAT sir is your crony capitalism. The best government, and voters, money can buy.
I love it when stupid extremists lecture us on FDR.
FDR noted well the problem of “continued dependence upon relief”. This is correct. Stupid conservatives accuse liberals of wanting this, and ignore what FDR said afterwards. “Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers.”
Liberals agree, but stupid cons refuse to recognize this reality.
After economic collapse and depression left by Hoover and the Republican Party, unemployment went down in all but one year of all FDR’s terms.
So they call him a commie, of course. They don’t even know how stupid they look to reasonable people.
Does anyone but me remember when the lefties sang songs about the working man?
You know, tilling the land, sailing the seas, toiling in the mine, building the railroad.
Now, all the lefties do is send out the imperial guard to fence off local land and shut down the places the working man and woman worked at.
The lefties have absolutely no intention of living in fly-over country, but they must control the daily lives of their fellow citizens who do live there.
The Democrats need more than improved propaganda and get out the vote efforts.
They need to improve the track records of their programs: "Urban renewal" hurt the poor by tearing down businesses along with apartments and replacing it with new apartments but no jobs in sight.
AFDC made it profitable for poor women to get rid of their husbands so they could get government support and left the kids with no fathers.
Today the Democrats rely on big business and its crony capitalism to pay for their campaigns and repay them with laws that promote the export of jobs, damage small companies, etc.
The lefties have absolutely no intention of living in fly-over country,
Isn’t Obama from “fly over country”.
Authoritarian liars have no conscience or concern for truth.
Today the Democrats rely on big business and its crony capitalism to pay for their campaigns and repay them with laws that promote the export of jobs, damage small companies, etc.
Pay no attention to the GOP Kochs and the GOP Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street cash to BOTH parties. More projection from a Republican propagandist.
Nice try Chuckie.
We face a situation where an institutionally anti-social element lives in our midst which is unlikely ever to be tamed. Appeasement will not work. Bribery will not work. They will merely take our money to spend on bombs. It is time now for those involved in terrorism to feel fear. Our response has to be so determined and so effective they will tremble at the thought of it.
Meanwhile, during the second world war, persons from countries with which we were at war had to register and could be confined. It did not matter how innocent the individual. The same should apply now. Every Moslem (for every terrorist is recruited from their numbers) should be required to be registered and their DNA, fingerprints et al should be recorded. They should also have to carry ID cards.
Only a buffoon believes Islam is a "Religion of Peace."
Dave, are you a disciple of Muhammad? amirite?
No response to the question will indicate yes.
Dave, I'm confused about your "Religion of Peace."
How come if I stood up in a crowded restaurant and shouted "Allahu Akbhar", everyone would dive under their table.
But if I were to jump up and shout “Jesus Christ is Lord”, people would merely pause, look at me like I had 2 heads and then go on eating.
Aww, Mitzi is confused.
I wonder what "she" is wearing today. Are her tight new high heels making her irritable?
No response to the question will indicate yes.
Is it Christian arrogance, or Right wing fanaticism, for "Mitzi" to assume a person is Muslim? "Her" tight shoes must be a distraction to "her" thinking.
Why does "she" remind me of "Tyrone Witherspoon(s)"?
It is the clash of the medieval faith and modern world in which they actually live (developed in post reformation christian states) that is the cause of so much confusion to the infantile fanatics who become terrorists. This is not to excuse them, however. amirite?
Yes, the same applies to Christian terrorists who murder doctors, or peaceful Unitarians and Blacks in their churches. Westboro Baptists are also notorious for their cruel insensitivity to the grief of veterans'and others' families. They are also demented enough to think they are doing "God's work".
Many people of diverse beliefs in developed countries cling to medieval thinking.
Hannity Misreads A Pew Study To Claim That "Significant" Numbers Of Muslims Support ISIS
Pew Study: "In Nations With Significant Muslim Populations, Much Disdain For ISIS"
Radio host and Fox News personality Sean Hannity grossly misrepresented a Pew Research poll detailing views of ISIS in countries with significant Muslim populations to misleadingly claim that there are "significant levels of support for ISIS within the Muslim world." The survey actually found that Muslim views of ISIS are "overwhelmingly negative."
On the November 20 edition of The Sean Hannity Show, Hannity claimed that a new Pew poll "reveals significant levels of support for ISIS within the Muslim world." He also alleged that the poll showed that there could be hundreds of millions of ISIS sympathizers and added that "numbers are far greater than the world has acknowledged."
