Hell Care
AMERICA'S WORST KEPT SECRET: Healthcare in this country is beyond dismal. The good news is that it's about to get a whole lot better for a whole lot of people.
"In short, in the US, you pay more, get less, and die younger than we do in Europe. What part of that don't you understand? My fellow Americans, you have nothing to fear except those who would use fear to keep you enslaved to the myth of the might of the American health care system."
Jeff Degan, 2009
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| Jeff Degan |
That's from an open letter my brother, Jeff, wrote four years ago, directed to the readers of the Rant. For over twenty years he has lived on the other side of the pond. In short, he's looked at life from both sides now. He and his wife and two daughters have been treated at various times at hospitals in Britain, France and Germany. His verdict is that the hospitals OVER THERE are, at the very least, equal to the quality of health care in the United States. In many ways they're superior. His only complaint is that the food in English hospitals is not very good. That seems to be everyone's pet peeve about merrie olde England. I beg to differ. You've never had fish and chips until you've had them wrapped in wax paper, sprinkled with vinegar.
One last thought on the subject of Brother Jeff: Moving back to the states will never be an option for him. He says the quality of life is better in France. I'll take him at his word.
"Obamacare" (The right wing doesn't dare call it by its real name: "Affordable Care") is now the law of the land - passed in both houses of Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. It's certainly not perfect, but as this country moves further to the left in the years to come (it's already happening - deal with it) it can be improved upon and it will be. Bringing it into existence, making it a reality, are merely baby-steps on the path to the bill's ultimate improvement (I can't bring myself to use the word "perfection". It's becoming clearer to me each day that perfection is an illusion).
The government shutdown is over and the debt ceiling debacle has been worked out - for the time being anyway. The numbskulls - who today desecrate the same floors that were once walked upon by the likes of Henry Clay and William Seward - are looking worse than ever. Polls are now telling us that even most registered Republicans can't wait for the day that the Democrats control Congress. That is a good news/bad news scenario. If I were a registered Democrat, I certainly wouldn't go around bragging about it. My only consolation is that there is at least a spark of hope for the Dems. The GOP is beyond redemption. Now you see them; soon you won't.
The very fact that the extremists would send this country to the precipice of economic catastrophe should tell you all you need to know about their weird agenda. Uber-doofus, Ted Cruz, said on CNN the other day that he has every intention sending us there again at the first opportunity that presents itself. You see, Canadian-born Teddy boy is running for president in three years. He's read the political writing on the wall and he knows damn well that the "party of Abraham Lincoln" is doomed if it dares to nominate a (GET THIS) "moderate" like Mitt Romney in 2016. That's right, class; the man who accused forty-seven percent of the American people of being beggars and thieves wasn't right wing enough for these knuckleheads. The clear thinkers on the RNC (I think there are about two of them) are frightened-to-death of the possibility of a third party uprising if Ted and crew don't get their way. That's why that party is doomed. This is so much fun to watch, isn't it?
Think about this: As unpopular as Ted Cruz is nationally, when he made an personal appearance this past weekend in his home state of Texas, he received an eight minute long, standing ovation. Molly Ivins once posed the rhetorical question about her home state: "Just what is it about Texas?" You've gotta wonder.
Ted has been stomping around the country blabbering about the "train-wreck" of Obamacare and all of the damage it is doing to this grand and glorious land of ours. That's kind of interesting when one takes into account the fact that it's barely off the ground. If the Conservatives really believed that the Affordable Care Act was as bad as they're saying, they wouldn't be going to all these extremes to stop it. As they have demonstrated too-many-times-to-count, they will do anything to make this president look bad - the well-being of the American people be damned. They're trying to stop it because they know it's going to be successful; just like Medicaid and Medicare were successful.
Before President Johnson signed those two bills into law almost fifty years ago, the right-wingers, within Congress and without, went positively apoplectic in their efforts to warn us of the damage those two programs would do to the land of the free:
"One of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”
Ronald Reagan
So help me, he actually said that. Ronnie's dire warnings aside, Medicare and Medicaid worked out pretty well in the long run - and that is precisely what scares the shit out of the Republicans. I can't stress this enough: They are not our friends. Sooner or later most people will understand this. In fact they're starting to figure it out. High time, ay?
Affordable Care has arrived. It's here to stay. Learn to live with it.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SUGGESTED LISTENING:
In 1961 Ronald Reagan, then a failed B movie actor, recorded an album on RCA Victor Records, warning his fellow Americans about the "evils" of "socialized medicine". When you have a moment to spare, give a listen to this excerpt. It's a scream:
One last thought on the subject of Brother Jeff: Moving back to the states will never be an option for him. He says the quality of life is better in France. I'll take him at his word.
"Obamacare" (The right wing doesn't dare call it by its real name: "Affordable Care") is now the law of the land - passed in both houses of Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. It's certainly not perfect, but as this country moves further to the left in the years to come (it's already happening - deal with it) it can be improved upon and it will be. Bringing it into existence, making it a reality, are merely baby-steps on the path to the bill's ultimate improvement (I can't bring myself to use the word "perfection". It's becoming clearer to me each day that perfection is an illusion).
The government shutdown is over and the debt ceiling debacle has been worked out - for the time being anyway. The numbskulls - who today desecrate the same floors that were once walked upon by the likes of Henry Clay and William Seward - are looking worse than ever. Polls are now telling us that even most registered Republicans can't wait for the day that the Democrats control Congress. That is a good news/bad news scenario. If I were a registered Democrat, I certainly wouldn't go around bragging about it. My only consolation is that there is at least a spark of hope for the Dems. The GOP is beyond redemption. Now you see them; soon you won't.
The very fact that the extremists would send this country to the precipice of economic catastrophe should tell you all you need to know about their weird agenda. Uber-doofus, Ted Cruz, said on CNN the other day that he has every intention sending us there again at the first opportunity that presents itself. You see, Canadian-born Teddy boy is running for president in three years. He's read the political writing on the wall and he knows damn well that the "party of Abraham Lincoln" is doomed if it dares to nominate a (GET THIS) "moderate" like Mitt Romney in 2016. That's right, class; the man who accused forty-seven percent of the American people of being beggars and thieves wasn't right wing enough for these knuckleheads. The clear thinkers on the RNC (I think there are about two of them) are frightened-to-death of the possibility of a third party uprising if Ted and crew don't get their way. That's why that party is doomed. This is so much fun to watch, isn't it?Think about this: As unpopular as Ted Cruz is nationally, when he made an personal appearance this past weekend in his home state of Texas, he received an eight minute long, standing ovation. Molly Ivins once posed the rhetorical question about her home state: "Just what is it about Texas?" You've gotta wonder.
Ted has been stomping around the country blabbering about the "train-wreck" of Obamacare and all of the damage it is doing to this grand and glorious land of ours. That's kind of interesting when one takes into account the fact that it's barely off the ground. If the Conservatives really believed that the Affordable Care Act was as bad as they're saying, they wouldn't be going to all these extremes to stop it. As they have demonstrated too-many-times-to-count, they will do anything to make this president look bad - the well-being of the American people be damned. They're trying to stop it because they know it's going to be successful; just like Medicaid and Medicare were successful.
Before President Johnson signed those two bills into law almost fifty years ago, the right-wingers, within Congress and without, went positively apoplectic in their efforts to warn us of the damage those two programs would do to the land of the free:
"One of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”
Ronald Reagan
So help me, he actually said that. Ronnie's dire warnings aside, Medicare and Medicaid worked out pretty well in the long run - and that is precisely what scares the shit out of the Republicans. I can't stress this enough: They are not our friends. Sooner or later most people will understand this. In fact they're starting to figure it out. High time, ay?
Affordable Care has arrived. It's here to stay. Learn to live with it.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
In 1961 Ronald Reagan, then a failed B movie actor, recorded an album on RCA Victor Records, warning his fellow Americans about the "evils" of "socialized medicine". When you have a moment to spare, give a listen to this excerpt. It's a scream:
OH. THE HUMANITY!!!
But seriously, folks.