SEAN HANNITY (HOST): How about we look at the poll numbers they put out, and let's talk about whether or not this could be true, because it reveals significant levels of support for ISIS within the Muslim world. They went to 11 representative nation-states -- excuse me, let me finish my question -- and up to 14 percent of the population has a favorable view of ISIS, and upwards of 62 percent can't decide. They don't know whether they have a favorable opinion. Don't you find those numbers chilling?
[...]
HANNITY: I am looking at these numbers, between 63 million and 287 million ISIS supporters in just 11 countries.
However, the Pew poll found that the data showed "overwhelmingly ... negative views of ISIS" in the eleven countries. From Pew:
According to newly released data that the Pew Research Center collected in 11 countries with significant Muslim populations, people from Nigeria to Jordan to Indonesia overwhelmingly expressed negative views of ISIS.
One exception was Pakistan, where a majority offered no definite opinion of ISIS. The nationally representative surveys were conducted as part of the Pew Research Center's annual global poll in April and May this year.
In no country surveyed did more than 15% of the population show favorable attitudes toward Islamic State. And in those countries with mixed religious and ethnic populations, negative views of ISIS cut across these lines.
Davy
You just proved my point. You can dish it out calling me a Klansman but have a stroke when you're called a commie
Just as I predicted you would
Typical Snowflake Davy
A stroke? LOL!! I guess the hood fits.
Chuckie has been calling me a commie for years. Why? Because he's an idiot.
Does it bother me? No. I'm used to idiots calling me a commie. I've been called far worse by other idiots. Despite Chuckie's numerous episodes linking other names to a commie site, he still has no clue what communism is. He has no clue what socialism is. He has no clue to what the differences are.
Just as he has no clue about the socialist provisions of our Constitution. He HATES the fact we have constitutional regulation of commerce and the general welfare. Even the founders established a tax for health care.
If he hates America so much he should leave.
He's too ignorant to understand. All that matters to him is to try to tear down all resistance to his beloved and totally corrupt GOP.
This is why he emulates fascists by demonizing those who don't drink his koolade.
How are those heels, Chuckie?
I'll answer when Chuckie answers my questions.
Is "snowflake" the new derogatory term passed down by your authoritarian leaders?
How is the threat of radical Islam a threat to liberal beliefs?
What the hell sense does this make? Why do you paint me with the very things you do?
Are you Klan member?
Why do you and Klansmen claim to be Christian?
What have you done to follow the second of the Two Greatest commandments?
Do you love your enemies?
Is it Christian to ignore the second of these commandments?
What evidence do you have that I am afraid of or hate anything?
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Free answer:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?referrer=&_r=1
The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat
...Right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
T. Paine: "But what do I know... my amygdala governs my actions... right?"
Let's hope so. I'd rather not believe that your conservative beliefs are purely based upon free will and expression.
Care to list the right wing groups who are committing these murders ?
Or are you claiming those killed by cops are victims of right wing?
Good to see you are back to I'll answer your when you first answer mine game that you love to play.
How very typical of you Snowflake
You only do that when you are afraid to answer questions
Or you will claim the questions are so stupid they are don't warrant your reply. You've done that as well
Come on Davy I'm playing by your rules.
You only do that when you are afraid to answer questions
From the real coward who is afraid to answer questions. No answer indicates he's a Klansman. (Playing by Chuckie/Mitzi rules).
Accusing others of one's own negative behavior = Projection.
Chuckie chooses to cover his eyes and ignore the link to Right Wing terrorists. Proof of willful ignorance.
It's only terrorism when Muslims do it. IOKIYAR, amirite?
LOL. Davy calling someone a coward cause they won't answer his question yet he's afraid to answer any questions
What a Snowflake!
yet he's afraid to answer any questions
Says the liar who never answers question. IOKIYAR, amirite?
Chicken Chuckie's projected LIE melts like a snowflake in the light of truth. How symbolic.
His demand: List the right wing terriost attacks in America since 9/11
Free answer:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?referrer=&_r=1
The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat
...Right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
Told you it's willful ignorance, Right Wing extremist hate's most useful partner. This hateful and dangerous man is probably armed.
Poor Chuckie. His lie is melting like the wet Wicked Witch. LOL!!!
"Snowflake" is his latest and greatest projection, as his stupidity melts into a puddle of ignorance in the face of reality.
Even TP won't take Chuckie's side on this one.
Poor, poor little lonely loser.
Davy
You're the lid calling the kettle black when it comes to lying
Snowflake!
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