AFTERTHOUGHT, 10/16/13, 7:35AM:
Our family laid to rest the remains of Jerry and Grace Degan yesterday. It might sound a bit trite, but this is indeed the end of an era. Here's a photograph of Uncle Jerry and I taken in Northridge, California in May of 1985:
AFTERTHOUGHT, 10/16/13, 7:35AM:
Our family laid to rest the remains of Jerry and Grace Degan yesterday. It might sound a bit trite, but this is indeed the end of an era. Here's a photograph of Uncle Jerry and I taken in Northridge, California in May of 1985:
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| Tom and Jerry |
posted by Tom Degan @ 4:55 AM
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124 Comments:
Yes, the Affordable Care Act ("ACA"), although far from perfection, is a step in the...correct direction.
Today, ACA...tomorrow, possibly single-payer. That's what your brother and his family enjoys, and we need this in our country also. It works, and it's the best solution to rising healthcare costs.
What I've found fascinating about the right-wing's response to this, is their refusal to offer a viable alternative that's more cost effective than the ACA. Has anyone proposed a compromise solution, beyond the sinkhole of a system we've had since WWII? I haven't heard any. Not one.
Well, I'll say one thing for sure, this roll out of the ACA TAX answers the question "what could possibly go wrong with the government running my health care?"
Gee, Tom. In what other first world country could "Breaking Bad" have happened? Would you deny Americans such vital artistic opportunities by providing universal health care?
(Yeah, so would I.)
Absolutely, JG, "their refusal to offer a viable alternative" says it all. Well, that and, "Let 'em die".
Lord knows I've tried to get them to articulate any possible solutions from their side. Not a peep.
They seek only to erase Obama's presidency. "Not-racists" that they are. ;-)
From a strategic point of view, the GOP's posture is all wrong. If ACA is so awful I'd let it happen!! What better way to slime the Democrats that with their own sacred cow policy. It would be a law that haunt the Dems for a generation.
Instead, the GOP has come off as anti-healthcare. They've come off as anti-poor. Most importantly they've painted anyone using any government program as being a "slaker," "taker," and "looking for a handout."
They've put forth no plan of their own and ironically this form of ACA wasn't even what Obama wanted--if anyone remembers.
The contrariness of the GOP towards anything "Obama" has rotted them out from the inside out.
Although Tom shudders at a Democratic majority, I'm a little more vindictive and I would love to show the world and the rest of this country how this bigoted, racist, greedy, hateful, and selfish demographic known as the GOP was shouted down and dismantled.
Jay
http://loraxlog.blogspot.com
Nice blog, Jay.
The Lorax Log
Cheers!
Tom Degan
By Anna Gorman and Julie Appleby
KHN Staff Writers
Oct 21, 2013
Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.
The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are cancelling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions.
By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules.
But the cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.
“I don’t feel like I need to change, but I have to,” said Jeff Learned, a television editor in Los Angeles, who must find a new plan for his teenage daughter, who has a health condition that has required multiple surgeries.
An estimated 14 million people purchase their own coverage because they don’t get it through their jobs. Calls to insurers in several states showed that many have sent notices.
Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.
SAW THIS COMING A MILE AWAY, JUST SPEND MORE MONEY AND BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE LIBERAL FAILURE.
Rep. Steny Hoyer wants to give President Obama more money to help fix the costly federal health care exchanges that have been roiled by problems since they launched at the beginning of the month.
Asked Tuesday how Congress could help improve the system by which millions of Americans must buy insurance by the end of the year, the House minority whip and Maryland Democrat said, “We can give them a little money.”
“[Republicans have] been pretty much focused in the House of Representatives on undermining the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in every which way that we possibly could,” he said.
Hoyer admitted that he does not know whether the project, which has already cost more than $400 million, has faced funding problems. “I don’t think that’s the reason,” he said. “If I know that, I’ll blame it.”
Gotta love people like Anonmymous.Keeping up the fight in the face of overwhelming evidence that he's wrong. The Bubble is strong with that one...
Only a Socialist can show his/her true colors and lie to the American People that the ObamaCare online service is running fine.
Just like Baghdad Bob.
There is not enough lipstick in Amerika to make the ObamaCare government pig pretty.
How about those good paying jobs the president promised?
CNSNews.com) - The number of Americans who are 16 years or older and who have decided not to participate in the nation's labor force has climbed to a record 90,609,000 in September, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The BLS counts a person as participating in the labor force if they are 16 years or older and either have a job or have actively sought a job in the last four weeks. A person is not participating in the labor force if they are 16 or older and have not sought a job in the last four weeks.
In from July to August, according to BLS, Americans not participating in the labor force climbed from 89,957,000 to 90,473,000, pushing past 90,000,000 for the first time, with a one month increase of 516,000.
In September, it climbed again to 90,609,000, an increase of 136,000 during the month.
In January 2009, when President Barack Obama took office, there were 80,507,000 Americans not in the labor force. Thus, the number of Americans not in the labor force has increased by 10,102,000 during Obama's presidency.
More of the democrat party's war on women!
(CNSNews.com) - American women participated in the nation’s labor force in September at a rate that matched the lowest level in 24 years, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
At the same time, the number of women actually holding jobs declined by 154,000 from August to September.
Because the number of women participating in the labor force declined in September, the drop in the number of women who were actually employed did not cause an increase in the unemployment rate for women.
(CNSNews.com) - A large majority of Americans say they did not miss the federal government when it was partially shutdown during the first half of October, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released today.
The survey conducted Oct. 17-20 asked 1,002 adults: “Were you personally inconvenienced by the partial shutdown of the federal government or not?”
If the person said they were inconvenienced, the survey asked this followup: “Was it a major inconvenience or a minor inconvenience?”
78 percent said that they were not inconvenienced by the partial shutdown of the government. Of the 22 percent who said they were inconvenienced, 11 percent said it was a major inconvenience and 11 percent said it was a minor inconvenience.
Ah, life in the bubble.
Obamacare is not socialism, "Baghdad Vanessa".
So cons are happy at inconveniencing millions of Americans. How thoughtful.
And that's a good reason to vote for Republicans, as long as they don't inconvenience their masters, right, Chuckie?
Keep playing the commie cards folks, as you support anti-democracy dictatorship by the elites.
THIS FROM THE MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION IN OUR HISTORY?
Feds ask Blue Cross Blue Shield not to release exchange numbers
FARGO – The Obama administration asked North Dakota’s largest health insurer not to publicize how many people have signed up for health insurance through a new online exchange, a company official says.
By: Kyle Potter, INFORUM - (701) 241-5502
FARGO – "The Obama administration asked North Dakota’s largest health insurer not to publicize how many people have signed up for health insurance through a new online exchange, a company official says.
During a Monday forum in Fargo for people interested in signing up for coverage via the exchange, James Nichol of Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota told the crowd his company received the request from the federal government earlier Monday. Nichol is a consumer sales manager for the company.
Still, a spokeswoman from Blue Cross Blue Shield says about 14 North Dakotans have signed up for coverage since the federal exchange went live Oct. 1. That brings total statewide enrollment to 20 – less than one a day.
An official from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, one of the main the federal agencies handling the federal marketplace, would not directly address questions about the request made of Blue Cross Blue Shield, including whether other insurers were also asked to keep quiet about enrollment."
If the ACA Tax is so wonderful, so amazing, so great that if you ever DO get signed up for it you will love it, how come tax dollars have to be spent to advertise and encourage people to apply for it? If it's that wonderful, loveable, amazing, then where are the 30 million (or is it 40 million?) Americans without healthcare? Why aren't they marching on D.C demanding this inconvenience to their getting their free health care be removed?
Conservatives love it when the majority (78%) of Americans polled did not find the the limited Govt shut down an inconvenience. The more Americans that do not rely on BIG govt for their needs, the better off America is.
Which is why the news of the record number of Americans who decided not to work claiming to 90,609,000 in Sept. doesn't garner a wink, a mention, a crawler, much less a post on a liberal blog. It is a surprise then that in the past 5 years the govt has spent over $3.7 trillion on welfare, that is an amount 5 times greater that what was spent in total on Transportation, education and NASA?
We were promised that if elected Obama would fundamentally change America. That is one promise he has kept, to the detriment of all of us.
(CBS News) — CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration’s efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.
The administration announced it would provide a new “shop and browse” feature Sunday, but it’s not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News’ Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on “CBS This Morning.”
As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls “improvements” in design, specifically a feature that allows you to “See Plans Now.” White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, “Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse.”
But CBS News has learned the new “shop and browse” feature often comes with the wrong price tags.
Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: “49 or under” and “50 or older.”
Wu said it’s “incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they’re paying.”
Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.
Conservatives love it when the majority (78%) of Americans polled did not find the the limited Govt shut down an inconvenience.
So cons must LOVE IT when millions ARE inconvenienced, as long as it doesn't affect anyone in their bubble. That's real swell of them. Bet it gives them a tingle up their leg.
Real Transparency.
csteventucker.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/3710/
Transparency. Is that the example Obama learned from the "uniter not a divider", compassionate conservative Decider?
On Wednesday, CNN’s Dana Bash tweeted that all Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2014 will reportedly support a delay of Obamacare’s enrollment deadline.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), who is up for re-election in 2014, wrote to Obama on Tuesday and asked him to delay the enrollment deadline for the individual mandate. “Given the existing problems with the website, I urge you to consider extending open enrollment beyond the current end date of March 31, 2014,” Shaheen wrote to the president. "Allowing extra time for consumers is critically important so they have the opportunity to become familiar with the website, survey their options and enroll.”
On Wednesday, Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR), who is facing a tough challenge in his 2014 re-election against Rep. Tom Cotton (R-AR), came out in support of Shaheen’s call for a delay of the individual mandate’s enrollment deadline. Pryor had previously been on record as supportive of the mandate as is.
Now, according to CNN’s Bash, the Democratic Party is coordinating an effort to support a delay in the individual mandate.
“new: senior dem source tells me to expect every sen dem running in 2014 to back @JeanneShaheen proposal to delay #ACA enrollment deadline,” Bash tweeted on early Wednesday evening.
Census: 49% of Americans Get Gov’t Benefits; 82M in Households on Medicaid
October 23, 2013 - 4:51 PM
By Terence P. Jeffrey
(CNSNews.com) - "In the fourth quarter of 2011, 49.2 percent of Americans received benefits from one or more government programs, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.
In total, the Census Bureau estimated, 151,014,000 Americans out of a population then estimated to be 306,804,000 received benefits from one or more government programs during the last three months of 2011. Those 151,014,000 beneficiaries equaled 49.2 percent of the population.
This included 82,457,000 people--or 26.9 percent of the population--who lived in households in which one or more people received Medicaid benefits.
Also among the 151,014,000 who received benefits from one or more government programs during that period: 49,901,000 who collected Social Security; 49,073,000 who got food stamps; 46,440,000 on Medicare; 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 20,223,000 getting Supplemental Security Income;13,433,000 who lived in public or subsidized rental housing; 5,098,000 who got unemployment; 3,178,000 who got veterans' benefits; and 364,000 who got railroad retirement benefits.
When Obamacare is fully implemented on Jan. 1, 2014, Americans earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level will qualify for a federal subsidy to buy health insurance."
And if is amnesty passed, what will that percent be?
Who is paying for all of this? Is it in their best interests to want to this percentage to climb?
What is the percentage in 2012 and 2013?
Chuckie loves copy and pasting Breitbart and Pat Robertson's so called "news". He dearly loves those sites piling on to his bitter resentments, hate and anger.
You want to see foaming hate? Go to Breitbart and read the comments. And check the “Christian” hypocrites’ comments at CNS and see the cult fuming and riling each other up in their hatred for fellow Americans. Good old fashioned Right Wing Christian hate. Nothing like it.
Gee did they explain how many of the people getting benefits earned them, or PAID into the programs?
Nope.
Did they tell us 49,901,000 who collected Social Security paid into it?
Nope.
Did they tell us 5,098,000 who got unemployment worked actual jobs, but had them taken away?
Nope.
Did they tell us 3,178,000 who got veterans' benefits served for it?
Nope.
Did they tell us any of the 46,440,000 on Medicare paid into it?
Nope.
But man oh, man the hate overflows.
Who is paying for all of this?
Many are those who collect, along with the rest of us who can afford to pay taxes. The working class pays a much higher percentage of their earnings for safety nets than the elites. But the elites own the politicians that keep the caps low for them. These are the folks the Right wants to rule our country.
Is it in their best interests to want to this percentage to climb?
Apparently it is in interests of the corporate “job providers” off-shoring American jobs.
Say, has anyone noticed that Obamacare has taken over as the bubble’s biggest “threat” to our freedom?
Not a peep about warrantless surveillance, torture, drones, FISA and the Patriot Act.
And whatever happened to Benghazi? LOL!
Still waiting for the Right’s sane and compassionate alternative health care program.
For your reading pleasure....
A pretty good assessment of Obamacare
Thank you John for posting the link providing the truth about the ACA Tax.
The fact that the Dem. Senators who are up for re election are crying for a delay, speaks volumes of the mess this administration has made of this and every thing else they have touched. They are hiding from it, running from, hoping that the mandate dead line is extended PAST their reelection day. Only one reason why they would do that.
What America had before the ACA Tax was better than this mess, and to ask for an alternative is just a straw man argument.
The 30 million uninsured Americas must not want the ACA Tax or they would be marching in the streets NOW demanding this cow patty of a website be fixed so they could sign up.
The fact that there is no mass out cry is all you need to know to understand how the majority of Americans do not want the ACA Tax! Much less the uninsured.
We are finding out first hand what could go wrong with govt running and controlling my health care. And it is in the words of a Dem Senator, a "train wreck".
"On Wednesday, CNN’s Dana Bash tweeted that all Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2014 will reportedly support a delay of Obamacare’s enrollment deadline."
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Now the Senate DemocRATS that forced Obamacare down the peoples throats with shady backroom deals ARE SQUEALING LIKE PIGS to delay the enrollment deadline for the individual mandate!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh an election must be coming up!
If ObamaCare is sooooooooooooooooooo great why do they want to delay it?
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHm, must be they don't want to give up their spot running the plantation of slaves.
Dave Dubya, can these Rats running for reelection blame it on Bush still?
Anonymous "What America had before the ACA Tax was better than this mess…"
Actually, what you had before the ACA was a mess that covered less people.
"...and to ask for an alternative is just a straw man argument."
"The speed limit is too high!"
"Really? What should it be?"
"Asking for an alternative is just a straw man argument!"
"The fact that there is no mass out cry is all you need to know to understand how the majority of Americans do not want the ACA Tax!"
"People really hate this thing."
"They do."
"Yeah. Look at all the people not protesting it."
"We are finding out first hand what could go wrong with govt running and controlling my health care."
Poll: Medicare, Medicaid among most popular gov't services:
"Medicare and crime fighting/prevention were the most popular services and programs, supported 'a great deal' or 'somewhat' by 88% of respondents."
"Also popular with large majorities of adults were...Medicaid (74%)…"
"And it is in the words of a Dem Senator, a 'train wreck'."
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Considering Obama's Conservative stance on many of the big ticket political items like social services, civil liberties,and war mongering, I did not have high hopes for the ACA. After reading dozens of articles, it seems the ACA will be a lousy deal for most people.
We are living in an age of insane pathological greed showcased by politicians, the elite, and the corporate world. The middle class is getting screwed from every angle and it looks like the ACA is more of the same.
Obama's major historical legacy will not be the ACA, it will be the Trans Pacific Partnership. It is due to be ratified by the end of this month. Six hundred of the worlds largest corps have written the rules by which we will live by. Their rights will supersede all local, state and federal laws and and the quality of life for Americans will be going down another few steps.
I believe the TPP is the most treasonous anti-American legislation in US history. And guess what, it has the total support of the Republicans, that should take the smirk off of Harry's face. LOL
And your point is Modusoperandi, that the ACA Tax is great and all 30 million uninsured Americans are screaming for it!
Right.
If the goal of the ACA Tax is to insure the 30 million Americans that do not have health insurance, how good of a job is it doing?
If this is better than what was there before, why have special interest groups been given wavered OUT of the legal requirement to pay the ACA Tax by it's namesake, President Obama?
If this is better than what was there before, how come the cost of health car insurance is going up for the people who already had insurance?
If this is better than what was in place before, how come we cant keep my Dr, as I was promised?
If this is better than what we had before, does the 1st family have to sign up to pay the ACA Tax? Or the Senate, or the House?
The best indicator of how popular the ACA Tax is can best be summed with the news that Senate Dems up for re-election are asking the mandate be postponed till after their election. That should be clear enough for any died in the wool liberal to understand the reality of the mess the ACA Tax is.
Pure incompetency on the part of this Administration. Medical IRA's would have been more effective in reaching the goal of everyone being required to have health insurance.
My, Chuckie is in quite lather, isn’t he? That darn Obamacare has him utterly freaked out. Worse than Benghazi, and that was worse than 9-11, right?
Better freak out!
Obamacare is now “worse than the civil war” according the cult.
These are the frightened sheep of the Tea Cult, baaaing over imaginary wolves, or death panels, in their midst. These poor wretches are so far gone they actually believe liberals are destroying America. Remember, this panic is from the crew that declares that Bush and Romney were “not conservative”. And their sliver of a minority is demanding dictatorial powers over the American people.
Their beliefs are all cultivated to fear political opposition to the far Right and corporate manipulation of our government. They are indoctrinated to support the party that is actively doing its best to suppress democracy.
Look at the pathetic arguments that reek of desperation and hysteria.
What America had before the ACA Tax was better than this mess, and to ask for an alternative is just a straw man argument.
Better than what? Obamacare is not yet implemented. It is an outright false comparison. Even so, to suggest that people formerly denied care due to pre-existing conditions would be treated “better than this mess” is totally false. If Obamacare was such a great evil, it shouldn’t too hard to suggest a sane and compassionate alternative. Going backwards is both impossible and cruel, but discussion of a viable healthcare system is never a straw man. It is as relevant as any pouting tamper tantrums we see from the crybabies in the bubble.
I say Medicare for all would be the cheaper, saner, and more compassionate alternative. No suggestions whatsoever from the side that’s busy freaking out, just as they are programmed to do
We are finding out first hand what could go wrong with govt running and controlling my health care.
Nonsense and dishonest. First, Chuckie is not finding out anything first hand. He copy and pastes almost everything. Second, the government is NOT running and controlling his health care; medical professionals and the insurance company are.
That said, it is entertaining, in a twisted way, to see the whining Bubble Babies go wild with fear, as dishonesty is their only shield.
Racist reporters! All Tea party members.
With the grueling government shutdown fight over for now, President Barack Obama is heading out on the campaign trail to raise money for House and Senate Democrats, as well as the Democratic National Committee.
Between Friday and the end of November, Obama will appear at seven fundraisers — three each for House and Senate Democrats and one for the DNC. The DNC fundraiser and two of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee events have not been previously reported.
Obama’s month of fundraising will begin Friday when he is set to headline a dinner and reception in New York City on behalf of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the first of three DCCC-related fundraisers the president is scheduled to appear at within the next month. He will also appear with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and DCCC Chairman Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) on Oct. 30 outside Boston and on Nov. 24 in a Seattle suburb.
Obama pledged to take part in 14 fundraising events for House and Senate Democrats in 2013, but has appeared at just five so far. He will have done 10 House and Senate fundraisers by Thanksgiving.
LOL fake "Dave Dubya"!
SWEET!
One of President Obama’s most ardent liberal supporters has defected from ObamaCare.
Rep. Jared Polis, D-Boulder, told a Colorado health policy think tank that ObamaCare premiums will be too expensive for some of the wealthiest addresses in America – ski resorts like Breckenridge and Keystone.
He says he’s asking the feds to let them sit out the president’s national health system.
“We will be encouraging a waiver,” Polis told Health Policy Solutions in a story that ran today. “It will be difficult for Summit County residents to become insured. For the vast majority, it’s too high a price to pay.”
The resorts are in Summit County and Aspen is in a neighboring county, which Polis also represents. He has consistently voted in favor of ObamaCare.
Polis also wrote to Colorado’s insurance commissioner asking why an average 40-year-old mountaintop resident would have to fork over $427.80 a month while counterparts in Denver would pay $296.41 for the same plan.
The 'The ACA is the Wrong Direction, Time for Medicare for All' article I linked to was not saying our current system is better or worse than the ACA, it points out that the for profit insurance system has not worked well for the majority of citizens prior to ACA nor is it likely to after it is in place. The fact is that most other developed nations are getting better outcomes, wider coverage and lower costs with their healthcare. It is stupid to pursue a 'for profit' system that has proven inferior because the notion of 'socialized medicine' does not fit in with one's political ideology. It is just as stupid to support the ACA because your political opponents are opposed to it.
James, I think you are right about the significance of the Trans Pacific Partnership. That agreement does not look like a good deal for the citizens - but as you pointed out, it is not for the citizens.
I love watching embarrassed conservatives try and dig themselves out after how wrong they are about the ACA. Hilarious.
Anonymous "Medical IRA's would have been more effective in reaching the goal of everyone being required to have health insurance."
No. Medical IRAs (in combination with high-deductable insurance) work well for one group of people: healthy middle-to-upper-middle class people without children.
"One of President Obama’s most ardent liberal supporters has defected from ObamaCare. Rep. Jared Polis, D-Boulder, told a Colorado health policy think tank…"
Marguerite Salazar, Colorado's insurance commissioner, said insurance companies are allowed to use geography as one of the pricing factors under the ACA. Historically, she said, health care has always been higher in the mountain towns, partially because of frequency of health system use. It's just more transparent now.
"Polis also wrote to Colorado’s insurance commissioner asking why an average 40-year-old mountaintop resident would have to fork over $427.80 a month while counterparts in Denver would pay $296.41 for the same plan."
"Polis also wrote asking why it's cheaper to provide healthcare where lots of hospitals, clinics and doctors are."*
* Also, lack of competition in small market areas (a fault that existed before the ACA).
Senate majority leader Harry Reid says that "Everybody" is "willing to pay more" taxes. He said so in an interview with a Nevada Public Radio host.
“The only people who feel there shouldn’t be more coming in to the federal government from the rich people are the Republicans in the Congress,” Reid told the radio host, according to Roll Call. “Everybody else, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more.”
Sure the 47% of Americans who owe nothing to the IRS each April, they want to pay more income taxes. Give them some"skin int he game". Unhuh, sure.
Mozart1220
And when is that going to start?
A year from now?
Chuckie, in his deep seated resentment towards fellow Americans, ignores the fact that many of the 47% of Americans who owe nothing to the IRS each April STILL PAY TAXES. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and they pay a higher share of their earnings towards safety nets than the rich do.
Many have also contributed their share over their lifetimes and are retired. They have "skin in the game". Chuckie just wants a reason to hate and resent them for not being wealthy...or maybe just for being unlike him in appearance.
Maybe that's the reason their "skin" is so important to Chuckie?
And yes, most Americans wanted the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire. Most Americans also don't want the Tea Party to rule America, either. Just the facts.
First example of the ACA Tax causing unemployment
Very good, Dave. That's what these chuckleheads don't understand: EVERYBODY pays taxes. The six-year-old girl who skips down to the local candy store to buy an Almond Joy bar - SHE pays taxes. They just don't get it.
Ananymous, you have been ass deep in it for a long time now. You just can't see it through the bubble.
Anonymous, how much are the Koch bros paying you to carry their water for them?
Hey John, I see we have a common way of thinking, not being foolishly partisan. That is pretty rare nowadays as far as I can see. I hope to see your name here more often.
Tom,
Tell that to Harry Reid,""Everybody" is "willing to pay more" taxes" The 47% of Americans who OWE NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX, according to HARRY are willing to pay more.
Wanna bet?
Sounds about time the FEDERAL tax burden got spread around to all Americans. That's what Harry's saying.
What is it about Mozart and the rectums of other people? Is he anal retentive or something?
Mozart, Tom and Dave, be sure to send in your $3.00. Those rascally Koch Brothers are going to ATTACK!!
Run away.
BREAKING: Koch Brothers front group launches ad blitz attacking Democrats over Obamacare
We just got word: the Koch brothers are pouring money into four key states attacking President Obama and House Democrats.
Their strategy is simple: deceive voters about Obamacare and drive down Democrats’ poll numbers.
Drew — we can’t lose these critical seats because we didn’t have the resources to fight back. Right now, we’re looking at a $450,456 hole in our Obamacare Rapid Response Fund.
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DCCC Rapid Response
Do you guys believe every thing the DCCC Rapid Response team tells you?
Rasmussen reports that more than half of U.S. voters polled want to delay the requirement that everyone must purchase health insurance.
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on October 22-23, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.
While they claim that support for a delay is "down," it should be noted that that's in the face of the administration's full court press for Obamacare. With new problems emerging almost daily and many now pointing out ObamaCare's negative impact on health insurance costs - driving it up, not down as promised - the fight over ObamaCare is most likely far from over.
As technical failures bedevil the rollout of President Obama’s health care law, evidence is emerging that one of the program’s loftiest goals — to encourage competition among insurers in an effort to keep costs low — is falling short for many rural Americans.
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
(CNSNews.com) - Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau.
There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.
That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.
The Census Bureau counted as recipients of means-tested government programs “anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits from the program.” Many of these people lived in households receiving more than one form of means-tested benefit at the same time.
Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient in the fourth quarter of 2011 were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Also among the 108,592,000 means-tested benefit recipients counted by the Census Bureau were people getting free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, state-administered supplemental security income and means-tested veterans pensions.
The 108,592,000 people who were recipients of means-tested government programs in the fourth quarter of 2011 does not include people who received benefits from non-means-tested government programs but not from means-tested ones. That would include, for example, people who received Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, or non-means-tested veterans compensation, but did not receive benefits from a means-tested program such as food stamps or public housing.
Can the House be controlled by Republicans even though over a million more Americans voted for Democratic representation?
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
Can we have one major party totally in the pockets of wealthy interests?
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
So can we have the other major party largely in the pockets of wealthy interests?
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
Can we have one party actively working to suppress democracy?
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
Can we have a Black guy to blame for everything bad?
YES WE CAN!!
YES WE HAVE!
Straw Man alert.
Thank you, Aasif Mandvi of the Daily Show. Your interview of Buncombe County North Carolina GOP precinct chair Don Yelton was fascinating.
“Well, I been called a bigot before,” admitted the persecuted Don ”Not a Racist” Yelton
For some nuance Don informs us, “I had a picture one time of Obama sittin’ on a stump as a witch doctor and I posted it on facebook.”
Hmm. Nothing racist there, unless it’s done by a liberal, of course. So maybe those “not racist” Obama witch doctor pictures at Tea Party rallies were not all planted by liberals after all.
Whodathunk? Just don't forget Rush tells us, "You know, racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left."
Don clarifies a crucial point for us: “Now you have a black person using the term, ‘Nigger this and nigger that,’ and it's OK for them to do it.”
You tell ‘em Don. Never mind Mandvi reminds you, “You do know we can hear you?” Don pays no attention to this strange remark.
Now about those voter restrictions..er, I mean voter ID laws, we’re seeing the GOP frantically enacting.
“The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt. If it hurts a bunch of college kids [that are] too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it...if it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it.”
So there it is, straight from the Southern Republican conservative’s mouth. So be it, all you “lazy blacks” that want the government to give you everything. Take that.
And just for the record, let’s be fair and balanced, shall we, Don?
“As a mater of fact, one of my best friends is...black.”
Well, then. What better proof can we have Don is not a racist?
So why was this innocent “not racist” ever called a bigot? I just don’t get it. Must be those damn liberal lies.
There’s no justice for Southern ‘not racist” white guys, is there, Don?
Now for some racist liberal reasons, Don is now FORMER Buncombe County North Carolina GOP precinct chair.
Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Friday urged potential healthcare consumers to disregard ObamaCare website horror stories and partisan bickering over the law.
Speaking at a panel in San Antonio, Texas, Sebelius was asked what advice she would give to those seeking federal healthcare plans.
“Sign up,” she said. “Don’t believe what you’ve heard. Just check it out, look at the prices, look at the plans."
Hear that Mozart? How has signing up gone for you so far? Been able to figure out what plan is best for you and your spouse?
A 14-year-old boy was with his Massachusetts math teacher for up to an hour after school before he allegedly killed her — and changed his blood-stained clothes before going to a movie and buying a Wendy’s meal with her credit card, according to local reports.
Philip Chism stayed behind when his Algebra 1 class was dismissed for the day after the Danvers High School teacher, Colleen Ritzer, asked him for time to prepare for a test on Tuesday, his classmates told the Boston Globe.
Ritzer, 24 — whose body was found early Wednesday dumped in the woods behind the school — asked the tall, lanky teen to stay after the bell when she caught him drawing during class, one student told the newspaper.
What, more black on white crime "reporting"?
Why no "son of Chuckie" crime? After all they're the big ones, Columbine, Aurora, and Sandyhook.
Somebody must hate blacks, right "not racist" Chuckie?
Heard today that for the first time mo people are on Welfare than working!
Thank you Obama for my free foodstamps, medicaid, housing assistance, and especially my free Obama phone!
Obama be the man!
YES WE CAN MOTHA FUCKAS!
YES WE CAN!
Well well, if it isn't Tyrone "Chuckie" Witherspoons. I see he's no longer complaining about the "Democrat plantation" these days.
LOL!!
LOL Dave Dubya on your 11:55 youtube post "Obamacare Network Anchors Roast Obamacare"
LOL Dave Dubya LOL!
u b on break in da prison library surfin on da taxpayers dime?
Anaonymous, it just isn't that big of a deal at this point. Been raking leaves and setting up for Halloween.
I'm sure that you had your mexican gardeners do al that for you while waiting for the checks from the Koch Bros to arrive.
Do a web search for "KKK Congressman" and, lo and behold, guess who comes up?
Sen Robert Byrd, D WV. Exalted Cyclops of the KKK. Lifelong Democrat.
Mozart,
Speaking of Halloween, did you see Chuckie's new fake "Dave Dubya" costume?
I think he really is so stupid as to think he's fooling people. He just can't fake the Google "G" can he?
Maybe he's trying to make me mad. LOL!
It's hilarious. The poor wretch is desperate. He can't win a debate, try as he may. And he tries anything... but honesty. LOL!
We see Chuckie wants to remind us of Byrd, who recanted his KKK affiliation.
Chuckie's hero Jesse Helms, on the other hand, famously sang "Dixie" in the elevator with Carol Mosley Braun, the first black woman senator.
He said he wanted to sing Dixie until he made her cry.
Now there's your kind of Southern gentleman, right, Chuckie?
Mozart,
I'm smoking some really good weed like most progressives do and am dreaming of the progressive utopia where we are all equally poor like in Cuba!
My fingers are sore from trying to get online to sign up for ObamaCare, and I keep getting "System Down, Please log on later".
Its about time we had national healthcare like the NAZIs had in Germany!
Perhaps the most amazing thing about Obamacare is what it reveals about Obama himself:
1. He didn't seem to care about or be involved in the actual planning, building, and execution of his own signature piece of legislation--as if, once it was signed into law, his job was done.
2. He seems unable to accept responsibility for anything, as in his news conference the other day, when instead of accepting the blame, he says, "No one's madder than me," as if it weren't his fault but he was the victim, and then orchestrates the "fainting woman" gag as if to underscore his fatherly presence.
Having a functional website won't help the guts of ObamaCare's model, which requires large numbers of healthy people to buy into the insurance.
They won't when they can't and they won't when they can. They will opt for the penalty. This will cause a spiraling financial death spiral for ObamaCare.
CBS is reporting the vast majority of those currently signing up are Medicaid patients.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57609254/me...
Unsustainable - badly planned - badly implemented - entirely Democrat liberalism to the core.
I think the reality here is that this adminstration cannot fix anything. When a lightbulb goes out in the lighthouse they call the AFL CIO to bring in ten guys with screwdrivers.
just sayin.
hey anon at 10:33PM
Oh, it's ten guys all right... but only one guy will have a screw driver. Then one guy out of the other nine will figure out that he needs a light bulb and not a screw driver. They'll do an environmental impact study and after a few permits, they'll okay the light bulb replacement, but first they need to get a variance so that the guy with the lightbulb can walk up the steps of the lighthouse and place the bulb in the socket. But because he's not in the Lightbulb Turning Union, he will have to wait for the other guy (who's on break) to actually turn the light bulb into the socket. And because the bad lightbulb is one of those swirly mercury filled lightbulbs, it will have to be disposed of properly... which will involve ten other guys.
First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.
Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the NO-BID contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.
Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.
This is the kind of crap that should give Occupy Wall Street pause to rethink who the real enemy is.
I made a little audio file about Health Care and what needs to be done. Start with the right principle: EVERYONE gets the same health care plan.
Here's the link to my audio rant: https://archive.org/details/Healthcare_201310
Anonymous, the website was done by a Canadian company, but if you are upset about "no bid contracts" can we discuss Haliburton (Dick Cheney) and the BILLIONS they made off with from the Iraq war?
Your hypocrite gland is squirting.
Mozart,
finished raking your yard? How about an update on signing up for the ACA Tax is going for you? Can you say 404?
BTW, here's a place that could use some of your cash savings you are going to get once you sign up for the ACA Tax.
Question? Name the companies that could do what Haliburton did that should have gotten a bid? On the other hand, must be more than one firm that could have created the AC Tax website, as they are being hired NOW to fix up the mess MS. Obama's friend from Princeton created for us.
Ever wonder why if the ACA TAX so wonderful, why it's enrollment had to be mandated?
Name the companies that could do what Haliburton did that should have gotten a bid?
How about instead we name the cronies that started an unprovoked war of aggression for Haliburton's profit?
Whatever happened to competition and the so-called "Free market"?
Corporatist cronyism and a militarist empire decided otherwise.
"First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.
Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the NO-BID contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company."
This smells like NAZI crony capitalism to a progressive like me.
It is almost as bad as all the "green energy" companies that gave campaign contributions to Obama and got large amounts of money from the taxpayers through the Obama Administration only to waste it and go belly up.
This really smells.
Hey "enquiring minds" (meaning anonymous)
Have you actually TRIED logging on? Bet you haven't. Here's betting you just let Limbaugh tell you what to say. AS for Haliburton, what exactly did they do that NO OTHER COMPANY could have done? (other than get their CEO installed as VPOTUS) Had the government at the time OFFERED contracts up for bid, maybe there would have been several who could have done the job. They certainly couldn't have done worse.
Worried about "large amounts of money from the taxpayers through the Obama Administration only to waste it and go belly up"?
Would those "large amounts" be like the trillions for the wars and Halliburton?
Every HOUR, taxpayers in the United States are paying $11.26 million for total cost of Wars Since 2001.
But that's ok, right sport?
Anonymous "Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the NO-BID contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov."
Well, the first bit and the second bit are probably right, but "no bid" and the budget are both wrong.*
Kudos, though on hitting 50%.
* {cite}
I forgot to mention the longest war, the "War On Poverty" that began with LBJ.
One of my heros, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. warned that the welfare state "must not become a narcotic and a subtle destroyer of the spirit".
And another liberal, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, pointed out that in 1964, around 75% of black children under age six were living in a married-couple family. By 1990, that number had dropped to 37.4%. Today, the rate of unwed motherhood in the black community is almost three times as high as the rate among whites - 68% to 26%. And remember, this is all happening at the same time that social programs are being greatly expanded, as well as tracking with the massive increase in unemployment in the African American community.
So we must not forget our longest war that is not over, the War on Poverty.
Chuckie really has a thing for me. Not that there's anything wrong with that.;-) He just loves putting on his fake "Dave Dubya" costume.
"War On Poverty"
Here we go again with Chuckie's obsession with the war on poverty. He has asserted that this was intended to eliminate poverty. As we noted it is to ameliorate the effects of poverty. And it has succeeded in that goal.
Corporate written trade agreements and off-shoring American jobs only necessitate such programs.
He is obviously happy with the $11.26 million cost PER HOUR for the wars of choice. He also has no problem with the drug war either.
So why is he upset by other, much less costly programs? Ah, the Black man in the White House and his fellow Black Americans are the problem.
OK, Chuckie, we get it. You really are a racist. Proud of too, I'm sure.
Poor Chuckie, he can't even post under his former carefully stolen identity. Keep on with the dishonesty, sport. We expect nothing more from you.
Straw Man Alert. Bring up Haliburton which has nothing to do with the current ACA Tax website failure. Bringing up Iraq War which has nothing to do with current ACA Tax website failure.
Another attempt at liberal moral relativism used to deflect for current policy failure of current Administration. Seen it before, no longer works.
Since topic is the ACA Tax, still need to know why if it so great we are mandated to sign up for it?
washingtonexaminer.com/article
/2537194#.UlvHPWwQRGk.twitter
CGI Federal Inc., the mastermind behind healthcare.gov, is assisting the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) in the distribution of $1.7 billion in relief for Hurricane Sandy.
In a memo obtained by FreedomWorks titled, “Minutes of the 295th meeting of the members of the Housing Trust Fund Corporation held on May 9, 2013, at 8:30 a.m.,” CGI Federal is tasked with implementing the Disaster Housing Assistance Program. Additionally, they are asked to aid in the implementation of the Community Development Block Grant.
No Mozart I haven wasted my time and tried to log on to the ACA Tax website. Too busy listening Rush going to my local Tea Party Meetings, planning my next Congressman Grayson type cross burning and generally thinking about how racist I must be since I disagree with what President Obama is doing to my country. ;)
Really cant blame Obama about anything because he has admitted to being lazy, and has proved that to be true.
He didn't know anything about Benghazi.
He didn't know anything about the IRS targeting his opponents organizations.
He didn't know anything about the NSA spying on you and me.
He didn't know anything about the ACA Tax website problems before it was launched.
Just what he does know about would be the question he might want to answer.
"Straw Man Alert." From Anonymous Chuckie/Tyrone/Harry/and fake "Dave Dubya"??
LOL!!
LOL on what a joke Obama and ObamaCare is. Our "Government" is a fucking joke.
The people have had enough of Jimmy Carter the 2nd. All the Democratic Senators are crapping their pants about reelection and what ObamaCare delayed, LOL on that.
I agree with you Dave Dubya on Daniel Patrick Moynihan being a racist for saying the facts about Black babies born out of wedlock. He must have been in the KKK with Senator Byrd.
Commie card alert. ;-)
Chuckies really bringing out his "gang" isn't he?
Really cant blame Obama about anything because he has admitted to being lazy, and has proved that to be true.
He didn't know anything about Benghazi.
He didn't know anything about the IRS targeting his opponents organizations.
He didn't know anything about the NSA spying on you and me.
He didn't know anything about the ACA Tax website problems before it was launched.
Just what he does know about would be the question he might want to answer.
Yeah, according to Anonymous, anything HIS heroes did is off limits because it's the PAST (except for Jimmy Carter of course)
Why don't you get some info about the ACA from OTHER than Fox and Rush Limbaugh. Then look up how many BIG things were perfect from the start. For everything that works, there was a period of time when it didn't. That's how it is. The ACA works in states that set up their own websites for it ahead of time. Go figure. THe Government's website got MANY TIMES more people than even they were expecting. IT'S CALLED A SUCCESS. Fox News LIED. AMERICANS WANT THIS PLAN. Actually more than 80% wanted a "public option" but the GOP threatened a fillibuster until that part was removed. So much for serving the people.
Dave, you and I are two peas in a pod. Corporations are not people! Unions are people!
Do you still go to Tea Party rallies wearing that T-shirt that says Rush for President, Glen for Vice President and carry that poster with Obama having a bone in his nose?
"THe Government's website got MANY TIMES more people than even they were expecting." And you believe that?
This website, its from the same Administration who promised we could keep our Doc or insurance if we wanted to! And you believe them?
Who told us the murder of four Americans was caused by the trailer of a video! And you believe them?
Who promised they would move heaven and earth to bring to justice the murderers of four Americans! And you believe them?
Who promised us unemployment would be under 8% by the end of Obama's first term! And you believe them?
Who told us the IRS was not doing anything wrong! And you believe them?
Who told us that our privacy was not being violated by the NSA! And you believe them?
Who told us there were 57 States! And you believe them?
Based on Obama's past record for not knowing anything, what makes you think HIS administration has a clue on how many people have gotten to the ACA Tax website?
Maybe you should start thinking about changing your news sources.
"My health care plan will ensure that insurance companies can't discriminate against those who are sick and need care most. If you have health insurance, the only thing that will change under my plan is the amount you pay in premiums. That will be less. And if you don't have health insurance, you'll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that Members of Congress get for themselves."
Senator Barack Obama
October 8, 2008
BaCrock Obama said it, so it must be true!!
Mary Landrieu won't get elected dog catcher in Louisiana, with Obamacare hanging around her neck. .....She's in full blown panic mode.
The spineless bitch will now flip flop on ObamaCare and vote to pass the "I'm scared shitless act" (delay the individual mandate).
"Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime."
Give a man a fish, throw in a free cell phone, a food stamp card and a pack of condoms and he'll vote democratic 3 or 4 times in every election.
Give a man a fish, throw in a free cell phone, a food stamp card and a pack of condoms and he'll vote democratic 3 or 4 times in every election.
Sounds just like fellow Caroliner Don ”Not a Racist” Yelton, FORMER Buncombe County North Carolina GOP precinct chair.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-sticker-shock-20131027,0,2756077.story#axzz2iupB65YY
"Pam Kehaly, president of Anthem Blue Cross in California, said she received a recent letter from a young woman complaining about a 50% rate hike related to the healthcare law."
"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said."
There you go folks. This is a TYPICAL of how liberal voters think !! I LOVE IT !!!
I am glad that she is going to SUFFER the CONSEQUENCES of her voting habits !!!
Take your medicine BIT*C*H !!!
Now the supporters of the left have their people all reved up BLAMING the GOP/Tea Party.
Whose law was this ??? Its by the Koch Brothers Heritage Foundation!!!
LOL!!!
This is a TYPICAL of how liberal voters think !
No, it is not, but the reaction is typical Right Wing hate.
I am glad that she is going to SUFFER...Take your medicine BIT*C*H !!!
More “compassionate” con-servatism at its finest.
What I find amusing is that the low priced policies that people had chosen before Obamacare are now labeled as "bad insurance" like someone put a gun to our head to force us to take the "bad insurance".
Those of us that had low priced insurance knew exactly what we were buying and made those trade -offs. Now the government is telling us we had "bad insurance" and by the way your new "good insurance" will cost 2 - 3 times as much but that's ok because it's good insurance.
Thanks, Mr. President for taking away my choices and really putting a gun to my head to pay lots more for something that doesn't give me more but now I get to subsidize a bunch of people that I really don't want to subsidize.
That's ok, now I will make a choice to stop working and then you can subsidize me.
On September 9, 2009, Joe Wilson, Congressman from South Carolina, shouted "You lie!" when President Obama was touting the benefits of his Affordable Care Act, now dubbed "Obamacare."
1. Both Eric Holder and Barack Obama stated that "Fast and Furious was a program begun in the Bush Administration". That was a lie. The Bush Administration had, in fact, shut down any efforts to track illegal shipments of guns to Mexico because it was a dangerous and untenable undertaking.
2. Hillary Clinton, Susan Wright and Barack Obama all stated that the attack in Benghazi was caused by Islamist spontaneous reaction to an anti-Islamist video produced in the United States. We know now - and they knew then - that the attack in Benghazi was a well planned effort by well armed Islamic extremists with connections to Al Qaeda.
3. The President assured us that "..... the IRS targeting of conservative groups like the Tea Party..." was an isolated instance of rogue IRS employees in the Cincinnati office. We now know that the senior levels of the Administration (e.g., the Treasury Department General Counsel, the Deputy Secretary of the Department of the Treasury, and the Office of the White House Counsel) were acutely aware of these plans to target these conservative groups and were worried about these
4. The President and the National Director of Intelligence reassured the American people time and time again that the phone calls and emails of Americans were not being monitored and recorded as part of our intelligence programs. We know that to be false and, further, we now know that our electronic spying is international in scope and technologically sophisticated.
5. "If you like your current insurance plan, you can keep it. Period."
6. "If you like your current doctor, you can keep that doctor."
7. "Your premiums will go down an average of $2500 per year."
8. "The cost of this national healthcare program will be less than $1 trillion."
9. "Obamacare would not cover illegal aliens."
10. "Obamacare would not cover abortions."
Guess what, Congressman Wilson was right!
"I am glad that she is going to SUFFER...Take your medicine BIT*C*H !!!
More “compassionate” con-servatism at its finest."
Way to spin it, like people want her to be water boarded ASSHOLE.
SUFFER as in having to make a spending choice. Like maybe cancel her $75 a month iPhone bill that allows her to get instant tweets from the Ocuppy Bowel Movement. But if she could keep her iPhone and dump her insurance cost on someone else's back, like she though with oVomitCare, she would.
Thats SUFFERING in the Utopian Liberal Land of unicorns and rainbows.
"If you like your doctor you can keep him. If you like your health insurance you can keep it."
Hitler's "Big Lie Theory" in practice.
I love being called asshole from jerks who I call out for their ignorance and hate. The word bounces back to them so neatly.
Richard Kline,
You lie! And you parrot.
Congressman Wilson was right!
No, he was both rude and wrong.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/joe-wilson/joe-wilson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/
Wingnuts are understandably livid over two dead federal officers from “fast and furious”, but they don’t seem to be upset by Columbine, Aurora, and Sandy Hook. Wonder why....
Yes, the Bush Administration had its own type of fast and furious type gun walking, proving again that the worst things Obama has done is continuing Bush policies.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/sep/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/ program
Another similar program, called Operation Wide Receiver, did happen during the Bush administration, and a recent inspector general’s report criticized both operations as ineffective and seriously flawed.
Anyone not in the Right Wing bubble knows the IRS also examined liberal groups. One side is being the crybabies. Guess which.
The NSA lied under Bush too. In fact Bush treasonously lied us into war and thousands died. Got WMD”s? Show us the “biological labs” “nukular” aluminum tubes and Saddam’s ties to al-Qaeda. Lots of lies. Deadly lies. Costly lies. Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying $824,328 for Cost of War in Iraq Since 2003.
We could go down the list, but the story would be the same. No reason to address all the regurgitated Right Wing claptrap after the blatant dishonesty is revealed.
"No, he was both rude and wrong."
Your talking about Congressman Grayson, right?
And because if, as you claim, Bush did it, that makes it ok if Obama does it?
Straw Man Alert!
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Idiot alert!
And because if, as you claim, Bush did it, that makes it ok if Obama does it?
You call that reading comprehension?
Dave Dubya:
"In fact Bush treasonously lied us into war and thousands died. Got WMD”s?"
So Dave, Bush lied us into war just like the entire Clinton administration?
I look forward to your response Dave to the question but which will most likely focus on Rush, Glen, and/or someone carrying a poster of Obama with a bone in his nose to a Tea Party rally.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
Harry Chuckie,
No, not "just like the entire Clinton administration". The difference, the HUGE difference, is Bush both lied, and LED, us into war. Bush started the war. He alone gave the orders. Do you need help in seeing the difference between being wrong and going to war over being wrong?
Also unlike the Clinton Administration, Budh rejected and ignored all evidence and opinion contrary to his propaganda that he admitted to "catapulting".
That is not "just like" anything except fascist dictatorships. Toss in the Patriot Act and FISA and torture and that puts him much closer to fascism than any healthcare system.
Well, not for you bubble people.
Dizzy with success, Obama renames his wildly popular healthcare mandate to HillaryCare.
Carney: huge ObamaCare deductibles won't look as bad come hyperinflation.
Poll: 83% of Americans favor cowboy diplomacy over rodeo clown diplomacy.
GOVERNMENT WARNING: If you were able to complete ObamaCare form online, it wasn't a legitimate gov't website; you should report online fraud and change all your passwords.
Obama administration gets serious, threatens Syria with ObamaCare.
- See more at: http://thepeoplescube.com
638 million on a no-bid contract to Michelle O's college roommate's company. I saw an interview with a software company CEO regarding the problems with the website. When asked what it would cost for his company to create the program he said "I would be embarrassed if it cost $1 million." Of course, for that $1 million we would have gotten a website/program that actually worked. Obama said, in the true spirit of Chicago politics "We punish our enemies and reward our friends."
I don't know what's worse with this administration, the utter incompetence or the endless corruption.
Chuckie,
YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!
Oh, yeah? Then why can't you BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT?
And this is coming from someone who refuses to answer questions.
LOL!
Keep up with your classy arguments...please.
Harry,
Don't let Dave get you twisted onto his rabbit trail of blaming Bush. All it does is take the focus off the utter failure of the Obama Administration, and their many, many lies. And right now, the liberals will do just about anything to take the focus off of Barrack H. Obama.
Any sane person would find hard to believe that Bush who followed Clinton, and inherited the intelligence that the Clinton Administration had left for him, could be found at fault in thinking what was left him was the truth. After it was left there by a Democrat President, and they never lie. After all the intelligence was gather for 8 years, and Bush had been in office less than 8 months when the 9/11 attacks took place. Attacks that liberal's like Michael Moore said we caused, inferring it was Bush fault.
A better response to the rabbit trail that Dave attempts to get you to follow him into, is to ask what will be Obama's foreign policy legacy when he leaves office?
Is American no longer hated as was claimed that we were under Bush?
Have there been any terrorists attacks in American since Obama was sworn in?
Are we safer now than we were under Bush?
Is America respected more now than under Bush?
These were promises Obama made when on his campaign trail in 2008.
And just like ones already posted here, they have not been kept.
Like Joe Wilson bravely and correctly said, Obama lies.
Obama is the focus, as he is the President and it is his policy's and total lack of meaningful leadership that is negatively effecting us daily.
Anonymous should start a business. "Professional excuses, while you wait". Bush had not only the securrity memoes, but intel from his own people about 9-11, WHICH HE IGNORED. Then, as we were under attack, he sat doing nothing for 7 minuets, just staring into space. Why was the Commander in Chief sitting idle? Becuse he "didn't want to scre the children". Right.
STRAW MAN ALERT.
Mozart, your claim that "THe Government's website got MANY TIMES more people than even they were expecting. IT'S CALLED A SUCCESS"
needs to be addressed.
The Democrat Governor of Kentucky has been singing the praises of his Obamacare exchange and how successful it has been. But this morning on Meet The Press he admits that out fo 26,000 sign-ups, 21,000 of them went straight to Medicaid. He goes on to say they have 10k more that are GOING to sign up for health care plans, but that’s not set in stone yet. Also, how many more will have signed up for Medicaid by that point?
therightscoop.com/kentucky-governor-admits-that-huge-success-of-obamacare-has-mostly-been-medicaid-signups/
Anonymous "Mozart, your claim that 'THe Government's website got MANY TIMES more people than even they were expecting. IT'S CALLED A SUCCESS' needs to be addressed."
1. Large number of visitors.
2. Small number who've bought insurance so far.
Most people visit at the beginning, multiple times, but as in Massachusetts, buy at the very end.
From this it follows that they should have built the site with high-traffic, low bounce time, anonymous visitation in mind for the start, with high capacity, secure sign-in the priority for the end. From what I can gather, even with the the lessons learned from insurance in general and Mass in particular, they didn't, instead building not enough capacity into a sign-in only site at the beginning with anonymous visitation planned but not implemented.*
* See? That's what a good faith post critical of the ACA looks like.
Sue Klinkhamer has a problem.
It’s called Obamacare.
And the irony of her situation is not lost on her. In a recent email addressed to her former boss, Illinois Congressman Bill Foster, and other Democratic colleagues, she wrote:
“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”
For Klinkhamer, 60, President Obama’s oft-repeated words ring in her ears: “If you like your health plan, you will keep it.”
When Klinkhamer lost her congressional job, she had to buy an individual policy on the open market.
Three years ago, it was $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Each year it went up a little to, as of Sept. 1, $291 with a $3,500 deductible. Then, a few weeks ago, she got a letter.
“Blue Cross,” she said, “stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible.”
She went on, “Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. … Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?”
The sticker shock Klinkhamer is experiencing is something millions of individual policyholders are reeling from having gotten similar letters from their private insurers.
The mother fucker lied to us and you SOB's are still carrying his water.
SICK.
NBC Fucking News, NOT FOX NEWS OR LIMBAUGH, but NBC
"Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance!
President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.
Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”
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None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.
Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."
Mozart, Dave, and the rest of you shit for brain liberals, now what have you got to say? Blame Bush, Limbaugh, TEA PARTY, SENATOR CRUZ? All they did was tell you that he was not telling the truth and you call them Nazis for that? Idiots, morons, every simply minded, lazy ass one of you!
Mozart, Dave, and the rest of you shit for brain liberals, now what have you got to say?
My, Chuckie's in quite a lather again, isn't he? The anger. The hate. The ever fuming resentments. How does he enjoy life with all that rage?
Big time freak out. A huge fit of fury over corporatized healthcare.
Intolerable!
But not a peep about the Patriot Act, NSA, the warrentless surveillance, out of control war on terror, the war on drugs...etc.
Nope. These issues are insignificant, because in their brains we have the intolerable, freedom crushing, totalitarian healthcare system, with the Black guy's name attached to it.
"Freak Out!! Healthcare is tyranny! Liberals are evil! Liberals are out to destroy America!! Freak out! NOW!!"
Never mind it's not a liberal health care system. Nope. BIG STRAW MAN ALERT.
It's NOT a liberal healthcare plan. Honest.
They can't swallow that simple fact.
Our cheaper, saner, and more compassionate plan was NEVER on the table. The same table where insurance companies and their politicians sat to decide our healthcare.
But nobody listened to liberals, did they?
Nope. Nobody.
So who do they blame?
Why, liberals, of course.
They are indoctrinated to believe everything bad is the fault of those "Marxist" liberals.
So they go ahead and blame liberals for everything, they become angry, resentful, and furious. It's simply what all the frightened little cult sheeple are told to do.
They're told who to blame, who to hate, and which political party to vote for. They are fanatics in following the propaganda of an extremist anti-democracy ideology.
We sure can't ask them for their idea of a cheaper, saner and more compassionate healthcare system. We might as well ask them to help register more Black voters. Won't happen.
They don't want to discuss it.
Why?
Because all they're told to do is hate the "commie" Black guy and liberals.
There can be no reasoning with such angry frightened fools.
Chuckie has been, unwittingly, on a mission to prove this reality.
Thanks, Chuckie.
Oh, I forgot. Getting lied to doesn't upset liberals since they do it all the time to everyone else.
Getting lied to doesn't upset liberals since they do it all the time
''Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used in centrifuges to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.''
“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological labs.” - GWB
The tubes were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, explained on CNN on Sept. 8, 2002. "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
"He is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time," Mr. Cheney asserted on CNN.
"VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: And what we've seen recently that has raised our level of concern to the current state of unrest, if you will, if I can put it in those terms, is that he now is trying, through his illicit procurement network, to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium to make the bombs.
QUESTION: Aluminum tubes.
VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Specifically aluminum tubes."
Source: Meet the Press, NBC (9/8/2002).
Oh I forgot, since somebody else lied then Obama can lie to us, after all two wrongs make a right, in the liberal mind.
Straw man alert!
You forgot these quotes.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
Straw man alert, indeed:
two wrongs make a right, in the liberal mind
Got proof or an example of this foolishness, Chuckie? I bet YOU are pro-capital punishment.
For the second time, try reading this:
No, not "just like the entire Clinton administration". The difference, the HUGE difference, is Bush both lied, and LED, us into war. Bush started the war. He alone gave the orders. Do you need help in seeing the difference between being wrong and going to war over being wrong?
One "wrong" was just wrong.
The other "wrong" was acted upon with fatal and costly consequences.
Does the con-servative mind understand the difference? Apparently not.
You also neglected proof or an example for this charge:
"YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!"
Is this all you can do, make groundless accusations?
Of course it is the childish way of your cult.
There can be no reasoning with such angry frightened fools.
You have been, unwittingly, on a mission to prove this reality.
Thanks, Chuckie.
You forgot these quotes.
If you want to keep your Dr, you can under my program. Period.
If you want to keep your health care, under my program you can. Period.
B.H.O. More lies than I care to remember.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
Joe Wilson was 100% correct, Obama lies.
House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer conceded to reporters today that Democrats knew people would not be able to keep their current health care plans under Obamacare and expressed qualified contrition for President Obama’s repeated vows to the contrary.
“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.
We wonder what Chuckie would have said if a a Black congressman shouted "you lie" when Bush lied about aluminum tubes in order to send Americans to their deaths.
Yeah, we all know how Chuckie would have reacted. Hate the Black guy, of course.
Obama lies, nobody dies.
Bush lied, thousands died.
Clearly this means we should hate the Black guy, right, Chuckie?
"Coincidence" alert!
Chuckie posted the exact same Wilson comment as "Anonymous" did above, at my blog.
Gee, "they" think exactly like each other.
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